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Jinkies
05-20-2006, 10:57 AM
Lots of people talk about if you use a belt you wont strengthen your lower back but i dont understand how a belt is going to inhibit it from getting worked. A leather belt doesnt take the pressure of 500 pounds off. I was hopin someone would explain it to me im still a noobie in many aspects so im trying to see if i should use them or not ( concidered using them for entire squat routine since i got hurt.)

Hazerboy
05-20-2006, 11:04 AM
A belt keeps your core tight, that is its purpose. Usually it can help you lift a marginal amount of weight more during squats, deadlifts, and most likely other lifts. Some believe that it is the equivalent of using straps while doing deadlifts - you're using some sort of *crutch* while lifting, and as a result your core will not get stronger.

How much will your belt actually hamper your development? Who knows. Most likely you're probably right - wearing a belt will not suddenly get you to lift 500 pounds, and thus it can't strengthen you that mutch. This is for sure though: Although it may help you lift more weight, it's not going to help you get any stronger than if you weren't wearing a belt, so for that reason I only use it while maxing. Personally I stay away from all equipment unless I'm maxing, simply because I train for a sport. I'm not going to be able to wear a belt or straps in a wrestling match.

biggimp
05-20-2006, 02:03 PM
wearing a belt takes strain off your core. it basically keeps your core tight for you. therefore if you wear it everytime you squat and deadlift, your core will never get worked, and yes it WILL get weaker. only use a belt when doing heavy double and singles.

Hephaestus
05-22-2006, 01:50 PM
yeah i cant imagine lifting without them because of the strain...plus it protects your kidneys from poppin out hernias or whatever

Phelon
05-22-2006, 02:47 PM
I wear a belt only on heavy lifts, that involve my back. I see people starting out wearing it, from the warm up to the end. I laugh...



hahaha....

WillKuenzel
05-22-2006, 02:53 PM
wearing a belt takes strain off your core. it basically keeps your core tight for you. therefore if you wear it everytime you squat and deadlift, your core will never get worked, and yes it WILL get weaker. only use a belt when doing heavy double and singles.

I use a belt as a tool. I put the belt on loosely and learn to push against the belt when lifting. I pull in air and push my abs out agains the belt. This helps to build up the internal pressure that stabilizes the core for heavy lifting.

Its not a safety device that people think it is. You can't get it tight enough to prevent anything from happening. If you are going to blow your back out, the belt won't stop it. It help a little for that purpose but you'll find that more often than not, it won't help.

drew
05-22-2006, 03:41 PM
I use a belt as a tool. I put the belt on loosely and learn to push against the belt when lifting. I pull in air and push my abs out agains the belt. This helps to build up the internal pressure that stabilizes the core for heavy lifting.

Its not a safety device that people think it is. You can't get it tight enough to prevent anything from happening. If you are going to blow your back out, the belt won't stop it. It help a little for that purpose but you'll find that more often than not, it won't help.
:withstupi

Basically, that's exactly what I was going to say.

WBBIRL
05-22-2006, 05:37 PM
I dont use a belt, dont see the need. I work on my back and have a nice strong core. I almost bombed a squat and had to GM it back up to the rack... it was a 315lb GM and I dont do GM's at all. I would attribute that to having a strong core.

HeavyBomber
05-22-2006, 08:25 PM
No offense to anyone but these belt questions and debates have been beaten into the ground on every weight lifting board on the internet. There will be no answers that satisfy those that disagree. It's almost like a political debate.

Jinkies
05-22-2006, 08:34 PM
a political debate is opinion, theres got to be a fact to what the belt actually does and rather or not it hinders core strength.

jtteg_x
05-23-2006, 02:07 AM
use it on heavy sets/PR's

WillKuenzel
05-23-2006, 06:01 AM
Weight lifting belt use patterns among a population of health club members. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12930176&query_hl=6&itool=pubmed_docsum)

Effects of abdominal belts on intra-abdominal pressure, intra-muscular pressure in the erector spinae muscles and myoelectrical activities of trunk muscles. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10619094&query_hl=9&itool=pubmed_docsum)

Trunk muscle use during pulling tasks: effects of a lifting belt and footing conditions. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=9579110&query_hl=9&itool=pubmed_docsum)

The effect of lifting belt use on multijoint motion and load bearing during repetitive and asymmetric lifting. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=9493771&query_hl=9&itool=pubmed_docsum)

Biomechanical assessment of lifting dynamics, muscle activity and spinal loads while using three different styles of lifting belt. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11415679&query_hl=9&itool=pubmed_docsum)

The effectiveness of weight-belts during multiple repetitions of the squat exercise. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=1533266&query_hl=9&itool=pubmed_docsum)

Effects of a belt on intra-abdominal pressure during weight lifting. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=2709981&query_hl=9&itool=pubmed_docsum)


This doesn't really pertain to belts but was interesting enough:
Moderate resistance training volume produces more favorable strength gains than high or low volumes during a short-term training cycle. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16095427&query_hl=9&itool=pubmed_DocSum)



Okay, what can you gather from that?

For me it says, the belt helps increase intra-abdominal pressure that can help with relatively few reps but higher weight towards strength gains. Lower weight, higher volume work it does nothing for safety. It might aid in safety since it helps to increase IAP but I'm not going to bet on it.

Like I said from the get go, I use it as a tool. I don't use it for safety purposes. Before I started wearing a belt, I thought I was pushing my stomach out and pulling in a lot of air. With a loose belt on though I can really help to concentrate on it. Its a tool, not crutch.

Jinkies
05-23-2006, 09:15 AM
Im just not understanding if it really hinders core development, i never went without a belt for 2 years and then took it off and could squat the same weight. Many people claim that it hinders but like i was saying how can it take the pressure off 500 pounds off your stomach its just a belt, thats why i dont understand how it stops core development. Just hoping to clear this up for everyone