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Itay Neeman
03-06-2001, 08:31 AM
Hi,

For school I need to do a paper about stereoids. I decided the best way is to talk to actual athletes.

What I need to know is this:

1. Introduction - Statistics
How to use
Origin of substance and the addictive substance
2. Chemical characteristhics of the substance
3. Proccess of absorbment in the body and the spreadign of it.
4. Physical Effects
5. Mental Effects
6. Durability (Time and strength of effect), type of addiction

I dont mind if you point me to certain sites with the info, I just need this info. =)

Thx,
Itay

Spiderman
03-06-2001, 11:32 AM
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........Gear...... :D :D :D
hahaha...here's a site with info.. http://www.angelfire.com/pq/profiles/

Pup
03-06-2001, 08:03 PM
I'm not sure if angelfire has this, but the concept of performance enhancers (steroids) was originated in amsterdam in the 1880's. The swimmers were taking amphetamines (cocaine etc.) to give them more energy and endurance. Actual anabolic steroids were first developed behind the iron curtain of the soviet union in the 1920's. They tested them on their soldiers and athletes, part of the main reason why russian plifters were so successful in the olympics. Usage then spread to germany in the 50's and to the western hemisphere by the 1970's. After steroids were found in many of the athletes in the pan-am games in the late 70's, anabolic steroid testing then became prevalent. By the middle of the 1980's steroid testing was institutionalized by the IOC. This was obvious when Ben Johnson was stripped of his gold medal. I hope some of this background information helps you out.

YatesNightBlade
03-07-2001, 03:19 AM
There is evidence that testosterone use stretched further back then that. Roman Gladiators where believed to use it in it's purest format ..... sheeps balls. Im a little sceptical about this ..... although I remember reading it from a realiabe source.

Tadger
03-12-2001, 07:03 PM
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What I need to know is this:

1. Introduction - Statistics
How to use
Origin of substance and the addictive substance
2. Chemical characteristhics of the substance
3. Proccess of absorbment in the body and the spreadign of it.
4. Physical Effects
5. Mental Effects
6. Durability (Time and strength of effect), type of addiction
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1. Anabolic steroids are probably the most widely used controlled substance in the US, use being more prevalent than even marijuana and any other recreational drug. The most popular anabolic steroids are either oral or intramuscular. There have been other methods employed to introduce them into the body such as transdermal (like some veterinary steroid pellets, this can be rather inconvenient), suppositories (which is a very effective method though most people seem to have some objection to this... lol) and also through the respiratory system, but these methods don't seem terribly convenient or appealing to most users.

just_a_pup gave you some good background on the development and history of anabolic steroids.

Anabolic steroids are not physically addictive; though some say that they are psychologically... which I can understand to a certain degree, but personally feel is not an addiction in the strictest sense of the word.

2. Chemically, most anabolic steroids are sterol based (have a cholesterol backbone), which makes them somewhat hydrophobic. Most are at least loosely based upon testosterone. Steroids are a class of chemical messengers that the body releases into the bloodstream, that affect the entire body. Anabolic steroids would be more appropriately referred to as anabolic, androgenic steroids for the androgenic (masculinizing) effects have not been completely separated from the anabolic (muscle building) properties.

3. All steroids (anabolic or not), diffuse across the plasma membrane in cells, then there attach to receptors in the cytosol. This receptor-steroid complex then diffuses through the nuclear membrane and initiates transcription (ie. causes gene expression). The steroid-receptor, after a certain period of time, is broken down, new receptors are produced and the process starts over. Anabolic steroids do not generally grow new muscle cells, but cause hypertrophy of existing cells. The cells basically grow larger and store more of what they need to do their job. Anabolic steroids will cause tissue repair to occur at an accelerated rate, so anabolic steroids are often administered after major surgeries or injuries to accelerate healing. They enhance the effects of insulin and growth hormone. They are now being used to treat chronic wasting disorder in AIDS patients because of these properties.

4. Anabolic steroids cause different effects in different tissues. Muscle mass increases, the body retains water, metabolism increases, fat storage is decreased and appetite increases. Other effects such as deepening voice, hair loss, and acne are sometimes observed as well. In children, premature closure of the epiphysial growth plates can occur, and in adolescent and hypogonadal males, administration of anabolic steroids can initiate puberty. All the effects vary depending on the particular steroid in use. Some may occur and others may not. In the body, testosterone is naturally converted to estrogen by the action of an aromitase. Testosterone based molecules are converted to estrogens. In the human body, steroids pretty much have the same effects whether in a male or female. Testosterone will cause an increase in muscle mass, deepening voice and whatnot, while estrogen, whether in a male or a female, will cause fat deposits in the breasts, legs, underarms, abdomen and ass. In males, gynecomastia (breast development) may occur when the use of an anti-aromitase is not used (though this will depend largely on genetics as well). In males, endogenous testosterone production is decreased via feedback inhibition with the use of most anabolic steroids. The body does not need to make any more testosterone, because of steroid use, androgen levels are at or above a the level the body would normally maintain. With even minimal anabolic use, endogenous testosterone levels are decreased. With use of around 3 weeks or more, the average male will begin to experience testicular atrophy. The testes excrete testosterone, and when normal production is reduced, the testes also reduced in size. A few common misconceptions are that penis size is affected and that testicle size is permanent. Penis size is not affected. The testicles will return to normal upon discontinuance of steroid use. Many new users will not take into account that the endogenous testosterone levels will be extremely low after steroid use is discontinued, and any gains that they’ve made are lost in the time it takes to return to normal levels. Use of Clomid (Clomiphene citrate), and or HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin) upon discontinuance (or for best results, shortly before) will restore normal testosterone levels quickly, allowing the user to keep most, if not all the muscle and strength gains made.
As most oral steroids would be broken down and metabolized by the liver before they can enter the bloodstream, a special care is taken in their manufacture. Most, if not all, oral steroids have a special functional group attached so the liver is unable to metabolize them. Most are 17-alpha-alkylated, which means that an alkyl group is attached to the 17th carbon in the sterol backbone. These steroids are tough on the liver. This can cause elevated levels of liver enzyme, which can lead to many problems. These steroids are used only in short cycles and in light dosages so no damage is caused to the liver. Prolonged use and abuse can cause liver abscesses and is linked with liver cancer. Most of the very harsh orals have been replaced by safer more effective intramusculars and safer orals, though they are still used quite commonly.

5. Anabolic steroids are not physically addictive. Some say that people can develop a psychological addiction to them, though this is indicative of other underlying psychological problems. This kind of “addiction” may result from a difference in what a person looks like and what they see when they look in the mirror. “This dislocation between perception and reality goes by the name "muscle dysmorphia," and it is part of a larger group of disorders in which the afflicted fixate despairingly on a facial feature, body part or their entire bodies.” –Scientific American
Sometimes called bigarexia, muscle dysmorphia is the opposite of anorexia nervosa. People with this disorder obsess about being small and undeveloped. They worry that they are too little and too frail. Even if they have good muscle mass, they believe their bodies to be inadequate. This problem is one that is not caused by steroid use, but may cause steroid use.

Generally, anabolic steroids promote an enhanced feeling of well being. Anabolic steroids have little effect on the normal psychological workings of the user. Most people feel more confident in their bodies and this confidence is reflected in their daily activities. Oftentimes, users seem assertive, easier going and more pleasant to be around during steroid use, according to family and friends or many users. Some users report feeling somewhat depressed after usage is stopped, but this is due in most part by the low testosterone levels. Some say that it’s because they feel so good while on the juice, that feeling normal again is like going from being Superman to being just an average Joe. This is a temporary condition that can usually avoided by making sure that testosterone levels don’t drop below normal at the end of a cycle.
The “roid rage,” or increased aggression that the uninitiated or uninformed people fear, is not a direct physiological condition in most cases. The aggression may have been a part of the person’s personality, though seldom seen before use. Steroids according to most users just seem to enhance the person’s underlying personality. The few drugs that produce increased aggression are actually sought after for the reason that they do make a person more aggressive. These are quite androgenic, only slightly anabolic, and more effective drugs with fewer side effects are available. They are taken in low doses to increase the intensity at which one trains. Even the aggression that may be produced by these drugs is used in a positive manner. Steroid use has come a long way and is much different that the media likes to portray.

6. The strength and duration of effect have a direct correlation to the frequency of use, dosage and the individual physical characteristics of each steroid. The higher the dosage, the more effect is seen, though there is an inverse relationship between effect and the require dosage to maintain the same amount of muscle gain (ie, taking twice the dose does not necessarily mean you’ll get twice the muscle gained. Lets say at 250mgs. Of Xsteroid per week, 10 lbs muscle is gained. At 500mgs. per week, only 15Y lbs muscle is gained).
The time a steroid is in a person’s system is determined by it’s half-life. Steroids with a longer half-life are in the system longer. Many steroids have an ester attached to the 17th position to give them a longer half-life. The ester makes the steroid less water soluble, so the ester has to be removed before the steroid can become effective. The longer the chain of carbons in the ester attached to the steroid, the longer it takes before the steroid becomes water soluble and is released into the bloodstream. This leaves steadier levels in the bloodstream. When a suspension of testosterone is injected, a spike in the serum testosterone is observed. The steroid is metabolized quite quickly because it has a very short half-life of only a few hours. Testosterone decanoate (a 10 carbon ester) is slowly released into the bloodstream and is present for up to a month.

I hope that this helps you out a bit… I see that this post is about a week old so you may not get this in time to help with the paper, but even if it doesn’t… hopefully this will help educate you a bit. Do not take what I said as gospel, I am still learning, and what I said is information that I’ve accumulated through my own research and but only my understanding of what I’ve read and observed.

Tadger
03-12-2001, 07:05 PM
Heh heh heh... wow... that turned out to be longer than I anticipated. I hope that someone gets sumpin out of that. Here's sumpin that I stole from WBF (www.wannabeafreak.com). This may help ya out too.
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Testosterone is hot. It gets lead story status in big-name international newsmagazines like Time, and it's been making the rounds on both national and local news programs. Everybody, it seems, is suddenly intrigued by it. And moreover, everybody seems to want it.
It's quite a hormonal role reversal, considering that only a year ago, wearing a Testosterone T-shirt would grant you automatic pariah status on any street you happened to walk down. Likewise, asking the average physician about it would get you a raised eyebrow and a lecture – delivered in the requisite condescending tone – about the evils of steroids.

We're happy that the lay public "discovered" Testosterone and the concept of Testosterone replacement. It gives us delicious "I-told-you-so" status.

The trouble is, for every favorable report you hear about our favorite hormone, the news organization delivering it feels compelled to offer the "dark side," or "the bad news" about Testosterone.

Unfortunately, in almost 99% of the cases, they've got their heads up their collective asses.

The goal of this article is to help dispel most of the mythology concerning Testosterone, steroids, or prohormones, just in case you're considering getting your hands on some and your loved ones or peers have been eating up some or all of the media propaganda.


Myth #1. "Testosterone? Sure, that's fine, I guess. But steroids? That's a whole other subject!"

Most of the bobos in the news organizations think that Testosterone is somehow distinct from steroids. They think that Testosterone, while risky, is something worth looking at, but the very mention of the word steroid is enough to make them clamp shut their minds with the rapidity of a clam that just heard the seafood chef come into the kitchen.

The truth is, Testosterone is a steroid. It was first isolated in crystalline form by Laqueur in 1935 and was synthesized shortly thereafter. Once that happened, chemists around the world started synthesizing different versions of the drug.

Their hope was to somehow dissociate the masculinizing properties from the anabolic, or growth promoting, properties. No one is yet sure whether that's possible because it seems that the anabolic and androgenic (masculinizing) properties work through the same receptor complex.

Regardless, these synthetics, along with Testosterone, are all steroids.


Myth #2. Testosterone injections will give you liver cancer.

The truth is none of the Testosterone preparations currently used for Testosterone replacement in the United States have any negative effects on the liver.

Why then the age-old rumor? Most of the oral steroids (those that appear in pill form) have, in chemical terms, an alkyl group in the 17-alpha position. It doesn't matter if you know what this means. What does matter is that ordinarily, regular old Testosterone, taken orally, gets metabolized and inactivated by the liver before it reaches its target organs.

That means that you'd have to swallow a lot of it to have any noticeable effect at all. That's why all Testosterone esters are injectables.

However, in order to protect Testosterone from being broken down, chemists have put the aforementioned alkyl group in the 17-alpha position, thus making oral steroids a viable possibility.

Although this chemical juggling makes it an effective steroid, the liver suffers the consequences, sometimes leading to an increase in liver enzymes, cholestasis, and/or peliosis.

Whether or not these complications will lead to liver cancer is debatable. Although one study found an association between long-term treatment with methyltestosterone (a 17-alpha alkylated steroid) and liver tumors, another study found the association to be "incidental."(1,2)

Regardless, no doctors in the U.S. use any 17-alpha akylated steroids for T replacement. All use injectable versions.


Myth #3. Testosterone replacement will make your testicles shrink and you'll be sterile.

There's an element of truth to this "myth." If you introduce additional Testosterone into your body, your own supply is suppressed and the clearance rate increases. As a result, the testicles may take a vacation and actually shrink.

Simultaneously, the production of sperm cells will slow or stop. This is why the World Health Organization was thinking about recommending the use of steroids as a male contraceptive a few years back.

What the fear mongers don't tell you, however, is that these side effects are temporary and that the testicles almost always rebound within a few weeks. There are thousands of steroid users who have sired healthy babies.

One more point: this shutdown of the testes, however temporary, can usually be alleviated by the concurrent use of drugs like Clomid, HCG, and in some cases, a supplement like Tribex-500.


Myth #4. Testosterone replacement will make you grow lovely breasts.

Estrogen is the yin to Testosterone's yang. Let me explain. The body converts some of every male's Testosterone into the "female hormone" estrogen. Without this reaction, Testosterone wouldn't exert all its effects.

The trouble begins when the ratio of E to T is high. As a result, the excess estrogen binds to receptor sites on male breast tissue and initiates protein transcription; i.e. the male grows breasts.

Ironically, gynecomastia may also be a result of low T levels. Men who are hypogonadal (suffer from low levels of T) may, as a result, have high E/T ratios. Often, with the initiation of Testosterone replacement, the gyno can subside.

Most of the Testosterone preparations used for T replacement, with the exception of Testosterone Enanthate (and only in sensitive individuals), don't cause estrogen levels to increase too dramatically. In these "sensitive" patients, the solution is to either lower the dosage or switch to a different Testosterone preparation.

Additionally, there are various prescription estrogen "blockers" on the market. One of the newest and best is called Arimidex. Some innovative doctors might be persuaded to prescribe the drug concurrently with Testosterone replacement.

So yes, it's possible for Testosterone replacement to make you grow lovely breasts, but it isn't likely.


Myth #5. A high level of Testosterone automatically makes you a sex machine.

Taking additional T doesn't always result in automatic horniness. There's often a latency period between T administration and increase in sexual desire (at least in hypogonadal men) that takes from days to several weeks.

Besides, just how much T you need to sexually function as a male is debatable. The normal physiologic range is a lot higher than you need to maintain normal sexual functions.

Additionally, while extra T will presumably, sooner or later, lead to increased sexual desire, increased sexual frequency, and possibly stiffer erections, it won't cure premature ejaculation or necessarily make you a better lover. If you're currently a dud in bed, extra T will make you a hornier dud.


Myth #6. Testosterone replacement will automatically turn you into a behemoth.

Not necessarily true. The effect of steroids on muscles varies tremendously from individual to individual. It has a lot to do with the age of the patient, existing T levels (primarily existing levels of free Testosterone), exercise stimulus, nutritional factors, growth hormone, and various muscle growth factors.

However, taking amounts of Testosterone above and beyond that which a man might need for the purposes of T replacement will generally lead to additional muscle mass, even without exercising. The landmark study of 1996 by Bashin and associates found that 600 mg of Test, given weekly over a course of several weeks, resulted in muscle mass gains that generally exceeded those of an average weight trainer who was working out regularly but who wasn't taking steroids.(3)

Even so, having high levels of T generally makes it easier to put on muscle mass than for individuals with lower T. Still, even that's uncertain because men differ on how their bodies process the stuff. Some men may have more testosterone receptors, which would probably improve responsiveness. Others might have a higher clearance rate of Testosterone, which would probably decrease responsiveness. And, another group might have very high levels of bound T, but very low levels of free T (the stuff that's biologically available for growing muscle and the rest of the stuff associated with T).


Myth #7. Testosterone replacement will automatically cause your hair to fall out in tufts.

Take a look at almost any young boy or any woman – you'll notice that their hairlines go straight across their foreheads. However, once these boys start to produce T, their hairlines start to recede at the temples. And, if the genetic predisposition exists, they'll eventually go bald.

Therefore, it is true that T replacement – taken to normal or slightly supra-normal levels – can lead to hair loss, if the patient has a genetic predisposition to androgen-related hair loss.

Looking at case histories of castrates easily proves this. They don't suffer from baldness, but once you start giving them T, they can develop male pattern baldness.

Why does Testosterone sometimes cause varying degrees of baldness? Well, when a portion of the testosterone produced or introduced into the body gets converted into another form of T known as Dihydrotestostesterone, or DHT. Some of this DHT binds to intracellular androgen receptors – cellular parking spots, really – and prevents hair from developing normally.

DHT-bound follicles gradually produce thinner and thinner hair, along with the shortening of the anagen phase (the hair's life span) and lengthening of the telogen phase (the dormant, or rest phase). This can then culminate in the connective tissue sheath of the hair becoming chronically inflamed and long-term baldness is the result.

Still, the hair-loss phenomenon varies from individual to individual. As mentioned above, the genetic predisposition for hair loss must be present. Additionally, some men may convert Testosterone to DHT at a higher rate.

In any event, raising T levels to mid-range normal or high normal in itself won't necessarily cause your hair to fall out. And, if it is a potential problem, the drug finasteride will block DHT from binding to the hair follicle, thus usually preventing further hair loss.

Now, some steroids don't convert to DHT (or estrogen), but because of this, they won't exhibit the full spectrum of activities associated with T, so that makes them an undesirable candidate for T replacement.

As we learn more and more about steroids, scientists might soon be able to develop drugs for specific purposes. So we might eventually have steroids that don't cause hair loss. As an example the steroid 7-alpha-methyl-19-nortestosterone is experiencing a kind of renaissance because its highly androgenic but has little effect on the prostate, which brings us to Myth #8.


Myth #8. Testosterone replacement causes prostate cancer.

Your average physician is convinced that the main problem associated with Testosterone replacement (or steroid or prohormone use in general) is prostate growth.

It is true that the prostate is a haven for DHT receptors, and elevated T generally leads to elevated DHT levels. Consequently, the DHT parks on the prostate receptor, eventually initiates protein transcription, and presumably causes the prostate to grow.

Why does mere growth potentially lead to cancer? Who knows, maybe the additional cell divisions prompted by the DHT are especially prone to mutations that lead to cancer.

Anyhow, the association between T and prostate cancer isn't clear at all. For the most part, T therapy hasn't caused any prostate-related problems.

For instance, Testosterone therapy has been shown to increase the prostate size of hypogonadal men, but only to the size of age-matched controls. That means that low T had caused their prostates to shrink while replacement caused the prostate to "catch up" to normal.

A recent study at the University of Iowa showed that men who had received T therapy for four years showed only mild increases in prostate specific antigen (PSA).(4) (PSA is generally regarded as a good indicator of prostate health.)

Another study done in Poland tracked 30 men who had all received T therapy for between 1.5 and 6 years, with the average duration being 3.35 years.(5) Although the average PSA doubled from 0.65 ng/dl to 1.35 ng/dl, this level was well within desired ranges (anything under 4.0 is considered acceptable).

It is true, however, that patients with existing prostate cancer should not get T replacement as it could make matters worse. (Medically speaking, this is practically the one pre-existing medical condition, along with breast cancer, where the use of steroids is contraindicated.)

Interestingly enough, scientists are beginning to think that estrogen also plays a role in the hormonal regulation of the prostate.(6) If that's true, it could explain a lot. Prostate cancer is almost epidemic in this country, but so are levels of environmental and dietary estrogens.

Given that the relationship – as shown by the many studies – between T therapy and prostate cancer is unclear, it makes the supposition of estrogen involvement especially interesting.


Myth #9. Testosterone replacement will cause your heart to stop.

Out of 30 studies looking at the relationship between coronary disease and T, 18 found an inverse relationship (meaning that low T positively correlated with heart disease), 11 found no association, and only 1 found a positive association.

Another case-control study of 50 men who were matched up by age and ethnic background – but differed only by T levels – found that low levels of Testosterone were associated with a higher BMI (body mass index, i.e., they were fatter), higher waist-to-hip ratio, higher systolic blood pressure, higher fasting and 2-hour glucose and insulin levels, higher levels of cholesterol and triglycerides, in addition to a lower HDL-C (good cholesterol).(7)

In other words, although these men hadn't suffered heart attacks yet, low T made them ideal candidates for coronary problems.

Now, it is true that supplemental T can lead to supraphysiological levels of hemoglobin, erythrocytes, and hematocrit, which can possibly lead to stroke or a coronary event, but any conscientious doctor will monitor such parameters through routine blood tests.

If indeed there's evidence of the aforementioned problems, he may actually drain some of the "excess" blood. An adjustment of dosage may also be in order.

It's this reporter's humble opinion that many of the cardiac problems associated with T or steroids in general results from using either extremely high doses, or in lousy dietary habits that often come part-and-parcel with steroid use.

The user, despite eating "bad" foods, sees his body fat continue to drop. With this perception of body fat invulnerability playing a role in his decision making, he begins to eat all the foods he shouldn't be eating, including those that contain large amounts of saturated fat or trans fatty acids. The end result is poor coronary health.


Myth #10. Testosterone replacement will cause you to kill your parents, or any man, woman, flower or bug that gets in your way.

Generally speaking, hormones don't cause personality changes per se; they only alter the probability that a particular behavior will pop up in the presence of a particular stimulus.

Now it is true that violent offenders often have higher T levels, but there's some evidence to suggest that, at least in animals, previous experiences in aggression can sometimes be more important than T levels in determining aggressiveness. That means that if a kid was beaten and abused, he might well grow up to be a felon, regardless of T levels.

Dr. Christina Wang of UCLA found that men with low T were more likely to be aggressive and ill humored than men who had high T. However, once these aggressive men received T replacement, their anger disappeared.(8)

Another study conducted in 1992, found that high T levels correlated with emotional well being.(x)

How then, do we explain the "roid rage" behavior that's part of bodybuilding legend? One explanation is that these men take enormous amounts of steroids and once a certain threshold is passed, all bets are off. Another explanation might be that the same impulses that caused them to be risk takers and aggressive might play a part in their decision to abuse steroids. Thus, the steroids only increase the probability that they're going to act aggressively.


Conclusions

There is no evidence that the judicious, sane use of Testosterone or steroids in general is life shortening. Of course, there's not a whole lot of evidence (yet) that T will lengthen life. There is, however, plenty of evidence that they can improve the quality of life.


References:

1. Lancet 1975; (I):430-2
2. JAMA 1986; (255):906
3. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1997;(82):407-13
4. Pharmacotherapy, 1999 Aug;19(8):951-6
5. Pol Arch Med 1998 Sep;100(3):212-21
6. J Androl 1994;(15):97-99
7. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1997;(82):682-85
8. Time Magazine, 2000 April 24: p. 64
9. J Androl 1992 (13):297-304

Praetorian
05-05-2002, 12:52 PM
wooow dude..a lot of good read there...:thumbup:

the doc
05-05-2002, 02:26 PM
that is a great post tadger!

i nominate this for sticky!