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laxguy1028
05-19-2006, 05:05 PM
I came across an article on the crossfit website about overhead squats.
http://danjohn.org/overhead.html
I am an athlete and i never see anyone doing them, i am wondering what you guys think about them and if they would be valuable to add to my workout to help me gain power and strength.

Anthony
05-19-2006, 05:35 PM
They make you an animal.

ddegroff
05-20-2006, 12:12 AM
Did them for the first time today. Worked muscles I didn't know I had. Awesome lift!

Goodwinm
05-20-2006, 03:09 AM
the reason you never see anyone doing them is cuz they are damn hard! especially to do with a heavy weight!
Try doing a bodyweight overhead squat. Will mince your shoulders.

JustLost
05-20-2006, 07:12 AM
If you survive the initial ego bruising, they're awesome!

Stumprrp
05-20-2006, 07:40 AM
overhead squats are one of THE BEST exersizes for the whole body, my friend does them and actually crapped out at 95 lbs, at the floor, but he did them again and did it for 5, they also strengthen the shoulders like mad.

Sensei
05-20-2006, 07:56 AM
I think they are a great exercise, but I don't think you need them necessarily. They require quite a bit of flexibility, balance, and strength (and dead-on form). OH SQs could probably help you tighten up your form on regular squats.

They're fun though - give them a shot.

ddegroff
05-20-2006, 10:58 AM
^my very first rep I almost lost my balance, they are fun once you get a hang of it.

SkinnySadMan
05-20-2006, 07:22 PM
When I tried them I couldn't balance at all...then I got * a bit * better at them. lol, I must say it feels manly to squat with a barbell overhead. Now, only if I had big plates on the bar...

erik-the-red
05-20-2006, 07:31 PM
I tried doing them. I picked up the barbell, raised it over my head, and tried to go down. I failed miserably.

Jinkies
05-20-2006, 10:36 PM
that article gives me a goosebumps, makes this lift seem godly

BigRic
05-22-2006, 09:54 PM
They are godly. If you can overhead squat your bodyweight you are a god.

ShockBoxer
05-22-2006, 10:07 PM
I overhead squat.... the oly. That is all. A 45 pound bar has no right feeling that heavy. I love them and am just trying to find a good day to work them in.

Jinkies
05-23-2006, 09:18 AM
I tried a few reps with light weight, took it easy out of fear of making an ass of my self in a crowded gym. It seems pretty good and it takes more form then anything but what got me was it didnt seem i was going low enough cause my arms were fully extended even though i was past parallel.

jazer80
05-23-2006, 09:35 AM
they rule. i have been incorporating lots of crossfit stuff lately, and actually just making **** up as i go.

i've been doing made up routines for time, i use overhead squats in one, but when i'm fully squatted, i bring the bar down and do a full military bb press, then when it's fully overhead i stand back up.

Sensei
05-23-2006, 10:49 AM
Anyone up for a overhead squat max contest for best % of or over bodyweight? I might be game to give it a shot later this week or early next week.

No way to verify it unless everyone can video their attempts - we'll have to be on the honor-system.

Meat_Head
05-23-2006, 10:53 AM
I'm in! I'll get someone to take camera phone pics or something if I can.

MixmasterNash
05-23-2006, 10:59 AM
Anyone up for a overhead squat max contest for best % of or over bodyweight? I might be game to give it a shot later this week or early next week.

No way to verify it unless everyone can video their attempts - we'll have to be on the honor-system.

I did a broomstick overhead squat for the first time a few weeks ago!
-- proud loser of contest

RickTheDestroyer
05-23-2006, 11:11 AM
I was doing 50% of bodyweight for sets five when I was doing these consistently... although I doubt my 1RM would be much more than that. I think that puts me in 2nd to last place for the time being...
I need to start on these again.

jazer80
05-23-2006, 11:28 AM
no thanks, i wouldn't attempt anything in the 1-3 rep range for maxing until i've played with it longer. way too dangerous for me cuz my form isn't there yet, i'll break my damn shoulders or something haha.

BigRic
05-23-2006, 11:58 AM
My problem with overhead squats is keeping my arms locked out. I always have a slight bend in them. Cause I can't hold the bar if my arms are locked feels like to much pressure on my shoulders.

jazer80
05-23-2006, 12:01 PM
i also keep them slightly bent. so slightly you probably can't tell by looking, but i usually keep a little bend in many things like flyes, forward db raises, lateral db raises, etc

BigRic
05-23-2006, 01:31 PM
Flyes and things like that a slight arm bend is normal but I believe in OH Squats your arms are supposed to be locked overhead. Unfortuneatly I don't have the flexibility in my shoulders to do this.

jazer80
05-23-2006, 01:51 PM
damn looks like i'll be cheating. maybe when my form gets better i'll lock out, but now it defintiley doesn't feel how i want it to when i lock out

Meat_Head
05-23-2006, 04:53 PM
Keep practicing, flexibility and form improves with time. Eventually it'll 'click' into place.

I'm going for 135lbs in a little bit, we'll see how it goes!

Sensei
05-23-2006, 05:36 PM
Your arms should be locked. It should be a little easier if you widen your hands to a snatch grip. If the bar gets too far in front or behind you, it's best to just dump it rather than kill yourself trying to save it.

You can limber up for the exercise by doing dislocates or partial dislocates w. a broomstick or the empty bar.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/johnnymnemonic/exercise%20pics/rotatorcuff047.jpghttp://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/johnnymnemonic/exercise%20pics/rotatorcuff048.jpghttp://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/johnnymnemonic/exercise%20pics/rotatorcuff049.jpghttp://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/johnnymnemonic/exercise%20pics/rotatorcuff050.jpg

SkinnySadMan
05-23-2006, 06:38 PM
Sensei would win the contest... sorry for the spoilers.

Anyways we should try to include a video.

Sensei
05-23-2006, 06:54 PM
I don't know about that... I'm 100% certain I couldn't do more than bdwt, if that...

Rex
05-23-2006, 07:08 PM
One of my training goals for 06 is a Bodyweight OH Squat. Also I'm talking a full atf oh squat. It makes a huge difference.

Unfortunately I haven't really been training the movement hard. And when I was training the OH Squat it was with pretty light weights.

Anyway, if we're talking a full ATF OH Squat I'm in.

Sensei
05-23-2006, 07:14 PM
Other threads we've had about OH Squats:

http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=70709

http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=66782

Rex
05-23-2006, 07:35 PM
Yeah, that's the kind of depth I'm talking about!

How much do you weigh Sensei?

On Wednesday I'll work up to a max set on the OH Squat before my OH press to see what I can get.

Sensei
05-23-2006, 07:39 PM
I weigh about 195-200 usually.

Edit: How about we make a separate thread for this in the PL/OL forum?

Rex
05-23-2006, 07:45 PM
That's a good idea.

If you're able to get 135 x 5 @ 200 I'm going to need a minor miracle though!

jazer80
05-23-2006, 07:49 PM
Your arms should be locked. It should be a little easier if you widen your hands to a snatch grip. If the bar gets too far in front or behind you, it's best to just dump it rather than kill yourself trying to save it.

You can limber up for the exercise by doing dislocates or partial dislocates w. a broomstick or the empty bar.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/johnnymnemonic/exercise%20pics/rotatorcuff047.jpghttp://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/johnnymnemonic/exercise%20pics/rotatorcuff048.jpghttp://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/johnnymnemonic/exercise%20pics/rotatorcuff049.jpghttp://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/johnnymnemonic/exercise%20pics/rotatorcuff050.jpg
i'm sure i know the answer to this, but if i had/have rotator cuff issues, i should probably err on the side of safety and keep em bent?

jazer80
05-23-2006, 07:50 PM
One of my training goals for 06 is a Bodyweight OH Squat. Also I'm talking a full atf oh squat. It makes a huge difference.

Unfortunately I haven't really been training the movement hard. And when I was training the OH Squat it was with pretty light weights.

Anyway, if we're talking a full ATF OH Squat I'm in.
haha i didn't know anythign but atf was even acknowledged around these parts...

Sensei
05-23-2006, 07:52 PM
i'm sure i know the answer to this, but if i had/have rotator cuff issues, i should probably err on the side of safety and keep em bent?
IMO, if you have current rotator issues you should err on the side of staying away from heavy OH SQs until they are resolved.

Natetaco
05-25-2006, 03:18 PM
I got 135. Holy cow iv never tried those but man its hard to balance!

jazer80
05-26-2006, 07:58 AM
IMO, if you have current rotator issues you should err on the side of staying away from heavy OH SQs until they are resolved.
i've had the same issue for like 7 or 8 years. i never got the surgery, and stupid things **** it up (like throwing a baseball hard without remembering i can't do that with full strength).

i can do heavy military pressing, but i think i'm in much more control of my joints in that move compared to overhead bb squats.

it's cool i can still do them, just can't compete with you guys or anything (plus i'm kind of trying to get a high max on 1 armed 'snatch'? i can't remmebver it's the one where you pull the db from the floor to overhead / elbow locked in one smooth motion. clean and jerk? damn i'm tired)

jazer80
05-26-2006, 07:59 AM
I got 135. Holy cow iv never tried those but man its hard to balance!
?!!!!!!! so what happened when you added those tiny 5 plates to each side? don't tell me ya got so close to bodyweight without trying to hit it?

Meat_Head
05-26-2006, 11:19 AM
I have ALOT of trouble believing you hit a full overhead squat 10lbs from bodyweight on your first try...

Goodwinm
05-26-2006, 04:56 PM
man if id have tried 135 first try i think id have damged myself forever.
I had to warm up with just the bar first (22lbs) and then put another 22lbs on to make 44lbs. Just to get the ball rolling and get the idea of it all....

Here look at this guy.. 185 x 5 on OH squats!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qtU2oJnoSc

Meat_Head
05-26-2006, 06:04 PM
Finally got around to doing these today, went like this:

45x10
65x8
115x5
135x3
155x2 atf! :strong:

jazer80
05-26-2006, 07:24 PM
Finally got around to doing these today, went like this:

45x10
65x8
115x5
135x3
155x2 atf! :strong:
haha ****ing killer

jazer80
05-26-2006, 07:25 PM
man if id have tried 135 first try i think id have damged myself forever.
I had to warm up with just the bar first (22lbs) and then put another 22lbs on to make 44lbs. Just to get the ball rolling and get the idea of it all....

Here look at this guy.. 185 x 5 on OH squats!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qtU2oJnoSc
jesus it looks like he is gonna snap his arms backwards. damn my form is crap compared to that.