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pmpimpalot01
04-13-2006, 09:07 PM
Ok so in all these posts I've been reading people are doubting the fact that people tell the truth about the weights that they lift. A lot of the time its directed towards the younger group. why is it so hard to beileve?

405x5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHpWGvVM680

diesel_dan
04-13-2006, 09:39 PM
You screwed that link up lol. Doesn't work.

pmpimpalot01
04-13-2006, 09:43 PM
ya I dont know how to do this

im still workin on it

Meat_Head
04-13-2006, 11:11 PM
Haha I'm lookin forward to seein this

Organichu
04-13-2006, 11:17 PM
To preclarify: this is not an attack or an impeachment in any way- I'm merely asking these questions because the answers are extremely relevant to your claim, until your video is posted.

1.) Are you familiar with the term "parallel" in relation to back squatting?

2.) If yes, have you been observed reaching parallel by another (seeing yourself in the mirror can be deceptive).

If the answer to both questions is yes, then that's an extremely impressive lift for your age- for any age, really, and you have my congratulations.

pmpimpalot01
04-14-2006, 08:11 AM
ok I put the right link

Clifford Gillmore
04-14-2006, 08:20 AM
Not parallel. Whats the deal with the "spot"?

Skinny Fat
04-14-2006, 08:22 AM
Congratulations on handling that much weight, but I'm going to have to agree with the 'not parallel' sentiment. Obviously, you did far more than I could at this point, but if you're going to post a video to a lifting forum, you should probably make sure you hit full depth.

You should also get some software so you can turn the video right-side-up next time, too. :)

sharkall2003
04-14-2006, 08:33 AM
Please, you guys act like that is nothing to be proud of. Great job on the lifts. Too bad I didn't start lifting correctly at a younger age.

Natetaco
04-14-2006, 08:39 AM
the first 3 were close to parallel, it looked like the 4th and 5th reps were really close to it. dude congrats on handling that much weight at 15! thats freakin insane man you woop my ass and im 17... keep it up dude:ninja:

btw what is your weight?

Skinny Fat
04-14-2006, 09:00 AM
Congratulations on handling that much weight..


Obviously, you did far more than I could at this point...

I respect the guy totally for even putting 405 on his back, much less getting 5 99% reps. I'm just saying, he should definitely focus on getting 100% reps before moving the weight up any more. And post that video - right side up this time! ;)

Bohizzle
04-14-2006, 09:12 AM
i agree with Skinny Fat, impressive weight, much more than i could do, but not quite parallel. tell ur spotter he doesn't need to have his arms tucked underneath the whole time, only once ur near failure. Awesome job, but before bumping the weight, start hitting parallel.

Andrew

Anthony
04-14-2006, 09:52 AM
Not even close to parallel. Another 4-6" deeper and he'd be borderline. He's still a strong kid, but he should lower the weight and go deeper.

BigRic
04-14-2006, 10:09 AM
Awesome job, strong as hell.

BCC
04-14-2006, 10:20 AM
Nice job. But none of those reached parallel.

Slim Schaedle
04-14-2006, 11:13 AM
I would never want to squat facing a window.


Or in regular gym shoes for that matter.

Agree with others on form, but for 15 years old that's pretty cool.

Phelon
04-14-2006, 11:17 AM
Go a few more inches. But either way, thats still impressive. a 15 year old even doin that is impressive. U cant find many real 15 year olds BOX squating 405.

KarateBoy
04-14-2006, 11:28 AM
Go a few more inches. But either way, thats still impressive. a 15 year old even doin that is impressive. U cant find many real 15 year olds BOX squating 405.

As opposed to fake 15 year olds? :p

:thumbup:

Nice job dude, 405 is really impressive.

ericg
04-14-2006, 11:42 AM
Nice work. I love the commercial in the background, the "real men of genius" commercials are great.

Manveet
04-14-2006, 12:34 PM
Not even close to parallel. Another 4-6" deeper and he'd be borderline. He's still a strong kid, but he should lower the weight and go deeper.

Are we watching the same video?

He looks like he is VERY close to parallel, about 2 inches away.

Manveet
04-14-2006, 12:36 PM
I should also mention that lift is great for a 15 year old. However, I would lower the weight in order to get deeper reps. You will only end up being stronger in the long run.

EmericaBadBoy
04-14-2006, 01:05 PM
Good job man!

- Camera view was weird though, it made my head hurt.

Sensei
04-14-2006, 02:35 PM
None of the them is even close to parallel. At least 4" more to go. Definately strong though and I have little doubt that you could do a good single w. 405. Nice job and keep training hard!

Anthony
04-14-2006, 02:42 PM
Are we watching the same video?

He looks like he is VERY close to parallel, about 2 inches away.

Parallel is when the crease in the hip is at or below the knee. Use the squat rack for reference. He's 4-6" away.

CrazyK
04-14-2006, 02:48 PM
Definately strong for your age, and while these guys say your not getting close to parallel, I think you could do 1 or 2 reps of 405 at parallel depth. Good work :strong:

Sensei
04-14-2006, 02:54 PM
Anthony and I aren't putting him down. I hope that's clear.

Manveet
04-14-2006, 03:20 PM
Parallel is when the crease in the hip is at or below the knee. Use the squat rack for reference. He's 4-6" away.

Could you post a vid of a parallel squat?

Sensei
04-14-2006, 03:24 PM
Here's 315 and 405.
http://media.putfile.com/315405

Manveet
04-14-2006, 03:33 PM
Here's 315 and 405.
http://media.putfile.com/315405

Alright, I can see how he *could* be 4 inches away from parallel, but certainly not half of a foot. The squat rack doesnt really provide any reference though because of the differences in height of the inviduals.

Nice lift btw

Sensei
04-14-2006, 03:36 PM
He's not a short limbed kid - it's definately at least 4" away from parallel.

Manveet
04-14-2006, 04:03 PM
He's not a short limbed kid - it's definately at least 4" away from parallel.

Well, you could very well be right. I'm saying between 2-4", you're saying 4"+. What are everyone else's thoughts?

MixmasterNash
04-14-2006, 04:22 PM
4" to hit parallel is a good guess.

He should start going below parallel for the sake of his knee health.

Organichu
04-14-2006, 04:41 PM
Very good strength. While not parallel, that was certainly impressive.

Have you looked into powerlifting? What are your other big lifts?

chris mason
04-14-2006, 05:27 PM
The depth isn't all that bad but I can't tell how much weight is on the bar.

cosmicdebree88
04-14-2006, 05:45 PM
The depth isn't all that bad but I can't tell how much weight is on the bar.

:withstupi From that angle I couldn't see how many plates were on there either. I'm not saying it wasn't 405 I just couldn't see. Anyway, the depth wasn't perfect but it wasn't THAT bad... For 15 years old that is absolutely insane. I did not know how to do a squat at 15. I would just hesitate to go around telling people that you can squat 405 for 5 reps (to parallel), because that is not to parallel. It is close though and I can believe that in a few months you can turn those into parallel. Try squatting ATF for a little while. When you go back to going for just parallel it will feel MUCH easier.

pmpimpalot01
04-14-2006, 06:34 PM
Have you looked into powerlifting? What are your other big lifts?

I don't know my max dead lift but I have cleaned 260

pmpimpalot01
04-14-2006, 06:35 PM
The depth isn't all that bad but I can't tell how much weight is on the bar.

the weight is shown at the end

Meat_Head
04-14-2006, 06:58 PM
This is a prime example of what I was arguing in the other thread, that a true squat of over 400lbs that is raw and below parallel with good form at the high school level is very rare, and that most high schoolers that claim this on this website or in life are likely stretching the truth.

Its an impressive video, especially for your age, but 3 things are wrong: 1) a weight belt, which adds roughly 20-40lbs to your lift. 2) although I can't tell if he is helping or not, your spotter is in constant contact through all reps, and could easily be helping you out at least a little. 3) All of the reps are at least 2 inches from parallel, and that 2+ inches can make a biiiig difference.

That being said, you're still very strong for a 15 year old. I'd be more impressed with a raw, below parallel squat with no spotter contact and a weight you can do a full squat with.

BCC
04-14-2006, 07:13 PM
4" to hit parallel is a good guess.

He should start going below parallel for the sake of his knee health.

Probably one of the best points made. The form used is a terrible way to squat for your knees.

KevinStarke
04-14-2006, 07:53 PM
1) a weight belt, which adds roughly 20-40lbs to your lift

I dont agree with this statement. Personally I havnt found a belt to add any weight to my max squat or dead.

Strong for 15 but from a guy with knee problems I would fix the form a bit if you wanna save those knees and go a bit deeper.

cosmicdebree88
04-14-2006, 08:39 PM
This is a prime example of what I was arguing in the other thread, that a true squat of over 400lbs that is raw and below parallel with good form at the high school level is very rare, and that most high schoolers that claim this on this website or in life are likely stretching the truth.

This I don't agree with... I recently squatted 405 for 6 reps to parallel and I haven't really even been doing squats for that long (year and a half or so). I can see how for some younger kids that are better developed earlier how a weight like this is possible. I understand that some people will occasionally stretch the truth or flat out lie about their lifts. But to say that MOST kids posting their lifts are lying seems like a little much.

WildCard
04-14-2006, 09:02 PM
what impresses me is that the op is 6 foot 2. sqauts are not easy at that height.

pmpimpalot01
04-14-2006, 09:04 PM
Probably one of the best points made. The form used is a terrible way to squat for your knees.

I have been having knee problems. What do I change

Patz
04-14-2006, 09:15 PM
That was a strong vid, despite the depth. Impressive..

That was also THE MOST HOMOEROTIC spot I've even seen. ROFL..talk about your "Brokeback Squat Rack."

It was easy to tell the spotter wasn't helping him. He just had his hands lightly against his sides, or not evne touching at all.

I also counted 4 plates at the end of the video. There's no point in claiming we can't see how many plates it is. That much was legit.

Bob
04-14-2006, 09:43 PM
I think #1 is on the top of your reps, you are popping your knees back into a locked position on at least 3 of your reps. That's never good... I think dropping the weight down to 315, 5 sets (after warm-up) of 5 solid and controlled reps, ATF if possible, for a few weeks will really help to bring up the strength/stablizers around your knee... and with excellent technique you will be more pain free and ready to jump to the bigger weights...

Sorry, I'm having a hard time looking sideways seeing your stance.. and foot position.. others may see it better then I do.. although you could try flatter shoes - like Chuck Taylors, wrestling shoes or buy some special PL shoes..

ANd I assume you are working on your core, Plyos and Deadlifts, right?

BTW.. Your brute strength is great for your age.. but remember that bad injuries now can last a lifetime... (hand raised high as a 41 yr old example)

Bohizzle
04-14-2006, 09:48 PM
once u start going atf, make sure u don't bounce at the bottom, and keep everything tight, don't just sit at the bottom and rest, when u pause, ur holding it, not resting it. hope that helps.

Andrew

cosmicdebree88
04-15-2006, 01:41 AM
the weight is shown at the end

Sorry bout that... missed the ending :p

HILL
04-15-2006, 02:39 AM
Impressive no matter what keep it up

drew
04-15-2006, 02:57 AM
3-4" high (better than most), but you handle the weight pretty well. A very strong lift, just learn to get lower. As Chuck V says, if you want to squat big, check between your legs first. :D

Mad Max
04-15-2006, 08:22 AM
Impressive. When did you start puberty?

Maki Riddington
04-15-2006, 10:47 AM
I have been having knee problems. What do I change

Change your squatting pattern. Use your hips not the knees. What I mean is the hips should move back first in the movement not the knees forward. Most people are very quad dominant in the squat which will ruin the knees.

Nice squat but work on your depth.

pmpimpalot01
04-15-2006, 11:12 AM
ok well I guess I should probably do the 315 atf and I'll post that just to make sure I am doing it with the least amount of stress on my knees because that has been worrying me

KevinStarke
04-15-2006, 11:26 AM
I've had knee problems in the past and still have some lingering pain but after fixing my squat form things feel much better.

Bam
04-15-2006, 01:21 PM
ummm that wasnt parallel and idk do olympics lifters have a guy behind you pulling you up? when i was doing 315 i got 4 and on my 5th one i was stuck in the same spot for about 10 seconds and couldnt move but was working my ass off and a freind came up put his arms under my armpits on my sides and i went straight up easier then my first 4 reps.

no disrespect but thats my opinion good job tho.

Antonious
04-15-2006, 03:18 PM
I would of never doubted the lift had you told me... 405 x3, not bad for your age.

deeder
04-15-2006, 05:48 PM
Real solid lift bro.

Antonious
04-15-2006, 05:49 PM
x5 rather

chris mason
04-16-2006, 02:43 PM
If the weight is truly 405 that is a GREAT lift for your age. You must be the strongest guy at school for your age.

dw06wu
04-16-2006, 02:59 PM
Very impressive, but like others said, your progress will be even better if you focus on hitting a lower depth.

pmpimpalot01
04-16-2006, 07:19 PM
If the weight is truly 405 that is a GREAT lift for your age. You must be the strongest guy at school for your age.

2nd only to a 380 pound kid. but I'm at the top of my school (only 600 kids)

sharkall2003
04-16-2006, 07:25 PM
2nd only to a 380 pound kid. but I'm at the top of my school (only 600 kids)

Yeah, I can see why. My friend Preston is pretty similar in strength to you. He had a 450 squat, 400 deadlift and 315 bench press in the tenth grade. Excellent stats.

Stumprrp
04-19-2006, 05:51 AM
unreal though whether it was a few inches above or not, your 15 and your stats are insane, along with being 6'3 that is just giant, how long have you been lifting again?

pmpimpalot01
04-19-2006, 06:29 PM
less then 2 years

Andre3000
04-19-2006, 10:58 PM
your spotter amuses me

Meat_Head
04-20-2006, 10:27 AM
your spotter amuses me

He doesn't amuse me! tuttut

:windup:

deeder
04-20-2006, 10:34 AM
:withstupi

If someone other than my girlfriend tried to spot me like that I'd be just a little wierded out.

Slim Schaedle
04-20-2006, 07:39 PM
:withstupi

If someone other than my girlfriend tried to spot me like that I'd be just a little wierded out.
^ insecure

Beast
04-20-2006, 09:39 PM
Awesome strength!

fixationdarknes
04-20-2006, 09:59 PM
...yeah, don't go around making big bold statements unless you're ACTUALLY correct. Yet another reassurance that most squat claims are false.

May sound a bit harsh, but this is true and I'm just sick of people who claim they can squat X amount (not referring to you) when they are really actually busting out quarter squats.

Bohizzle
04-21-2006, 09:04 AM
^ insecure
:withstupi when i'm squatting near failure, and am not gunna drop the bar, i'd rather have somebody close that can actually help get the weight up. however, he didn't need to get in there til the end of the set just in case.

ANdrew

Meat_Head
04-21-2006, 01:08 PM
i'd rather have somebody close that can actually help get the weight up. however, he didn't need to get in there til the end of the set just in case.

ANdrew

Ya sounds like you disagree completely :rolleyes:

Bohizzle
04-21-2006, 01:48 PM
i don't care whether it's a male or female getting in that close when i'm near failure, i don't worry about "looking gay" or worry if somebody's gunna laugh. If i can't get the weight up near the end of my set, i want whoever's spotting me to get right behind me and get the weight up. However, i don't want them there throughout the whole set, as it may interfere with my squatting (with their knees hitting my butt, and so on)...

Andrew

Canadian Crippler
04-21-2006, 02:12 PM
Why not just drop in on the safety pins?

Bohizzle
04-21-2006, 02:15 PM
i've done that as well, but i'd rather just have a spotter and finish the rep. i psych myself out of squats without a spot even though i have the safety pins.. don't know why... might be the fact that i'm fooling myself into thinking i'd get trapped under the bar and die lol

Andrew

deeder
04-21-2006, 03:50 PM
^ insecure

Naw... Not insecure... I don't really have a reply to this I guess. I just wouldn't like another man behind me like that while I was squatting.

I actually prefer squatting without spotters... If I can't finish a rep (which rarely happens) I drop it on the pins.

Meat_Head
04-21-2006, 05:07 PM
The powerrack is a good workout partner... strong as ****, so there's constant motivation, and never misses a spot :D

Eszekial
04-21-2006, 05:13 PM
great work.

Ditch the spotter.

Slim Schaedle
04-21-2006, 06:38 PM
Naw... Not insecure... I don't really have a reply to this I guess. I just wouldn't like another man behind me like that while I was squatting.

I actually prefer squatting without spotters... If I can't finish a rep (which rarely happens) I drop it on the pins.
If you are weirded out by having another guy, or even female, close behind you like that, then you are insecure with that.

It's not really a big deal, no matter what your sexual preference is.


That's all I am saying.

(on a personal note, I would prefer someone behind me when squatting heavy. Besides safety reasons, failure on my reps symbolizes failing them as well, in my mind. I am also straight, btw)

d'Anconia
04-21-2006, 08:50 PM
You know, you guys had been talking about how deep he was going... I think he's seen the video and is aware of his depth.

Unreal
04-21-2006, 09:36 PM
I don't see the need for a spotter. When I do deep squats I'm only 2-3" above the squat rack sidebars. Worse case if i get stuck in the whole which I've done, is I go down another 2".

Other then that, impressive video. I couldn't do that. I did 5x295 today and thought I was going to die.

Chris Rodgers
04-23-2006, 07:25 PM
Naw... Not insecure... I don't really have a reply to this I guess. I just wouldn't like another man behind me like that while I was squatting.

I actually prefer squatting without spotters... If I can't finish a rep (which rarely happens) I drop it on the pins.


If you had personally paid $400-$500 for the bar you were squatting with you wouldn't do that.

His spotter was a little too close for my liking, but better than squatting heavy with no spot. Side spotters are great.


Great lift kid. I don't remember him claiming to squat 405x5 ATF. That is deeper than I see most gym-goers squat with much less weight. As the others have mentioned, work on your form. Go lighter and work on sitting back more and getting your hammies more involved. Once you get better at this you'll notice your shins stay more upright and that it will be easier to hit depth(when the knees go forward you have to get the hips even lower to break parallel). Good luck with it.