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AlecB
05-17-2006, 08:30 AM
Hey I got a question for the WBB nutrition experts -

Ive heard that eating carbs before bed helps you gain mass cause it gets converted to fat. Is this true for "clean" carbs like a bowl of steamed white rice or just junk food like chips and cookies? I think rice is really low cal so am I actually gonna gain with this or just fill my belly? Would I be better off eating something high cal or high protein? Eggs? Tuna?

Thanks for the help.

Davidelmo
05-17-2006, 08:38 AM
High protein will be better than high sugar ANY time of day IMO ;)

FighterInSnatch
05-17-2006, 09:03 AM
Cottage cheese, peanut butter, a little milk or a protein shake. Pick.

Slim Schaedle
05-17-2006, 09:41 AM
Hey I got a question for the WBB nutrition experts -

Ive heard that eating carbs before bed helps you gain mass cause it gets converted to fat. Is this true for "clean" carbs like a bowl of steamed white rice or just junk food like chips and cookies? I think rice is really low cal so am I actually gonna gain with this or just fill my belly? Would I be better off eating something high cal or high protein? Eggs? Tuna?

Thanks for the help.
It is not written in stone that carbohydrate consumption before bed leads directly to fatty acid production.

Both "clean" carbohydrate and "junk food" can be coverted to fat.

"High cal" is going to be dependant on serving size, since carbohydrate and protein are similar in kCals.

HILL
05-17-2006, 09:55 AM
before bed you really want protein and preferably a longer digesting protein like casein from cottage cheese however i just have whey protein

SaVvY
05-17-2006, 11:58 AM
rice is not low in kcals - brown rice is better than white

carbs are needed before bed as you need energy even to sleep, an its a long time your asleep for without food - slow digesting protein and carbs are best - i like to eat a medium size bowl of oatmeal, cooked with a lot of skimmed milk, an then add some cottage cheese in

they will only get converted into fat if you eat too much at once - if your worried about that happening just half it an eat twice

AlecB
05-17-2006, 09:51 PM
good advice yall. Thanks!

for what its worth, I didnt eat any rice right before bed. Had 2 eggs, a beer and a ton of peanut butter. I just woke up and I gotta take a massive **** so thank you and goodbye.

HILL
05-18-2006, 03:24 AM
savvy i agree with your first part to a point but how will something get converted into fat if you eat to much at once. i was under the impression it was based on total cals. Then these cals being above your maintanance.

Mercuryblade
05-18-2006, 03:26 AM
but how will something get converted into fat if you eat to much at once.

http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=69671

It's all there.

Holto
05-18-2006, 09:49 AM
carbs are needed before bed as you need energy even to sleep

You nailed it with the term energy.

Energy is needed even while sleeping and a bodybuilder who is growing will need quite a bit.

The best source of energy before sleep is fat. We sleep too long for carbs to be ideal.

SaVvY
05-18-2006, 12:18 PM
savvy i agree with your first part to a point but how will something get converted into fat if you eat to much at once. i was under the impression it was based on total cals. Then these cals being above your maintanance.
nah its not based on total kcals, calories are units of energy, you use them during the day in everything you do, the food gets used as you go along, they dont get together and create a total at the end of the day haha its not powerlifting

if you ate a load of cookies all at once for instance, this type of food is a sprinter, its sugary, fatty - not the kind of food that takes a long time to be digested - in this case basically whats happened is you have overloaded, thus causing the body to store some of the food as body fat

same can happen with any food depending on how much you have / how much your in need of

emunah
05-18-2006, 07:37 PM
rice is not low in kcals - brown rice is better than white

carbs are needed before bed as you need energy even to sleep, an its a long time your asleep for without food - slow digesting protein and carbs are best - i like to eat a medium size bowl of oatmeal, cooked with a lot of skimmed milk, an then add some cottage cheese in

they will only get converted into fat if you eat too much at once - if your worried about that happening just half it an eat twice


No it won't. Fat storage from carb intake is rare:

Metabolism. 1982 Dec;31(12):1234-40. Related Articles, Links

Glycogen synthesis versus lipogenesis after a 500 gram carbohydrate meal in man.

Acheson KJ, Flatt JP, Jequier E.

The respiratory exchange and urinary nitrogen excretion of 6 healthy male subjects (age 21 +/- 1 yr; body weight 70 +/- 2 kg; means +/- SD) were followed for 10 hr after ingestion of a large amount of carbohydrates (CHO) in the form of bread, jam, and fruit juice, equivalent to 479 g of starch. Peak values for blood glucose (6.6 +/- 0.6 mM; mean +/- SEM) and plasma insulin (139 +/- 26 microU/ml) were reached after 90 min at which time the nonprotein respiratory quotient (NP-RQ) had risen to 0.97. During the next 8 hr glucose levels remained near 5.5 mM while insulin declined gradually to 22 +/- 7 microU/ml. The average NP-RQ remained in the range of 0.91 to 0.98, though individual values exceeding 1.0 for very short periods were observed. The increase in energy expenditure above basal rates corresponded to a specific dynamic action (SDA) of 5.9 +/- 0.6%. Assuming the CHO load to be completely absorbed after 5 hr, and allowing for glucose oxidation calculated from the gas exchange data, the glycogen content of the subject's body tissue had then increased by 408 +/- 19 g. During the 10 hr after the meal, 133 g CHO, 17 g fat and 29 g protein were oxidized, providing respectively 66%, 19% and 15% of caloric expenditure, and leaving a gain in glycogen stores estimated at 346 +/- 12 g. The data imply that: (1) The capacity for glycogen storage in man in larger than generally believed, and (2) Fat synthesis from CHO will not exceed fat oxidation after one high-carbohydrate meal, even if it is uncommonly large. When a single high-carbohydrate meal is consumed, dietary CHO merely has the effect of reducing the rate of fat oxidation. These findings challenge the common perception that conversion of CHO to fat is an important pathway for the retention of dietary energy and for the accumulation of body fat.

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Am J Clin Nutr. 1988 Aug;48(2):240-7. Related Articles, Links

Glycogen storage capacity and de novo lipogenesis during massive carbohydrate overfeeding in man.

Acheson KJ, Schutz Y, Bessard T, Anantharaman K, Flatt JP, Jequier E.

Institute of Physiology, Faculty of Medicine, University of Lausanne, Switzerland.

The metabolic balance method was performed on three men to investigate the fate of large excesses of carbohydrate. Glycogen stores, which were first depleted by diet (3 d, 8.35 +/- 0.27 MJ [1994 +/- 65 kcal] decreasing to 5.70 +/- 1.03 MJ [1361 +/- 247 kcal], 15% protein, 75% fat, 10% carbohydrate) and exercise, were repleted during 7 d carbohydrate overfeeding (11% protein, 3% fat, and 86% carbohydrate) providing 15.25 +/- 1.10 MJ (3642 +/- 263 kcal) on the first day, increasing progressively to 20.64 +/- 1.30 MJ (4930 +/- 311 kcal) on the last day of overfeeding. Glycogen depletion was again accomplished with 2 d of carbohydrate restriction (2.52 MJ/d [602 kcal/d], 85% protein, and 15% fat). Glycogen storage capacity in man is approximately 15 g/kg body weight and can accommodate a gain of approximately 500 g before net lipid synthesis contributes to increasing body fat mass. When the glycogen stores are saturated, massive intakes of carbohydrate are disposed of by high carbohydrate-oxidation rates and substantial de novo lipid synthesis (150 g lipid/d using approximately 475 g CHO/d) without postabsorptive hyperglycemia.

Slim Schaedle
05-18-2006, 07:46 PM
Fat storage from carb intake is rare:
Rare, huh?


You used a study from 1982, and one from 1988 which included subjects being carbohydrate/glycogen depleted in order to affirm this?

D Breyer
05-18-2006, 08:34 PM
Yeah man try reading the whole study before you post it trying to prove something.

Slim Schaedle
05-18-2006, 08:40 PM
Yeah man try reading the whole study before you post it trying to prove something.
Emunah might be a female.