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ccarrigan
02-07-2006, 08:06 PM
After reading the post about someone doing the "cutting" phase wrong, and all the related posts, I am trying to see if this can be done. Can you gain muscle AND lose fat weight? I searched and couldn't find it, so a link to a post would be just as good.

What I'm wondering more specifically is if I diet, lift HEAVY, and do a little cardio (once or twice a week), can I gain at least a little muscle while losing my super flab? (I'm 5'11", 225)

I've posted one of my fitday charts below. I know, too much fat, but it was the catfish (I didn't know there was so much fat in that fish!)

Total: 1730
Fat: 71 637 39%
Sat: 19 172 10%
Poly: 16 145 9%
Mono: 29 257 16%
Carbs: 138 453 28%
Fiber: 25 0 0%
Protein: 138 553 34%

Thanks for everyone's help. I'm working on upper chest specifically as I'm pretty happy with most of the rest, but obviously I'll continue to work my whole body.

Optimum08
02-07-2006, 08:10 PM
you CANNOT isolate upper, lower, middle chest...it is all one muscle...and 1730 cals is pretty low even for a cut and no you won't gain any muscle with 1730 cals...you will lose weight but muscle along with that...

Unreal
02-07-2006, 08:17 PM
And fat isn't too high. If anything its too low. Along with protein and cals being way lower then they should be. Can you do both? At first you can take advantage of newbie gains and gain strength while dropping fat, but afterwards it becomes extremely difficult and slow. Your better off concentrating on one then the other. You'll get to where you want to be faster then trying to do both at once.

ccarrigan
02-07-2006, 08:27 PM
you CANNOT isolate upper, lower, middle chest...it is all one muscle...and 1730 cals is pretty low even for a cut and no you won't gain any muscle with 1730 cals...you will lose weight but muscle along with that...

That's what I meant... just chest. I wasn't isolating any part, just haven't worked out my chest as much as other parts.

I'll post a quick daily list of meals:

Wheat bagel with eggs on it
Fish, salad, dirty rice
Cup of berries (rasp, blue, black)
Fruit smoothie from some healthfood place
Fish, salad
More cup of berries
Post workout shake

Maybe I can add more egg to my bagel? I just don't know where to eat more and I drive around all day so it's harder to have something premade. Any ideas? I really appreciate your help :nod:

ccarrigan
02-07-2006, 08:29 PM
And fat isn't too high. If anything its too low. Along with protein and cals being way lower then they should be. Can you do both? At first you can take advantage of newbie gains and gain strength while dropping fat, but afterwards it becomes extremely difficult and slow. Your better off concentrating on one then the other. You'll get to where you want to be faster then trying to do both at once.

So I should maybe bulk now since I'm fat and then cut? Or cut now to get skinnier (I've never been skinny, I'm not sure I have that body type or metabolism) and then once I'm skinnier bulk from there? Thanks so much!

Unreal
02-07-2006, 08:46 PM
Thats up to you. Get your diet/training on track first. You'll probably lose a ton of fat just from doing that. Once you get your diet/training setup properly then you can decide what you want to do.

TheGimp
02-08-2006, 06:32 AM
With a cyclical diet you can. It is also possible if you are a "newbie" and have just started lifting weights.

The fat content looks just fine in your original post but looks sorely lacking in the second.

ccarrigan
02-08-2006, 06:13 PM
Ok, here is today. Got my fats up but protien I just can't seem to come by on the road. I try with eggs in the morning and fish, but it's not enough. Thoughts? Again, I'm 5'11" and 225. I think I ate my maintenance level today.

Total: 2223
Fat: 96 862 39%
Sat: 22 195 9%
Poly: 20 177 8%
Mono: 29 257 12%
Carbs: 214 799 36%
Fiber: 15 0 0%
Protein: 133 531 24%

Graffikfx
02-09-2006, 01:40 AM
yes. Eat a can of tuna before you go to sleep,

but remember to brush your teeth too.

or cottage cheese

or low-fat yogurt.

lots of low fat protein out there.

tigo
02-09-2006, 02:59 AM
Ok, here is today. Got my fats up but protien I just can't seem to come by on the road. I try with eggs in the morning and fish, but it's not enough. Thoughts? Again, I'm 5'11" and 225. I think I ate my maintenance level today.

Total: 2223
Fat: 96 862 39%
Sat: 22 195 9%
Poly: 20 177 8%
Mono: 29 257 12%
Carbs: 214 799 36%
Fiber: 15 0 0%
Protein: 133 531 24%


i take it you don't eat meat?
try eating tuna and salmon.. a can of tuna has like 33g of protein in it

2250 calories is probably what you should eat for a CUT.
considering i'm 6'0 210 lb.. 2300 is what im eating for a cut, and my metabolism is pretty slow

eatit
02-09-2006, 09:11 AM
if you're fat cut. There has been some research showing that the lower your bodyfat % the better the ratio of muscle to fat gains are during a bulk.


Also: being cut is fun

ccarrigan
02-09-2006, 02:47 PM
i take it you don't eat meat?
try eating tuna and salmon.. a can of tuna has like 33g of protein in it

2250 calories is probably what you should eat for a CUT.
considering i'm 6'0 210 lb.. 2300 is what im eating for a cut, and my metabolism is pretty slow

I eat meat like it's going out of style! Tuna for lunch, catfish or salmon for dinner... dead baby chickens for breakfast! (lol eggs)

I'm trying to stick around 2200 calories but it's hard to get there with the right foods. I always end up at around 1700. -sigh-

Sidior
02-09-2006, 11:16 PM
if you're fat cut. There has been some research showing that the lower your bodyfat % the better the ratio of muscle to fat gains are during a bulk.


Also: being cut is fun

any chance you have a link to that research? sounds interesting...

eatit
02-10-2006, 01:15 AM
http://readthecore.com/200501/mcdonald-body-composition.htm

By some research i should have said: Lyle Macdonald said it, so it has to be true....

Sidior
02-10-2006, 09:48 PM
http://readthecore.com/200501/mcdonald-body-composition.htm

By some research i should have said: Lyle Macdonald said it, so it has to be true....

thanks bud

lol and I agree about the lyle comment

TheGimp
02-11-2006, 11:10 AM
There has been some research showing that the lower your bodyfat % the better the ratio of muscle to fat gains are during a bulk.

Lyle's conclusion in that article is that there is a "sweet spot" of around 10-12% bodyfat where the ratio of LBM to fat gained is most favourable. He makes the point that starting from a very low bodyfat % means the body is primed to put fat back on.