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Qea
01-11-2002, 06:36 PM
For those who've read the Natural Hormonal Enhancement book by Rob Faigin, its nutritional guidelines seem targeted for those people who want to lose fat and gain lean mass at the same time, which make up a large percentage of those fitness-minded folks out there

Question is, is it suitable for naturally very lean individuals who wish to bulk up?

Here's the thing:

to put on weight, u need ingested cals > expended cals

so to put the NHE into practice, u'd have to restrict carbs, and hence make up for the lost cals from protein and fat.

So is this method suitable for people like me, or should I stick to the traditional 50/30/20 kind of bulking diet?

very confused

:help:

Marcel
01-11-2002, 07:37 PM
More fat and besides you carb up every 3rd day and then every 4th. The book goes way into more detail then that so I suggest you buy it...you wont regret it. :cool:

MonStar1023
01-12-2002, 11:11 AM
Qea-
Whatsup bro? Yeah like Marcel said Rob goes into detail in the book. There is a Bodybuilders NHE Plan that specifically focuses on adding lean mass while staying lean rather than fat-loss. Definitely give the book a shot its well worth the $.

:cool::cool:

aeckhardt
01-12-2002, 01:15 PM
What is that website because I have the normal book, but I want to get the Bodybuilder's version.

Do you have that version Monstar?

HighlyFanatic
01-12-2002, 02:36 PM
dude i ordered it 3 weeks ago, got it 2 days ago......started reading, and im addicted to it....cant wait to finish it. I urge you to buy it; i posted on the board 3 weeks ago in my anticipation :D

MonStar1023
01-12-2002, 02:50 PM
aeckhardt-
Bro its in the book hehe. I dont rememmber what page its on though. Maybe Ill check in out in a little bit Im too busy right now though. Its just more fat in the low-carb days and more carbs in the carb-up. Not too much different. Same basic philosophies. It just says NHE Bodybuilding Plan or something like that.

HighlyFanatic-
Agreed. GREAT read. Great eating plan.. I have been following it and my bodyfat has been slowly dropping as my strength is increasing.

:cool::cool:

Avatar
01-12-2002, 03:01 PM
yes the bodybuilding version is in the book.. starts on page 131.

I suggest reading the book even if you don't think the diet will be for you. The book is a fountain of hormonal information and dietary knowledge.

Severed Ties
01-12-2002, 04:09 PM
I'm not I big fan of the diet, but the book was definetly worth the read.

ST

MonStar1023
01-12-2002, 04:35 PM
Severed Ties-
Your not a big fan of the diet? Why bro? In my opinion its basically optimizing your natural hormones.

:cool::cool:

Marcel
01-14-2002, 05:03 PM
Why don't you like the diet Severed Ties?

MonStar1023
01-14-2002, 06:53 PM
Marcel-
You keepin a journal of your NHE experience?

:cool::cool:

Marcel
01-14-2002, 07:51 PM
I'm keeping track of everything I eat and a training log yes.

Severed Ties
01-14-2002, 10:58 PM
Simply the book was excellent when it was written based on the research available. However newer research particularly in the last two years contradicts many of the premises of the diet.

For Bodybuildering application their are better ways to get lean and better ways to add mass.

ST

the doc
01-15-2002, 06:29 AM
please please tell us more ST! :)

the doc
01-15-2002, 06:30 AM
Originally posted by the doc
please please tell us more ST! :)

are you talking mainly about the BB diet or the fatloss diet?

Marcel
01-15-2002, 10:50 AM
Severed Ties - Could you please tell us more about the better ways of getting ripped or adding mass? Or where we could read this? I'm not trying to be a smart-alec either but if there are better ways then I wanna know.:)

Qea
01-15-2002, 08:49 PM
Thought i'd bump this up since I'm waiting for Severed Ties to give a little more insight into the better diet ways to add lean mass

;)

the doc
01-15-2002, 09:05 PM
i PMed him. :)

Severed Ties
01-16-2002, 12:49 AM
ok guys just wanted to let you know I'm working on my responce. I was trying to avoid writing a full article but even without going into serious depth it's hard to pull apart several aspect of an entire book in one post.

Most of my responce applies to low carb diets in general but I am aiming at the NHE plan which shares many of the same aspects of all reduced carb diets. So Hulk may want to make an article out of this, I don't know....it's already long enough, but I hope to have it up in a day or two.

WBB really does it all...forums...articles...and now suspense:D

ST

The_Chicken_Daddy
01-16-2002, 10:40 AM
yeah ST make it an article. That way if anyone ever needs to refer to it again they can just go to the homepage and not have to search the forums.

Marcel
01-16-2002, 10:42 AM
ST - sounds good and can't wait to read it.:cool:

Wizard
01-16-2002, 10:43 AM
I'm sure it's gonna be great :cool:

Qea
01-16-2002, 11:45 PM
hear hear

MonStar1023
01-17-2002, 05:45 AM
Severed Ties-
So what specifically is your article going to be on?

:cool::cool:

the doc
01-17-2002, 06:47 AM
patience my young monstar, patience. ;)

Avatar
01-17-2002, 09:16 AM
this feels just like x-mas again! :D

Marcel
01-17-2002, 10:55 AM
:nod:

MonStar1023
01-17-2002, 11:26 AM
NHE after a month I am down so far.. around 15 pounds I guess. I am assuming that majority of that wieght is water weight. But I feel leaner than I did a month ago! Hopefully in a couple months Ill be SHREDDED. I am just thinking 19 lbs. to go... 19 lbs. to go.

:cool::cool:

mesmall
01-23-2002, 10:37 AM
~taps foot on floor waiting for ST article~ :D

Marcel
01-23-2002, 10:50 AM
*waits patiently* :D

breeze
01-23-2002, 01:23 PM
*waits impatiently* :rolleyes:

Severed Ties
01-23-2002, 07:56 PM
Sorry guys it's been a crazy week, Since this turned into a real article I'm re-reading some of the NHE books main points. That and I had to reformat my laptop so I'm currently without a word processor, which is a real pain.

Some of the things you can look forward to reading about are the great benifits of carb reduction diets like NHE and CKD.

These benefits include

Insulin resistance-

Decreased Testosterone-

Decreased Recovery-

....oh wait these aren't beneifts

we'll also take a closer look at Cortisol, and my theory on it's implication in "muscle maturity"

I haven't forgotten about all of ya, I hope to have more time this week to work on it. But fear not, progress is being made.

ST

MonStar1023
01-23-2002, 08:31 PM
Severed Ties-
What are you talking about bro? Low-carb diets decrease testosterone?

:confused::confused:

I thought the higher amount of fat lead to increased hormone levels.

Maki Riddington
01-23-2002, 08:41 PM
There are both positives and negatives to this method. But I would like to see the evidence that shows how damaging this method really is.

MonStar1023
01-24-2002, 07:10 PM
bump