Deep thought for Wednesday ...

[Anthony]

If there is a rule that states "there is an exception to every rule," would it be fair to say the exception to that rule is a rule without exceptions?

[Daniel Clough]

sorry, to early for me :D

[Savannah]

UGH........
All this one did was bring back the headache I got over that ******ed "Why do people go to bed" riddle..........

Although I do kinda see the point to this thought! :)

[kat]

You just made my low-carb headache worse. ARRRGH!

[Buff]

ok, what I said was ******ed, so ignore me...

[Edited by Buff on 01-17-2001 at 11:43 AM]

[Buff]

Ok, I can't give up on this one... Yes it would be fair to say that because it's just an exception, not a rule!

[Sinep]

no logical answer to this one. ouch my head.

[billyjack]

circular logic ;)
round and round

[YatesNightBlade]

yes .. i think ..... owww ... No .... orrr .... Im not sure .. maybe .... I suppose ........ agggghhhhh my head (head explodes) ....

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

There wouldn't be a rule saying "there is an exception to every rule", that would be a statement. Statements don't necessarily have rules therefore they may be exceptions or there may not be exceptions. It all depends upon the context in which it was said. This wasn't stated in the original statement so my answer is no. :p

[Anthony]

Did you notice the first word?

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

I take it you are taking about 'If'. Yes i did.

You used bad english which your sentence simply because you can't have a rule which states "every rule has an exception." If that is all it says then it isn't a rule. It is a statement.

[Sinep]

Deep thought of friday..
If Chicken_Daddy is the father of a chicken, does it implies that Chicken_Daddy is a chicken? :D

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

I'm not a chicken, I'm a rooster :D :p

[Franco]

Rooster, I heard u were a cock:p

[Edited by FAngel on 02-10-2001 at 03:43 AM]

[Anthony]

state·ment (n.)

1. The act of stating or declaring.
2. Something stated; a declaration.
3. Law. A formal pleading.
4. An abstract of a commercial or financial account showing an amount due; a bill.
5. A monthly report sent to a debtor or bank depositor.
6. Computer Science. An elementary instruction in a source language.

Synonyms of LAW:
rule
commandment
regulation
decree
act
edict
ruling
bylaw
directive

So, The_Chicken_Daddy, now that we've had our English lesson for the day, please explain how my English was incorrect or poor ("You used bad english which your sentence" would be incorrect English, btw).

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

Anthony, you have twisted the dictionary for your own benefit. (this would not hold up in a court of law)

Statements are made in the field of law.

Law invloves rule.

This has nothing to do with the point in question.

Written down "There is an exception to every rule" would not be a rule, it would be a statement, hence, your bad english.

[Anthony]

I haven't twisted anything - I have presented ACTUAL definitions of the word STATEMENT.

A law/rule can be presented as a statement (they are, in fact, synonyms - I can type the defintion of SYNONYM if you have difficulty with 3 syllable words - oops, there's another one!), and this does not detract from the validity of the law/rule (how could it?) - so I'm not quite sure what your argument is.

I appreciate the attempt at a decent debate, but you'll have to prepare your argument better than that if you wish to make any ground.

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

Is someone getting worked up?

I think i see tempers flairing!!....

Anthony, you haven't really got a clue have you?

I had a lot of respect for you until you tried to be clever and start this post and you have shown me that you aren't as clever as i pitted you for.

You are babbling on about laws and rules when it is alot simpler than that.

Now pay attention this time:

"There is an exception to every rule"

Look at that sentence for a bit. There would not be a rule saying this. This is clearly written as a statement.

If it were a rule it would be written differently such as:

"make an exception to every rule" etc...

The sentence "There is an exception to every rule" is saying it.

My example sentence: "make an exception to every rule" is telling it, hence making it a rule.

Do you understand now?

There is no need to go into pointless law crap and dictionary patter...

[chris mason]

The answer is yes. If the rule is, "There is an exception to every rule!" then that rule dictates that it has an exception which would read something like this, "Except for the rule of.....". That rule being the exception to the rule that every rule has an exception would be the rule that did not have an exception or, a rule without exceptions.

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

Chris: i am not arguing that point.

I am arguing that "there is an exception to every rule" is written as a statement and not as a rule.

[Anthony]

"Is someone getting worked up?"
- No, do you sense hostility?

"I think i see tempers flairing!!...."
- Perhaps your ability to determine attitude from a sentence should be reexamined, since I was actually amused while I was typing my last response (as I am with this one!). PS – it’s “flaring.”

"Anthony, you haven't really got a clue have you?"
- Why yes, yes I have. Do you?

"I had a lot of respect for you until you tried to be clever and start this post and you have shown me that you aren't as clever as i pitted you for."
- Regardless of what you think of me (which makes absolutely no difference in my day to day living as the amount of time I spend thinking about this will be the amount of time it takes to type a response), I was not trying to be clever with this post. It is a phrase I find amusing and wanted to share it with everyone. Obviously it wasn't enjoyed as much as I would have liked. Shame.

"You are babbling on about laws and rules when it is alot simpler than that."
- A lot is two words. If you want to argue semantics with me be sure you have the background to do so.

"Now pay attention this time: 'There is an exception to every rule' Look at that sentence for a bit. There would not be a rule saying this."
- And why not? Perhaps it doesn't suit your fancy? Maybe we should discuss it with the creator of this rule, and ask him to reword it to appease you. Maybe, "Every rule has an exception" would sound better to your ears? It really doesn't matter.

"This is clearly written as a statement."
- I think I clearly demonstrated what a statement is in an earlier post. Perhaps your ability to retain what you read isn't properly developed yet. Let me reiterate - a definition of the word "statement" is "a law."

"If it were a rule it would be written differently such as:
'make an exception to every rule' etc..."
- Actually, how the rule is written doesn't bother me so much, as long as the true meaning has not been change. With the introduction of the word "make," you are changing the entire structure of the original statement (read law), by implying that one should create an exception to every rule, even if there isn't one. The original text clearly stated (read statement, law): "there is an exception to every rule." There is no room for argument in that statement (read law) and no one is responsible to make anything because it already exists. Again, how it is worded is not as important as the actual meaning - and the meaning should be quite clear - even to you.

"The sentence 'There is an exception to every rule' is saying it. My example sentence: 'make an exception to every rule' is telling it, hence making it a rule."
- I think you are confused with the meanings of say and tell, because they are actually very similar (they are both verbs and they are both ways of communicating). Let me know and I will post the definitions for both of them. In the meantime, I would be interested in seeing an actually dictionary definition from your world on what these two words mean. Perhaps then I will better understand the point you are trying to make. However, regardless of their meanings, it's very amusing you think one only "says" it (almost as a whimper) and the other "TELLS" it with a voice that is strong and clear "hence making it a rule!" Honestly, I laughed out loud at this.

"Do you understand now?"
- I have understood from the beginning. The question is, are you able to read and then understand what you have read? If so, it should be painfully clear that you are indeed wrong and your argument makes absolutely no sense in any other world but your own.

"There is no need to go into pointless law crap and dictionary patter..."
- When you are arguing semantics, there is plenty reason to consult the dictionary. Now go study, college boy.

"I am arguing that 'there is an exception to every rule' is written as a statement and not as a rule."
- When you realize that "statement" and "rule" can actually be defined as the same thing, THEN you will understand that your argument is ridiculous!

The original question was rhetoric. It answered itself. Chris is correct. You are incorrect.

[Sinep]

I can't believe how you guys can argue over NOTHING! lol

[Chris Rodgers]

You guys lost me a long time ago! Who cares anyway?

[Dabomber]

Law as in political can be defined as the "statement,theory which once was a bill and passed by legislature body of government."
so it's same thing... Just think LAW ans matured statement.. or rule..

It's just same as in Science.. Let's just think about law of conservation of energy.. It's the law which matured from HYPOTHESIS which is statement.. =).... i dont know if i'm just babbling here..

[Savannah]

This was so funny to read it actually brought tears to my eyes!

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

Originally posted by Anthony



"If it were a rule it would be written differently such as:
'make an exception to every rule' etc..."
- Actually, how the rule is written doesn't bother me so much, as long as the true meaning has not been change.

** By saying this you have just backed up my argument. I ain't arguing the meaning anthony, i am arguing that written down "There is an exception to every rule" is written as a statement.(and don't go into your dictionary crap again cause it's getting you nowhere.)

[an example] Think of it like this: Rules are written to keep people on 'the straight and narrow', hence telling them what they can or can't do. The sentence "there is an exception to every rule" is not telling people what they can or can't do, it is merely stating that "there is an exception to every rule". This is not written as a rule.



"However, regardless of their meanings, it's very amusing you think one only "says" it (almost as a whimper) and the other "TELLS" it with a voice that is strong and clear "hence making it a rule!" Honestly, I laughed out loud at this.

** if you laugh out load at this, then you must lead a very boring life indeed...

I have understood from the beginning. The question is, are you able to read and then understand what you have read? If so, it should be painfully clear that you are indeed wrong and your argument makes absolutely no sense in any other world but your own.

** If you actually took the time to read properly and not think that you have already won this argument, you will see that you seem to be arguing a completely different point to me. Re-read all of my replies and you will see.

THEN you will understand that your argument is ridiculous!

** Hey, you started it bro.

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

Originally posted by Anthony


"When you realize that "statement" and "rule" can actually be defined as the same thing


So Anthony, you are saying that 'statement' and 'rule' are the same thing.

Example of rule: "Do not run up the staircase."

Example of statement: "I ran up the stair case."

These are two completely different styles of sentence.

Now do you see why your dictionary patter is of no use in this argument? Dictionaries just give several words that are related to the key word.

And i hope, for the love of God, that you can see that you are arguing a different point to me...

[Anthony]

"By saying this you have just backed up my argument. I ain't arguing the meaning anthony, i am arguing that written down "There is an exception to every rule" is written as a statement.(and don't go into your dictionary crap again cause it's getting you nowhere.) [an example] Think of it like this: Rules are written to keep people on 'the straight and narrow', hence telling them what they can or can't do. The sentence "there is an exception to every rule" is not telling people what they can or can't do, it is merely stating that "there is an exception to every rule". This is not written as a rule."
- There is an exception to every rule. That is a rule, that is a statement, that is a law. Not all laws instruct people what to do. You are thinking strictly in terms of regulation and control - and since you are limited to thinking inside the box you completely missed the point. Take for example, Newton's 3rd law: "To every force in nature there is corresponding reaction force." Is that a rule, a law, a statement? Yes it is! All three! Yet it instructs nothing! You tell me not to consult the dictionary, but I think that's exactly what you need to do ... perhaps it will broaden your understanding of the words you argue against.

"if you laugh out load at this, then you must lead a very boring life indeed..."
- I live a very fulfilling life. The time we spend here is too short to be bored. Anyone who experiences boredom has a lack of an imagination.

"If you actually took the time to read properly and not think that you have already won this argument, you will see that you seem to be arguing a completely different point to me. Re-read all of my replies and you will see."
- I have read your replies. But I have yet to see anything that makes sense from you.

"Hey, you started it bro."
- I posted the original text, but I believe it was you who challenged what I said. So don't be childish and point the finger at me while crying to mommy, "he started it!"

[Frankster]

WEIN WEIN big babies :D , j/k

[Cackerot69]

listen...

the exception of the exception of the rule eventually turns out to except the law of being excepted when clearly not having been stated. so, in fact the rule has an exception of having 1 or more exceptions to get an exceptance in the law of exceptance.

[Frankster]

ahhahaahha

[Savannah]

Geez......
I wanted to add to this at one point, however my brain doesn't function in the same manner as some of you lads:)
All I can say is that you 3 (cack, Anthony, and Chicken_Daddy) are the execption to my so called laws!
:)