Fat Burning Pills!!

[BobTheBuilder]

Hey, I was just curious about fat burning pills. I weigh around 230lb now, down from 238lb about a month ago, I have been going to the gym 4 times a week doing heavy lifting, eating in a caloric deficiet and doin some cardio. Do i really need fat burning pills? Do they help? What are side effects? If they are good, what are good ones to take?

Also if theres any other suggestions i would appreciate it, thanks for reading.

[Holto]

They help me with energy and hunger.

I say stay away from them if you are succeeding now, which it appears you are.

After a while if cutting becomes more "difficult" perhaps you could add them in.

[Fat Man]

How far are you into your cut/weight loss plan.

I went and bought EC, but I dont plan to take it until I hit a plateau.

[MagnaSephiroth]

I have been taking Green Tea fat burning pills for about a month and a half - 2 months now, and I feel fine. I have a lower appitite, which is good. Although I'm wondering if I should go up to a stronger fat burning pill...

[korexite]

appetite suppression , energy, increased metabolism

Thermorexin
Pure EC

[Eszekial]

I have used
Pure EC
ErgoPharm Amp
THermocin from Atlarge
Hot Rox

ALl of them worked well except for hot rox.

I'd go with the EC stack to be honest.

[MagnaSephiroth]

I have used
Pure EC
ErgoPharm Amp
THermocin from Atlarge
Hot Rox

ALl of them worked well except for hot rox.

I'd go with the EC stack to be honest.

Whats the price of these things?

[Holto]

Although I'm wondering if I should go up to a stronger fat burning pill...

There is no such thing as a fat burning pill.

They help with energy and appetite. If those two things are fine, just keep at it.

[powerrack]

There is no such thing as a fat burning pill.

They help with energy and appetite. If those two things are fine, just keep at it.

Good point, there is no such thing, I personally use some sort of e/c or other thermos i like only as a pre-workout boost. I find it more usefull for me to save it to allow for some intense workout sessions.

For most of us just heavy lifting and a solid diet will be the key to lose fat, however some find once they hit a wall in losing fat, if they take e/c/a stack or something similar a couple times a day it does help out in increasing the metabolism a bit and killing appetite a bit.

For myself personally I like my plan of saving the e/c or e/c/a or similar products for workout intensity purposes and just manipulate my diet when it comes time to lean out.

[SuperTerrorizer]

I'm on Lipo6 right now but I can't take a full dose. I did my 2 pills in the morning and my heart rate was really fast, I was sweating like crazy, and thought I was gonna pass out.

I can only handle taking 1 pill twice a day.

[korexite]

lipo6 is junk. as are any burners that have crappy guggulsterones in them.
there are a lot better burners without worthless and for some people harmful ingredients

[MagnaSephiroth]

Is it bad or does it really matter ifd you take fat burning pills on a bulk

[Holto]

Is it bad or does it really matter ifd you take fat burning pills on a bulk

Why would you?

[Built]

They can interfere with partitioning. Not good on a bulk.

[korexite]

They can interfere with partitioning. Not good on a bulk.


you dont like using burners on a bulk?

[Built]

I try to optimize partioning as best I can, so no.

[korexite]

I try to optimize partioning as best I can, so no.


I find that it improves partitioning, but that may just be me.

[PhilsterT]

What is partitioning?

[Unreal]

The use of macronutrients in your body.

[malkore]

and an example of trying to improve partitioning is eating carbs and protein post workout ,with no fats, because starchy/sugary carbs spike insulin, which helps you store nutrients, and you wanna store protein and glycogen, not fat.

[SpecialK]

They can interfere with partitioning. Not good on a bulk.

How? What exactly do they do that is undesirable?

[korexite]

How? What exactly do they do that is undesirable?


I personally find that with a good stim based fat burner, pure EC or thermorexin, you get better musculature and less fat gain, but thats just me

[Built]

They increase insulin resistance - good on a cut, lousy on a bulk.

[Jordanbcool]

They increase insulin resistance - good on a cut, lousy on a bulk.


Yup. You want insulin to be high, helps to build muscle from what I understand.

Fat burners mess with that.

EDIT: Ok what I meant was SENSITIVITY, for all of you that couldnt get that ;) I didnt think anyone would misunderstand me and think that fat burners can make or break insulin?? haha

[JimR]

Yup. You want insulin to be high, helps to build muscle from what I understand.

Fat burners mess with that.

Keep posting dude. You are hilarious. You should be a personal trainer for all the great advice you give.

[Built]

Fat burners don't change the amount of insulin released, as I understand it, but they affect the insulin sensitivity of your muscle cells.

A noteworthy exception here is yohimbine, which I understand is insulinemic.

[Jordanbcool]

Fat burners don't change the amount of insulin released, as I understand it, but they affect the insulin sensitivity of your muscle cells.


Uh isnt this what I said? :scratch:

Sensitivity would affect how muslces are built would they not?

The poster above you is a moron.

[Holto]

and an example of trying to improve partitioning is eating carbs and protein post workout ,with no fats, because starchy/sugary carbs spike insulin, which helps you store nutrients, and you wanna store protein and glycogen, not fat.

Thanks to people like Built for pointing it out but in actaulity it takes 24-48 hours to restore muscle gylcogen post workout. The PWO shake should do a good job of refilling hepatic glycogen because all the sugar passes through the liver via the portal veign.

It's your overall diet following a workout that will restore muscle glycogen.

[Built]

My understanding of the importance of the post workout dextrose/protein shake is that the insulin response blunts cortisol.

Glycogen replenishment, as holto stated, happens over the days that follow the workout, as you eat and digest food.

[Jordanbcool]

That pretty much sums up the whole concept of the "UD2 diet" :)

[Holto]

My understanding of the importance of the post workout dextrose/protein shake is that the insulin response blunts cortisol.

Do you take Vitamin C to help with the cortisol?

I have crystals that I usually add to my shake but have been forgetting.

[Jordanbcool]

Wouldnt vitamin C have a sort of frivolous affect on it..

[Holto]

Wouldnt vitamin C have a sort of frivolous affect on it..

Apparently it can lower serum levels of cortisol.

As for it being frivolous, 99% of the little things we do are frivolous.

IMO once you have your diet straight anything less than anabolics is frivolous.

[Jordanbcool]

IMO once you have your diet straight anything less than anabolics is frivolous.

Honestly I wouldnt call that opinion at all, more like hard cold fact.

[Holto]

Honestly I wouldnt call that opinion at all, more like hard cold fact.

Yep.

In the grand scheme of things all the little details don't make much difference. Even when added up. We do the little things out of supreme dedication.

Take the bodybuilders from the 70's that didn't take supplements or post workout shakes. They just pulled a Paul Stagg and went home and had dinner.

If total cals are present with sufficient protein and fat, growth occurs.

[SuperTerrorizer]

I noticed that Walmart is now selling a Xyience fat burner. It costs half of what I'm paying for Lipo6. I might switch.

[korexite]

xyience is a lot of hype and not much substance its the muscletech of the UFC. I like watching the UFC shows but the shameless promotion is a bit much, feels like I am watching "THE VIEW".

[CaLLmeAhNuLd]

id have to say animal cuts owns all

[chris mason]

Yep.

In the grand scheme of things all the little details don't make much difference. Even when added up. We do the little things out of supreme dedication.

Take the bodybuilders from the 70's that didn't take supplements or post workout shakes. They just pulled a Paul Stagg and went home and had dinner.

If total cals are present with sufficient protein and fat, growth occurs.


A) Bodybuilders from the 70s, if you are referring to anyone that someone would have heard of, did more than just eat dinner...

B) There are fat burning supplements. There are compounds which stimulate the body to preferentially burn fat for energy, or increase metabolism, or both.

Now, your general points I agree with.

[chris mason]

Oh, and Nitor owns all. For those that can handle it at full dose, nothing will get you more jacked (stimulated in a smooth sense, not jittery), and NOTHING will burn more fat.

[Holto]

A) Bodybuilders from the 70s, if you are referring to anyone that someone would have heard of, did more than just eat dinner...

So what did you guys do back then?


Oh, and Nitor owns all.

Yeah the reviews you guys are getting are unreal. I hope this product puts your company over the top.