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Anthony
03-15-2006, 04:22 PM
http://mikesgym.org/gallery/video/Casey218hs(1)(1).wmv

If that is not impressive, I don't know what the hell is. WOW!!

deeder
03-15-2006, 04:25 PM
Pft... That's nothing...






















WOW!

Bohizzle
03-15-2006, 04:27 PM
that's real heavy lol, i don't have enough balls to get under 160lbs, let alone 480!! that's huge!

Andrew

getfit
03-15-2006, 04:42 PM
WOW! that's beyond impressive

khari
03-15-2006, 04:53 PM
He's a superheavy, right?

Maki Riddington
03-15-2006, 04:55 PM
Wow!

Anthony
03-15-2006, 04:56 PM
khari, I think he's in the 105kg class and ranked #1 in USA.

Sensei
03-15-2006, 05:35 PM
Very impressive!

bIgHwN86
03-15-2006, 05:54 PM
sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BigRic
03-15-2006, 06:30 PM
I can do 240 :)

Gutz981
03-15-2006, 06:57 PM
Insane.

ArchAngel777
03-15-2006, 07:23 PM
khari, I think he's in the 105kg class and ranked #1 in USA.

He is 105+ now. So, yes, he is a super heavy weight. Now that he has moved up a weight class, he needs to add another 40 or so kilos to be competitive in the world class.

Strongest American now that Hamman retired. The great thing about Casey is that he isn't yet in his prime. I believe he was born in '82 which means he has another 10 or so years to get up there.

Awesome lifter...

drew
03-15-2006, 07:26 PM
wow.

wow.

wow.

Sidior
03-15-2006, 07:29 PM
good lord

clawhammer_33
03-15-2006, 08:28 PM
That was awesome!!

I have a question- is the pause he took before putting it up legal?

I'm not very familiar with powerlifting rules.

khari
03-15-2006, 08:56 PM
That was awesome!!

I have a question- is the pause he took before putting it up legal?

I'm not very familiar with powerlifting rules.

It's weightlifting, not powerlifting. And you can rest as long as you want between the clean and the jerk.

MixmasterNash
03-15-2006, 09:15 PM
It's weightlifting, not powerlifting. And you can rest as long as you want between the clean and the jerk.

Heheh. "Rest." Right. :D

greathuskie
03-15-2006, 09:28 PM
hah, holding 480lbs on your chest while standing straight up is anything other then rest ;)

Hazerboy
03-15-2006, 09:28 PM
During the clean part of the lift it seems the lifters always drop REEALL far under the bar, to the point where it seems they're doing a front squat. Its this for technique purposes (they NEED to get that far under the bar to be able to lift that much weight!) or just for the lift to be legal? It just seems that when I power clean I don't nearly drop under the bar that much. Then again, I'm not lifting anywhere close to "heavy" weight.

khari
03-15-2006, 09:35 PM
During the clean part of the lift it seems the lifters always drop REEALL far under the bar, to the point where it seems they're doing a front squat. Its this for technique purposes (they NEED to get that far under the bar to be able to lift that much weight!) or just for the lift to be legal? It just seems that when I power clean I don't nearly drop under the bar that much. Then again, I'm not lifting anywhere close to "heavy" weight.

Yes, the reason they drop down into the full squat to catch the bar is because it's less distance they have to pull the weight. Back in the day they used to drop into a split (almost like a lunge, but deeper) to catch it. If you're doing powercleans, you shouldn't be dropping very low to catch the bar (anything caught above parallel is technically a power clean).

khari
03-15-2006, 09:38 PM
Heheh. "Rest." Right. :D

Heh. I hate the clean and jerk for that reason. I get lightheaded in between the two at maximum weight, and that's with pathetic weights.

MixmasterNash
03-15-2006, 10:07 PM
Yes, the reason they drop down into the full squat to catch the bar is because it's less distance they have to pull the weight. Back in the day they used to drop into a split (almost like a lunge, but deeper) to catch it. If you're doing powercleans, you shouldn't be dropping very low to catch the bar (anything caught above parallel is technically a power clean).

Check this out to see a split clean and split snatch:
http://maxfitusa.com/video/josh_rbvhs.wmv

khari
03-16-2006, 08:15 AM
Check this out to see a split clean and split snatch:
http://maxfitusa.com/video/josh_rbvhs.wmv

Have any insight as to why people still bother to even learn the split vs full squat clean/snatch? To me it makes no sense. There's one guy around here who still split snatches, but he's old enough that he probably grew up watching the pros do it.

Anthony
03-16-2006, 08:20 AM
Have any insight as to why people still bother to even learn the split vs full squat clean/snatch? To me it makes no sense. There's one guy around here who still split snatches, but he's old enough that he probably grew up watching the pros do it.

Josh explained that he uses a split stance because he lacks good shoulder flexibility. The split makes it easier for him to stabalize.

MixmasterNash
03-16-2006, 08:22 AM
From the lifter himself, Josh Everett:
" have poor shoulder flexibility and that made me very unstable in the bottom position. My max in OHS was only 100k. After being stuck at 92.5k in the sn for 14 months coach Burgener suggested I try the split. I hit 90 off of blocks the 1st day, 95 the next week, and now have a PR of 122.5 so it works for me.
In the split style you must lift the bar a few inches higher than you do in the squat style. this is why no internationally competitve lifters use it.
the split did not increase my clean just made me much more consistant at heavy wts. It also saves my legs for the jerk. My clean is so far ahead of my jerk that i do not need to get low to recieve it.
the split for wieghtlifters is only a good option in extreme situations and not for those interested in being world class. however for athletes and those just interested in fitness it's a great exercise. with some of the athletes i coach we will do sets of 3 on snatches where 1st rep is normal 2nd rep split right leg forward & the 3rd rep is a split with the left leg forward."

khari
03-16-2006, 08:29 AM
Ah, makes sense I guess. I think within the next week or so I'm going to give the split clean a shot, just for fun. Anyone here ever tried it?

ArchAngel777
03-16-2006, 08:38 AM
hah, holding 480lbs on your chest while standing straight up is anything other then rest ;)

It doesn't rest on the chest, it is racked on the shoulders. Much like racking it on your back for a squat. It is a rest. He would have been unable to complete the lift if he didn't take a moment to regain his composure.

Notice how slow he came out of the front squat? That took nearly all his leg strength to get out of the hole into a standing position. He needed to rest to have strength for the jerk part of it. Common for all the heavy weights to take a rest before the jerk, even the lighter weights as well.

ArchAngel777
03-16-2006, 08:41 AM
Ah, makes sense I guess. I think within the next week or so I'm going to give the split clean a shot, just for fun. Anyone here ever tried it?

Yes, it sucks in my opinion.

It isn't efficient... I understand that if flexability is an issue, then it is the best way to go, but if you are able to squat clean, stick with it. Wasted energy to do a split clean.

Are they fun? Not to me. Might be fun for you though...

BigRic
03-16-2006, 09:59 AM
I would call it a rest, I mean his legs are locked out. Think about the difference in the amount of weight you can clean and the amount of weight you can hold up on your front squat just standing stiff legged I'd bet it's more than 100 pounds.

khari
03-16-2006, 11:09 AM
I would call it a rest, I mean his legs are locked out. Think about the difference in the amount of weight you can clean and the amount of weight you can hold up on your front squat just standing stiff legged I'd bet it's more than 100 pounds.

Holding your max front squat triple on your shoulders for any length of time isn't easy. There's a reason very few people wait more than a second or two.

ArchAngel777
03-16-2006, 11:52 AM
Holding your max front squat triple on your shoulders for any length of time isn't easy. There's a reason very few people wait more than a second or two.

I've seen it done both ways at meets. It depends on the person. But standing with the weight is EASIER than squatting it... Do we agree? So, no one is saying it is easy to rack the weight, but it is easier than squatting it.

Most people won't hold it more than 3-5 seconds, because even though it will help a bit, racking a near max weight still wears you down.

It all depends on how strong your front squat is. You will notice that people who have a clean near their max front squat will rack it and rest for a few moments 2 seconds or so before the jerk. Those who can squat what they clean easily, well, they only pause for a brief second before the jerk. But, it is different for everyone, for the most part.

I see heavy weights pause the most.

ElPietro
03-16-2006, 11:59 AM
Bah, I did three of those last week and then ate a burrito.

WillKuenzel
03-16-2006, 01:47 PM
The video was in slow motion, so I don't think he really paused all that long and the front squat was slow but again not really "that" slow.

ArchAngel777
03-16-2006, 02:26 PM
The video was in slow motion, so I don't think he really paused all that long and the front squat was slow but again not really "that" slow.

No, it wasn't as slow as the video, for obvious reasons, but it wasn't an easy front squat for him. If I had to guess, I'd say his max front squat is only a few kilos more than what he could clean there.

WillKuenzel
03-16-2006, 02:29 PM
Right. I definitely wouldn't say it looked easy for him but just that it wasn't quite as bad as the slow motion made it seem.

I liked the double angle though. That was pretty cool.

Guido
03-16-2006, 02:32 PM
That is pretty damn impressive.

Guido
03-16-2006, 02:38 PM
My buddy Yuri just did a 300lb clean and press at 210 BW. I'm wondering just how much he could do on a clean and jerk now.

ArchAngel777
03-16-2006, 02:45 PM
Right. I definitely wouldn't say it looked easy for him but just that it wasn't quite as bad as the slow motion made it seem.

I liked the double angle though. That was pretty cool.

The double angle was very cool.

ArchAngel777
03-16-2006, 02:47 PM
My buddy Yuri just did a 300lb clean and press at 210 BW. I'm wondering just how much he could do on a clean and jerk now.

Did your friend Yuri jerk the 300 lbs or press it? Pressing it would drop jaws for the most part. Jerking it is strong, but not like WoW!

Chris Rodgers
03-16-2006, 08:08 PM
Very impressive.

Guido
03-17-2006, 03:37 PM
Did your friend Yuri jerk the 300 lbs or press it? Pressing it would drop jaws for the most part. Jerking it is strong, but not like WoW!He pressed it. Yes, he is jaw droppingly strong. He can deadlift 630 RAW (3xBW), no belt no nothing. He has a 1,660 total RAW.

ArchAngel777
03-17-2006, 03:38 PM
He pressed it. Yes, he is jaw droppingly strong. He can deadlift 630 RAW (3xBW), no belt no nothing. He has a 1,660 total RAW.

Wow! That is super strong man... Holy crap. What does he weigh?

Guido
03-17-2006, 03:49 PM
215 lbs

He also did a 225lb snatch for 2 reps.

ArchAngel777
03-17-2006, 03:51 PM
210 lbs

oops, you wrote that above... Now I remember. Well, that is a strong guy. Kudo to him.

Jinkies
03-17-2006, 03:55 PM
Godly

Clifford Gillmore
03-18-2006, 05:42 PM
An Australian in the 68kg class (He was 65 at comp time) just Clean & Jerked 365lbs for Gold in the commonwealth games. I can't wait for the heavier classes.

Goodwinm
03-28-2006, 02:22 PM
damn that is some impressive ****!! I was doin cleans with 60kg (132lbs) (the other day) and that was tough. not full clean and jerks. I was just pulling the weight and ripping it up to my shoudlers and then pressing without moving my legs at all. it has hard work.
Cudo's to this guy.
Is the world record something like 220kg?

Goodwinm
03-28-2006, 02:35 PM
Did your friend Yuri jerk the 300 lbs or press it? Pressing it would drop jaws for the most part. Jerking it is strong, but not like WoW!
press that ****!!?? bloody hell. Thats huge if he could!! Thats a 300lb military /shoulder press man! 300lbs!! 136kg!! 21.4 Stone!!! i.e. Pushing Rick Waller above your head! lol

ArchAngel777
03-28-2006, 03:11 PM
damn that is some impressive ****!! I was doin cleans with 60kg (132lbs) (the other day) and that was tough. not full clean and jerks. I was just pulling the weight and ripping it up to my shoudlers and then pressing without moving my legs at all. it has hard work.
Cudo's to this guy.
Is the world record something like 220kg?

Without doing a google search, the record clean IIRC was 587 pounds, I believe in the 2004 games by Rezedeha or whatever his name was, so it was 267 kilos I believe.

Goodwinm
03-28-2006, 11:47 PM
Without doing a google search, the record clean IIRC was 587 pounds, I believe in the 2004 games by Rezedeha or whatever his name was, so it was 267 kilos I believe.
:eek:
damn. thats pretty damn huge.

ArchAngel777
03-29-2006, 08:53 AM
:eek:
damn. thats pretty damn huge.

Yeah it is... I have a lot of respect for the Clean + Jerk. I mean, squatting 1,000 pounds is impressive, but someone picking up near 600 pounds and putting it above there head is far more impressive in my opinion.

Goodwinm
03-29-2006, 03:27 PM
Yeah it is... I have a lot of respect for the Clean + Jerk. I mean, squatting 1,000 pounds is impressive, but someone picking up near 600 pounds and putting it above there head is far more impressive in my opinion.
Ill second you with that thought!

khari
03-29-2006, 09:51 PM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-898677038915914693&q=snatch&pl=true

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=553222001162200713&q=snatch

Goodwinm
03-30-2006, 10:17 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-898677038915914693&q=snatch&pl=true

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=553222001162200713&q=snatch

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

His arms are as strong as my goddamn legs! lol!

Ironman15
03-31-2006, 08:37 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-898677038915914693&q=snatch&pl=true

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=553222001162200713&q=snatch

He made that **** look easy...damn

dw06wu
03-31-2006, 10:16 AM
I havent even watched the video, but thanks for making me feel like a little girl.

fixationdarknes
04-26-2006, 08:45 PM
Thought this deserved a little bump, cuz I haven't seen that yet and WOW that's crazy stuff. I aspire to C&J a respectable weight one day.

Nik00117
04-27-2006, 01:34 AM
480 Is Crazy.

KevinStarke
04-27-2006, 07:30 AM
Damn these are some strong guys. Olympic lifting has always really impressed me, much more technical than powerlifting.

Meat_Head
04-27-2006, 01:21 PM
So Rezazadeh's total is over 1000lbs?!? That is freaking unreal, I didn't think anyone would get there for a looooong time. What's next, 1500?

ArchAngel777
04-27-2006, 01:40 PM
So Rezazadeh's total is over 1000lbs?!? That is freaking unreal, I didn't think anyone would get there for a looooong time. What's next, 1500?

You won't ever see 1,500 unless genetic engineering becomes the norm. Breaking 1,100 will be a major feat. When Weight Lifting started way back about 100 years ago, technique was still being refined. About the 70's we had it completely mastered. Now, there is no place to go except get stronger and faster. I don't believe in my lifetime that we will ever see anyone Clean & Jerk 700 pounds. I just don't see that ever happening in my entire life. Even 600 is going to be a major breakthrough that may or may not happen next olympics.

Just my thoughts... Yeah, these guys are real strong.

Meat_Head
04-27-2006, 01:46 PM
I dunno, 20 years ago they probably thought no one would ever reach 1,000lbs, and he made it look easy! If you take into account new and more effective training methodologies that might come into use, and trainees training younger and younger + being chosen by genetic disposition, I think it could happen eventually... although it would be freaking insane!

ArchAngel777
04-27-2006, 03:24 PM
I dunno, 20 years ago they probably thought no one would ever reach 1,000lbs, and he made it look easy! If you take into account new and more effective training methodologies that might come into use, and trainees training younger and younger + being chosen by genetic disposition, I think it could happen eventually... although it would be freaking insane!

The sky is the limit and I agree with you on that... But, here are my thoughts on it. In 1970 the Clean & Jerk world record was 501 pounds. Performance enhancing drugs have been on the rise, refined, better and taking in higher more potent dosages. I guess what I am saying is that I believe the biggest reason we have seen the record go from 501 to 587 in 36 years is due to the use of drugs. It is possible Vasali Alexeev was on drugs, but the likelyhood is much less.

Rewind back to 1951 when the first 400 pound Clean & Jerk was done. No drugs existed at that time, at least steroids that we know of. So, here we have a good baseline. However, technique in the 50's wasn't perfect at this time. So, 400 to 500 leaves open the doors for both technique improvement and quite possibly drugs, to a certain extent, towards the 60's and so on.

So, 700 may be possible here, but I don't think that will ever be anywhere near possible on anyone completely natural. In fact, I don't think 600 is possible for someone natural. I don't think Weller and Rez were/are natural.