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SpecialK
08-24-2006, 10:30 AM
Pluto gets the boot
Pluto no longer a planet, say astronomers

Thursday, August 24, 2006; Posted: 10:27 a.m. EDT (14:27 GMT)

PRAGUE, Czech Republic (AP) -- Leading astronomers declared Thursday that Pluto is no longer a planet under historic new guidelines that downsize the solar system from nine planets to eight.

After a tumultuous week of clashing over the essence of the cosmos, the International Astronomical Union stripped Pluto of the planetary status it has held since its discovery in 1930. The new definition of what is -- and isn't -- a planet fills a centuries-old black hole for scientists who have labored since Copernicus without one.

Although astronomers applauded after the vote, Jocelyn Bell Burnell -- a specialist in neutron stars from Northern Ireland who oversaw the proceedings -- urged those who might be "quite disappointed" to look on the bright side.

"It could be argued that we are creating an umbrella called 'planet' under which the dwarf planets exist," she said, drawing laughter by waving a stuffed Pluto of Walt Disney fame beneath a real umbrella.

The decision by the prestigious international group spells out the basic tests that celestial objects will have to meet before they can be considered for admission to the elite cosmic club.

For now, membership will be restricted to the eight "classical" planets in the solar system: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune.

Much-maligned Pluto doesn't make the grade under the new rules for a planet: "a celestial body that is in orbit around the sun, has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a ... nearly round shape, and has cleared the neighborhood around its orbit."

Pluto is automatically disqualified because its oblong orbit overlaps with Neptune's.

Instead, it will be reclassified in a new category of "dwarf planets," similar to what long have been termed "minor planets." The definition also lays out a third class of lesser objects that orbit the sun -- "small solar system bodies," a term that will apply to numerous asteroids, comets and other natural satellites.

It was unclear how Pluto's demotion might affect the mission of NASA's New Horizons spacecraft, which earlier this year began a 91/2-year journey to the oddball object to unearth more of its secrets.

The decision at a conference of 2,500 astronomers from 75 countries was a dramatic shift from just a week ago, when the group's leaders floated a proposal that would have reaffirmed Pluto's planetary status and made planets of its largest moon and two other objects. (Watch why some think planet size doesn't matter -- 3:39)

That plan proved highly unpopular, splitting astronomers into factions and triggering days of sometimes combative debate that led to Pluto's undoing.

Now, two of the objects that at one point were cruising toward possible full-fledged planethood will join Pluto as dwarfs: the asteroid Ceres, which was a planet in the 1800s before it got demoted, and 2003 UB313, an icy object slightly larger than Pluto whose discoverer, Michael Brown of the California Institute of Technology, has nicknamed "Xena."

Charon, the largest of Pluto's three moons, is no longer under consideration for any special designation.

Brown was pleased by the decision. He had argued that Pluto and similar bodies didn't deserve planet status, saying that would "take the magic out of the solar system."

"UB313 is the largest dwarf planet. That's kind of cool," he said.

link (http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/08/24/pluto.ap/index.html)

TwiloMike
08-24-2006, 10:39 AM
Good. Pluto always did look weird to me. Shifty eyes, crooked fingers, and a scowl suggesting 3 rows of teeth. I'm glad it's no longer one of us.

Eszekial
08-24-2006, 10:40 AM
Good. Pluto always did look weird to me. Shifty eyes, crooked fingers, and a scowl suggesting 3 rows of teeth. I'm glad it's no longer one of us.
I know exactly what you mean. Stupid pluto got what it deserved.

TwiloMike
08-24-2006, 10:42 AM
I know exactly what you mean. Stupid pluto got what it deserved.
It's now a "Dwarf plant". I do rather like how some groups are ready to self-correct.

Bruise Brubaker
08-24-2006, 10:50 AM
It seems that every once in a while, Pluto stops being a planet...

I don't think there is any "official" list of planets.

Just like once in a while, we're told that there are other planets beyond Pluto...

mikej
08-24-2006, 10:54 AM
It seems that every once in a while, Pluto stops being a planet...

I don't think there is any "official" list of planets.

Just like once in a while, we're told that there are other planets beyond Pluto...

Actually... that's what this was meant to correct. They wanted to come up with formal rules for what constitutes a "planet". The problem was any definition that included Pluto also included like 3 other celestial bodies and probably others too. So they went with a stricter definition that ultimately ended up snubbing Pluto. Now Pluto isn't a planet anymore.

Grade-schoolers everywhere must be in a panic this morning.

Guido
08-24-2006, 11:04 AM
That's what they get for naming it for a fictional Disney character who can't even talk. Psha!

bjohnso
08-24-2006, 11:11 AM
This is bull****.

I want this decision reversed immediately.

Mik
08-24-2006, 11:49 AM
It's now a "Dwarf plant".

To be PC should it not be "little planet"?

mikej
08-24-2006, 11:50 AM
This is bull****.

I want this decision reversed immediately.

Maybe you could sue them in space court.

TwiloMike
08-24-2006, 11:52 AM
To be PC should it not be "little planet"?
Still too blunt. Perhaps "size challenged planet"?

Mik
08-24-2006, 11:56 AM
Still too blunt. Perhaps "size challenged planet"?

Oh, wait I know.....picayune planet. Eh? Eh?

TwiloMike
08-24-2006, 12:00 PM
Oh, wait I know.....picayune planet. Eh? Eh?
You don't seriously expect people to be able to pronounce that, do you?

If you go foreign then the Russian equivalnt would be perfect: planietochka (accent on the "ie")

Mik
08-24-2006, 12:02 PM
[QUOTE=TwiloMike]You don't seriously expect people to be able to pronounce that, do you?
[QUOTE]

I use the term daily.

TwiloMike
08-24-2006, 12:03 PM
I use the term daily.
That makes you very special.

Mik
08-24-2006, 12:04 PM
You have no idea!

TwiloMike
08-24-2006, 12:09 PM
You have no idea!
The only possible reply to that, other than the explanation I'm writing, would have been deemed "too flirtatious" by some mods. HA!

Mik
08-24-2006, 12:17 PM
The only possible reply to that, other than the explanation I'm writing, would have been deemed "too flirtatious" by some mods. HA!

Thanks for holdin back! :)

TwiloMike
08-24-2006, 12:22 PM
Thanks for holdin back! :)
No problem.

Back OT: Does this mean that school kids get to cross out Pluto in their text books?

drew
08-24-2006, 03:34 PM
Pluto, you will always be a planet to me.

And fortunately for Pluto, mine is the opinion that truly counts.

Goodwinm
08-24-2006, 03:41 PM
oh damn. Now ive gotta get a new astronomy wall chart :( lol

Guido
08-24-2006, 03:47 PM
Great, now I have to replace my battery operated light up model of the solar system that I have prominently displayed in my living room! :cry:

Goodwinm
08-24-2006, 03:53 PM
Great, now I have to replace my battery operated light up model of the solar system that I have prominently displayed in my living room! :cry:
aww dude. there there... :windup:

Does this mean that Disney's Pluto Dog has to be renamed?

drew
08-24-2006, 04:17 PM
Does this mean that Disney's Pluto Dog has to be renamed?
No, he's just been downgraded to a cat.

ShockBoxer
08-24-2006, 04:38 PM
Better to lose one planet than potentially gain dozens if not hundreds. 8's company, 500 is a crowd. :)

Goodwinm
08-24-2006, 04:39 PM
So pluto is classed as an asteroid now?...

SpecialK
08-24-2006, 05:03 PM
My Very Eager Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas

I wonder what mnemonic they will use now to teach kids the planets? It really doesn't make sense anymore if you just take off the word "Pizzas".

big ol' boy
08-24-2006, 05:40 PM
they will replace nine with "nothing" and kick out pizzas.

Hitsuraptor
08-24-2006, 05:47 PM
My Very Eager Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas

I wonder what mnemonic they will use now to teach kids the planets? It really doesn't make sense anymore if you just take off the word "Pizzas".

http://members.optusnet.com.au/aliti/dwp.gif
My Very Eager Mother Just Sliced Up Ninjas
... cant go wrong with ninjas :thumbup:

TwiloMike
08-24-2006, 06:28 PM
http://members.optusnet.com.au/aliti/dwp.gif
My Very Eager Mother Just Sliced Up Ninjas
... cant go wrong with ninjas :thumbup:
My Very Edgy Mother Just Sliced Up Ninjas.

Guido
08-25-2006, 09:57 AM
My Very Edgy Mother Just Slaughtered the United Nations

bjohnso
08-25-2006, 10:25 AM
My Very Edgy Mother Just Slaughtered the United Nations

That's the best one right there

TwiloMike
08-25-2006, 10:47 AM
My Very Edgy Mother Just Slaughtered the United Nations
Most Variously Educated Moes Just Stonewall the United Nations

Powdered_Power
08-25-2006, 11:12 AM
What is this site coming to? A whole thread dedicated to a now downgraded flying ball of frozen dirt tsk tsk tsk....

bjohnso
08-25-2006, 12:44 PM
What is this site coming to? A whole thread dedicated to a now downgraded flying ball of frozen dirt tsk tsk tsk....

HOW DARE YOU!

Tryska
08-25-2006, 01:12 PM
I use the term daily.

do you live in New Orleans?

as for Pluto no longer being a planet - I'm not sure how i feel about that.

ShockBoxer
08-26-2006, 10:52 AM
Well, ultimately... I don't own property there and don't plan to visit so why should it bother me?

JaredG
08-29-2006, 01:55 AM
Well, ultimately... I don't own property there and don't plan to visit so why should it bother me?

Even if you did, would it matter? You can call Hawaii a state or call it an island but either way you're still going to the same overpriced Mecca of tourism.

I'm in favor of the decision, that's just one less styrofoam ball I will have to help paint when my children reach the third grade. I say we go back to the theory of the sun and moon revolving around the Earth and end this planet nonsense altogether.

Chris686
08-29-2006, 01:57 PM
Hawaii is both a state and an island obviously.

whiteman90909
08-30-2006, 06:51 PM
Wait wait wait, so the US emancipated pluto?

mrelwooddowd
08-31-2006, 04:50 AM
I wonder if 2,500 "highly educated" astronomers gave any thought to the fact that they've now got a "dwarf" planet named "Pluto."

If they had 7 dwarf planets, would they be Happy, Dopey, etc?

Is Pluto gonna get a rename soon?

Maybe, in an effort to be more PC we should officially refer to them as "little planets."

Guido
08-31-2006, 08:06 AM
Maybe, in an effort to be more PC we should officially refer to them as "little planets."Ha! Why not "diameter challenged"?

rookiebldr
08-31-2006, 11:58 AM
do you live in New Orleans?


no, he's just a dwarf and calls himself that daily.