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bear_rawr
09-23-2006, 05:39 PM
Hi, I've been lifting on and off for about a year, trying to get bigger but I realized that I wasn't consistant enough. So... I'm going to pull up my socks and set a attainable goal by next summer. This is how I look now. I'm 21, and 5'11 143 lbs. Comments, critique, suggestions welcome! :) Should I try to bulk up to a certain weight and cut? or should I just continue lifting and eating :P I'd prefer to stay somewhat lean but just more muscular. I was thinking of hitting 160lbs by june 07. thanks!22171

phatmonky
09-23-2006, 05:49 PM
Hi, I've been lifting on and off for about a year, trying to get bigger but I realized that I wasn't consistant enough. So... I'm going to pull up my socks and set a attainable goal by next summer. This is how I look now. I'm 21, and 5'11 143 lbs. Comments, critique, suggestions welcome! :) Should I try to bulk up to a certain weight and cut? or should I just continue lifting and eating :P I'd prefer to stay somewhat lean but just more muscular. I was thinking of hitting 160lbs by june 07. thanks!22171

You are almost 6'0 tall. You can do MUCH better than 160 by next june. As thin as you are you will see a lot of early gains (the first ones will be very noticable on that frame) and you can handle some fat without showing it since you aren't so short.

If I were you, I'd be shooting to bulk over ~8 months to atleast 170. That's right about a pound a week of gain and then cut from there. Later on, once you have some mass, you can bulk slower to keep fat levels down.

I am 6'3" and 200lbs, and still built like a rail. The worst thing you can do (I've done it in the past too) is think that you have to keep a six pack because, as as skinny guy it's the only thing you have going for you. FAR too many thin guys fall into this trap. YOu won't just magically get fat overnight, but you can't stay super lean and gain at a maximum rate.

EAT (clearn). READ. LIFT. EAT

Good luck man :)

sharkall2003
09-23-2006, 07:25 PM
In order to have a "six-pack" you first need muscle. This is done by training your abs like every other muscle and eating healthy and building the muscle. Then you have to have a llow bodyfat percentage with a decent amount of muscle in your midsection.

bear_rawr
09-24-2006, 04:26 PM
Thanks phatmonkey and shark :] I like the sounds of 170 too :read: From last week till now, I have only gained 0.5 pound, so I should probably be eating twice as much as I am now?! :confused:

I hit the gym twice a week. And I'm just starting to incorporate squats into my routine. I don't work my abs much at all. According to one of those digital bathroom scales (I don't know how accurate these are) my bf% is about 11% I never do sit-ups or crunches at the gym, I usually focus my time there using the equipment. I have a chin-up bar at home so once in a while if I'm bored I'll do some chin-ups and situps.

bear_rawr
12-16-2006, 05:04 PM
I've been working hard and eating since the time I made this post and as of last week I've gone from 143 to 150. I'm really happy with the progress, but I can't notice a difference yet with only 7 more lbs on me. Unfortunately I haven't been keeping up with my routine for the past 2 weeks because of exams and I hurt my shoulder somehow last week. I tried going back to the gym yesterday but it still hasn't fully recovered. Will post some pictures when I get to 160. :shoot:

PoutineEh
12-17-2006, 05:41 PM
wow. you need to eat a ton. you could mess up a bulk pretty bad by adding more fat than muscle and still look great since your so skinny now. what i am getting at is you are at a great starting point if you diet and train well, you could look amazing in a year.

PoutineEh
12-17-2006, 08:22 PM
kudos on the progress too. 7 lbs seems to be the perfect amount to gain from your last post, assuming its mostly muscle. make sure you are getting lotsa protein, ~150g a day.
its hard to notice differences since you see yourself everyday. for people that dont see you often, they are the ones who will notice differences. my suggestion is to take a few front, back, and legs shots ~every 1.5 months. you'll be able to see the difference easier this way. you should really be able to see some changes from your original physique after about 4 months or so if your doing everything right.
id like to see an update around mid january of your progress and then you can get peoples opinions to see if your doing everything right.
good luck to you!

bear_rawr
05-17-2007, 04:04 PM
Thanks PoutineEh, Been busy at school lately so I haven't been active here, but I've been checking in and out. Still workin hard, but find it harder to eat enough, I always seem hungry. :@ I'm weighing in at 163 now. Only about 20lbs of gain over such a long period. :( And I don't seem to look much different, but I will get some new pictures up in the next few days. Thanks again ^_^

bear_rawr
05-17-2007, 05:09 PM
I am Very happy that my weight is up, but I don't see any wins here. Lost my abs and getting some fat around the gut. I'd like to get my chest a lot bigger.

please comment/critique on where to improve. Thanks!

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Smooth23
05-18-2007, 06:39 AM
I'm a complete newbie, so take with a grain of salt. I think you need to clean up the bulk, and work the chest.

bear_rawr
05-18-2007, 08:27 AM
thanks smooth23, can someone recommend a routine to improve my chest? I've been doing wbb1 from the begining, but for the past couple of months my progress has been very slow or non-existant. I was stuck at benching 125lbsx 6-8 reps depending.

sharkall2003
05-18-2007, 08:36 AM
BGB is an excellent routine. I follow most of it, but add in different things from week to week to keep the body guessing.

G O R T
05-19-2007, 04:46 AM
thanks smooth23, can someone recommend a routine to improve my chest? I've been doing wbb1 from the begining, but for the past couple of months my progress has been very slow or non-existant. I was stuck at benching 125lbsx 6-8 reps depending.


You are doing this? The dips and chins too?


Workout 1 :
Flat Barbell Bench Press : 2 x 6-8 reps (125lb)
Low Incline Dumbbell Press : 2 x 6-8 reps
Dips : 2 x 6-8 reps
Chin ups : 2 x 6-8 reps
Deadlifts : 2 x 6-8 reps
Barbell Rows : 2 x 6-8 reps
Shrugs : 1 x 10 reps

Workout 2 :
Squats : 2 x 6-8 reps
Hack Squats : 2 x 6-8 reps
Leg Curls : 2 x 6-8 reps
Straight Legged Deadlifts : 2 x 6-8 reps
Standing Calve Raises : 4 x 10 reps

Workout 3 :
Military Press in Rack : 2 x 6-8 reps
Seated Dumbbell Press : 2 x 6-8 reps
Standing Lateral Raises : 2 x 10 reps
Narrow Grip bench Press : 2 x 6-8 reps
French Press : 2 x 6-8 reps
Barbell Curls : 2 x 6-8 reps
Hammer Curls : 1 x 6-8 reps

Copy and add some numbers for a better picture.
Include rest intervals and total time plus number of warmup sets.
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Personally I think you need to double-double that up for awhile and drop the arm day.

Day 1 :
Dips : 4 x 10-12 reps
Flat Barbell Bench Press : 4 x 8-10 reps (125lb)
Low Incline Dumbbell Press : 4 x 8-10 reps
Chin ups : 5 sets to failure or pulldowns 5 x 8-10
Barbell Rows : 4 x 6-8 reps

Day 2 :
Squats : 8 x 10-12 reps
Leg Curls : 4 x 6-8 reps
Straight Legged Deadlifts : 2 x 6-8 reps
Standing Calve Raises : 2 x 20 reps
Standing Lateral Raises : 4 x 10 reps

Day 3 : OFF

Day 4 :
Dips : 4 x 10-12 reps
Flat Barbell Bench Press : 4 x 8-10 reps (125lb)
Low Incline Dumbbell Press : 4 x 8-10 reps
Chin ups : 5 sets to failure or pulldowns 5 x 8-10
Barbell Rows : 4 x 6-8 reps

Day 5 :
Squats : 8 x 10-12 reps
Leg Curls : 4 x 6-8 reps
Straight Legged Deadlifts : 2 x 6-8 reps
Standing Calve Raises : 2 x 20 reps
Standing Lateral Raises : 4 x 10 reps

Day 6 : OFF

Day 7 : OFF

These are one hour workouts. There is only time for one minute rest between sets and a few minutes till the next exercise. You must keep moving!

All lifts must be executed smoothly! Not swinging or bouncing!

You will also have to drop the weights used somewhat to be able to finish.
This is not a problem, we are going for a huge pump and burn here - not max weights. This is a conditioning phase to increase muscle energy reserves (sarcoplasmic hypertrophy).

When you get done go eat! (or have your PWO)

After 2 weeks of this routine you will start to get less sore.

After 6-8 weeks of this routine you will start to get worn out. When that happens take a week off! Then you can move on to increasing your max weights.

bear_rawr
05-19-2007, 08:04 PM
Hey G O R T, I am pretty much doing what you wrote in the first routine.

one dash - is one minute rest, -- is 2min etc
I don't really do warm up sets other than just get seated properly and just move it around a few times at a relatively light weight.

Workout 1 :
Flat Barbell Bench Press : 2 x 6-8 reps (125lb) [warmup 1x15 @65lbs]
--
Low Incline Dumbbell Press : 2 x 6-8 reps (40lbs) per side
--
Dips : 2 x 6 reps (Body Weight)
--
Chin ups : 2 x 6-8 reps (BW)
--
***Deadlifts : I don't do these because I don't quite know how to execute it properly***

Barbell Rows : 2 x 6-8 reps (115lbs) done on a lever machine
-
Shrugs : 1 x 12 reps (55-60lbs)

total time: approx 1.5 hours depending on how busy the gym is


Workout 2 :
Squats : 3 x 6-8 reps (120lbs on smith machine)
--
***Hack Squats : not doing these***

Leg Curls : 2 x 6-8 reps (120lbs)
-
***Straight Legged Deadlifts : not doing***
Hamstring curls: 2 x 8-10 reps (70lbs one leg at a time)
--
Standing Calve Raises : 4 x 10 reps

I usually do some ab work in this day as well, total time: lil over an hour


Workout 3 :
Military Press in SMITH : 2 x 6-8 reps (60lbs)
--
Seated Dumbbell Press [on machine] : 2 x 6-8 reps (60lbs)
--
Standing Lateral Raises [machine]: 2 x 10 reps (70-75lbs)
--
reverse pec dec: 3 x 8-10 reps (85lbs)
-
Narrow Grip bench Press : 2 x 6-8 reps (105lbs)
--
French Press : 2 x 6-8 reps (50lbs)
--
Barbell Curls : 2 x 6-8 reps (60lbs)
--
Hammer Curls : 1 x 6-8 reps (30lbs)

total time : approx 1hr.


thank you.


You are doing this? The dips and chins too?



These are one hour workouts. There is only time for one minute rest between sets and a few minutes till the next exercise. You must keep moving!

All lifts must be executed smoothly! Not swinging or bouncing!

You will also have to drop the weights used somewhat to be able to finish.
This is not a problem, we are going for a huge pump and burn here - not max weights. This is a conditioning phase to increase muscle energy reserves (sarcoplasmic hypertrophy).

When you get done go eat! (or have your PWO)

After 2 weeks of this routine you will start to get less sore.

After 6-8 weeks of this routine you will start to get worn out. When that happens take a week off! Then you can move on to increasing your max weights.

Gabrielle
05-20-2007, 12:30 AM
I would keep bulking until right before next summer. Look into full body workouts or maybe dc training. Center your workouts around the big 3 bench, squats and deads. Gort had some decent pointers. Good luck

G O R T
05-20-2007, 05:56 AM
The times do not add up - the first workout should only take 25 minutes.

Are you spending +5 minutes between lifts?

Two minutes rest between sets is typically used for moderate volume workouts. For volume training the rest should be a minute. For heavy lifting it should be at least 3 minutes.

Six total work sets for chest in a week is definately low volume. Most beginners respond best to increasing volume until they plateau. After that, periodization keeps gains coming. Periodization is switching back and forth between high volume at low weight and low volume at high weight.

I currently do chest on Monday and Thursday. Monday I do 5-6 sets of dips and then 6 sets of incline bench. Thursday I do 8 sets of flat bench followed by 3-4 sets of cable flys. This is around 24 sets/week on chest which is a good volume high point for me.

If you cannot easily increase volume on something like dips, you will have to grow your chest a bit so that you can. German volume training is a great shock to do that. This would involve doing just one exercise for the chest each week. That exercise is flat bench. 10 sets of 10 reps with exactly one minute rest between sets. Do not get up off the bench. Check a clock or your watch as soon as you rack the weight. Pick the weight back up 60 seconds later. Try using about 85 pounds. The first few sets will seem easy and usless, but that will change to agony as you keep going. When bodybuilders talk about pushing through the pain barrier, this is what it is all about.

This chest workout will only take 15 minutes out of you week. The first time you do it your chest will be sore for 5 days. But when you do it again it will be easier. If you can finish all of the sets, add 5 lb. Do 4-6 weeks of this and then see how many dips you can do, you will be suprised.

bear_rawr
05-20-2007, 09:08 PM
Gabrielle, I agree! I still want to gain mass, and I don't think I have enough to cut yet. I think I'll try to clean it up a bit because I'm starting to get some flab:@

GORT !!! It totally doesn't add up! Between sets, I usually just get up and walk to the water fountain and back, then continue to catch my breath for about a minute. I don't keep time, but I think I will start wearing a watch in the gym. Between exercises I usually take longer because I am waiting for the bench or machine to become unoccupied. TBH, I find that between SETS, after 1 minute I don't quite feel ready to do another set. I don't want to run out of steam halfway through a set. But I'll definately start timing my breaks now.

No wonder my bench/chest hasn't been progressing! I'm going to start doubling up this week.

8 sets of squats? are you serious?! ::drooling: Obvisouly I'm going to have to drop the weight in order to complete all 8, but should I maintain the same weight throughout the entire exercise? (ie use a low weight from set1?) or drop the weight as I need to as I do each set.

For day2, could you explain to me what the standing lateral raise is? :idea:

thanks so much !

G O R T
05-21-2007, 12:45 AM
Inability to recover and fear of running out of steam are common roadblocks to the hardgainer. It is also hard for the new military recruit to fathom the volume and intensity of their coming training, but the human body has an amazing ability to adapt. In the modern world many forget this.

First, you cannot keep lifting near your max low volume weight for extended periods of time. Even if that max is not very high, it is stressfull to the central nervous system (CNS). This causes a fatigue that affects workout performance for up to a week.

Secondly, if you have no stamina you will find it very hard to progress at all.

By lowering the weight and increasing the volume of your workouts you will force your muscles to adapt to the new demand by improving blood flow, forming new mitochondria, and storing extra energy reserves. Yes, this will of course make them larger (sarcoplasmic hypertrophy).

When you go back to heavier workouts, your new stamina will allow you to to do more reps and sets with the heavier weights. This will cause you to become stronger until you plateau again (sarcomeric hypertrophy).

I recommend using the same weight (straight sets) for the time being. This will make keeping track of your progression easier. Eventually you will become bigger, stronger, and adept at reading your body's needs.


The lateral raise involves lifting dumbells straight out from your sides till they are 45 degrees above level. They need only be lowered till they are 45 degrees below level because the Deltoid muscles have a somewhat limiterd range of activity. This will look like flapping your wings holding dumbells. The movement should be done slowly (as usual) and with the palms facing the floor.

Songsangnim
05-25-2007, 06:00 AM
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I currently do chest on Monday and Thursday. Monday I do 5-6 sets of dips and then 6 sets of incline bench. Thursday I do 8 sets of flat bench followed by 3-4 sets of cable flys. This is around 24 sets/week on chest which is a good volume high point for me.

Why incline bench and flat bench? Simple variety or something else?

bear_rawr
05-25-2007, 02:35 PM
I did day1 and day2 for this week, rested yesterday and it's day4 for me now, gonna hit the gym in a few hours. My chest is still sore from day1, is it ok to work it out again with the same intensity? And the funny thing is, I did the 8 sets of squats, but my quads are hardly sore, just feel like a light stretching in the hams.

sharkall2003
05-25-2007, 02:47 PM
I did day1 and day2 for this week, rested yesterday and it's day4 for me now, gonna hit the gym in a few hours. My chest is still sore from day1, is it ok to work it out again with the same intensity? And the funny thing is, I did the 8 sets of squats, but my quads are hardly sore, just feel like a light stretching in the hams.

No, it is not alright to work it out if it's still sore from the past workout. Take the time off, or go very light, maybe 35-40% of regular exercise totals.

bear_rawr
05-25-2007, 03:52 PM
Thanks sharkall, I'll take it ez today. :)

bear_rawr
06-09-2007, 04:32 PM
I came across some random threads while browsing the board today and I just made an observation about my body. Does anyone think I have a sunken-in chest (Pectus Excavatum), b1tch tittes (gyno), and a potbelly! WTF! Take a look at the Top centre and Top right pictures that I posted. thanks
btw I'm on week 3 of GORT's routine and seeing improvements in my dips :]

Bako Lifter
06-09-2007, 05:35 PM
Are you using the Smith machine for squats? I saw somewhere up there that u were...

bear_rawr
06-09-2007, 05:53 PM
Yes I am. Going to try a few sets on the bar today, heading to the gym now. Reason that I started on the smith machine was because I had never done squats before and just wanted to get some general strength, and motion required for squatting. And the previous gym i went to only had a smith machine. But the gym I go to now has both.

bear_rawr
06-14-2007, 04:36 AM
Are you using the Smith machine for squats? I saw somewhere up there that u were...

is there a problem with that?

Clifford Gillmore
06-14-2007, 08:41 AM
Locks your knees into one place, which places all of the weight transfer upon them. It can hurt.

G O R T
06-14-2007, 11:52 PM
bear_rawr

Don't get paranoid bro, there is nothing wrong with you chest but a few extra pounds.

You should be getting the most out of your workouts by now with less carryover soreness. Start thinking about some exercise variations to implement when you go to cutting the volume.

Incline BB press, Tbar rows, and power cleans come to mind.

Songsangnim
06-15-2007, 06:03 AM
Why incline bench and flat bench? Simple variety or something else?

Still wondering...

G O R T
06-15-2007, 08:02 PM
I currently do chest on Monday and Thursday. Monday I do 5-6 sets of dips and then 6 sets of incline bench. Thursday I do 8 sets of flat bench followed by 3-4 sets of cable flys. This is around 24 sets/week on chest which is a good volume high point for me.


Why incline bench and flat bench? Simple variety or something else?

Monday's dips and incline bench hit the shoulders hard so I do Lateral raises for delts. Thursday is light on the shoulders so I do power cleans and overhead presses.

bear_rawr
07-17-2007, 03:08 AM
Sup all, :lurk: been working hard, and went up a little bit in weight. Sitting approx~ 170 lbs. Anyone care to guess my BF%? my bathroom scale says im 21.6% ??? I do have a gut, but 21.6%? plz comment/critique ! :D

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Bako Lifter
07-17-2007, 03:19 AM
No legz?

I'm gonna have to go with 13-14% for the body fat.

Edit: damn dude, just looked at your first picture and you look 10x better! Not a skinny little twig anymore :p. Awesome progress man, I'm sure it took a ton of hard work.

Have you been following BGB this whole time? And you're free squatting now right?

bear_rawr
07-17-2007, 10:50 AM
Oh yeah , good one, I'll get some leg shotz too. Question, How do you pose/flex for a leg shot if you're taking it yourself? stand on your tip-toes? or do a half squat? thx!

bear_rawr
07-17-2007, 10:55 AM
Edit: damn dude, just looked at your first picture and you look 10x better! Not a skinny little twig anymore :p. Awesome progress man, I'm sure it took a ton of hard work.

Have you been following BGB this whole time? And you're free squatting now right?

thx bako lifter! It was tough and fun!, I wish I was able to stay a little bit more strict on my gym schedule and diet, but it's hard to juggle it all with school and work. Feels good when people notice the change, because sometimes I don't notice it. and YES I am doing free squats on the BB now! woot woot! :strong:

unj
07-17-2007, 12:48 PM
coming on nicely bro, eat big lift big sleep big....get big

Rock Steady
07-17-2007, 12:51 PM
Good work. Keep it up - I'd guess you're at 15-16%

eddie500
07-19-2007, 12:37 PM
I came across some random threads while browsing the board today and I just made an observation about my body. Does anyone think I have a sunken-in chest (Pectus Excavatum), b1tch tittes (gyno), and a potbelly! WTF! Take a look at the Top centre and Top right pictures that I posted. thanks
btw I'm on week 3 of GORT's routine and seeing improvements in my dips :]

Why are you gaining all that weight but not gaining any muscle?

HOw much has your bench increased from the first picture to now?

Gabrielle
07-19-2007, 01:46 PM
You are definitely looking a lot bigger. Keep it up

bear_rawr
07-20-2007, 04:58 AM
Why are you gaining all that weight but not gaining any muscle?

HOw much has your bench increased from the first picture to now?

I know my BF has gone up, but I'm pretty sure I've gained some muscle. My bench went up 40lbs since the first picture.

Patchy
03-03-2008, 10:06 PM
You could have pectus excavatum, id need a picture of you side on to tell.
I had pectus excavatum and i couldnt stand it. As i got more muscular it got more obvious! That doesnt always happen with everybody though, if your pectus excavatum is more centred instead of one pec sunken working out may fix it.
Anways i had it and had an operation!
heres my forum that ive talked about it in.
http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=107780&highlight=pectus+excavatum
cheers

bear_rawr
12-21-2009, 01:41 AM
Hi, I haven't been on wbb for a long time but I came across my old thread in my bookmarks and I just took a picture recently so why not update my thread. :)

The photos in the middle of my post are gone, I guess the host went down, but that was when I was almost 170. Since then I gained up to a max of 178 and then decided to take up muay thai training. Muay thai is some intense conditionion and more cardio than I wanted. I ended up losing about 15lbs :( I tried hard to gain some of it back and when I did, I had reached the point of competition and my instructor found an opponent for me in the 147lbs weight division. :omg: I started my mass gain @ 143, it would have been such a bummer to go from 143-178-147; instead we tried to do a catch weight at around 155. I slowly made my way down to 157lbs and the other guy didn't take the fight and then summer was over!
I started to try and put mass back on and I'm currently at 163. Here's a photo.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/data/503/rip_shot_small.jpg I'm going to try and hit 175 by spring time with less than 13% bf.

I think I need to switch up my routine. I'm doing Chest Monday (flat db, incline db, decline db, pec deck), back wed (dl, bent over row, chin up, seated cable row, shrugs), squats legs shoulders friday (squat, leg ext machine, ham curl machine, shoulder press machine, lat delt raise machine, inverted row, reverse db flies, rotator cuff). about 3x8-10 for each exercise. Feel free to give me suggestions to change it up.

Where I'm at for strength
DB bench press 75's per side x 8 reps on 4th set
DL 225 x 5 on 3rd set
Squat 275 x 5 on 3rd set


Thanks

twm
12-21-2009, 05:26 AM
honestly, this isnt myspace

get a photo that can actually be used for its intended purpose.

bear_rawr
12-21-2009, 05:47 AM
Not sure I know what myspace is or what you mean by that:confused:, but I'm guessing you're hating on the way I covered my face with shadows. well.:rolleyes:
http://www.gymtechnik.com/GetPhoto.aspx?type=4&photoid=1819
maybe this photo taken like everyone elses will serve the "intended purpose" better. :)
honestly, thanks for your highly constructive reply.

twm
12-21-2009, 06:00 AM
myspace is a website where people use irritating shadows and image effects for no apparent reason. you can blur your face if you want, thats not what I'm talking about.

my post is very constructive because the way the other photo is presented makes it useless as a basis of comparison.. which is what you want by posting here, correct? if thats the case, use practical photos that can allow one to evaluate the picture for its intended purpose. its obvious youve made a lot of progress since your original shot posted in 2006.. but the extent to which is impossible to say with the shadowed pic above. you're welcome

bear_rawr
12-21-2009, 06:11 AM
myspace is a website where people use irritating shadows and image effects for no apparent reason. you can blur your face if you want, thats not what I'm talking about.
Pardon my ignorance but I have not used myspace and I was unfamiliar with your intended message. I guess this explanation gives me a better perspective on what you really meant. I don't know what you mean by image effect, but this was just done with a single flash located from above instead of a flash directly from the camera.


my post is very constructive because the way the other photo is presented makes it useless as a basis of comparison.. which is what you want by posting here, correct? if thats the case, use practical photos that can allow one to evaluate the picture for its intended purpose. its obvious youve made a lot of progress since your original shot posted in 2006.. but the extent to which is impossible to say with the shadowed pic above. you're welcome I am not being sarcastic, it makes sense to have a photo which is taken in a similar fashion as the first photo to do a comparason. However, if you feel defensive then I would like to re-iterate that I appreciate your input; although it may not have been aparent, it was constructive.

I've attached another photo because the link I put up did not seem to show a photo on my other computer, this one is taken with a cell phone infront of a mirror like the first photo in 06.

twm
12-21-2009, 06:25 AM
gotcha, sorry. i thought you were being sarcastic.

but yeah, you've definitely put on some decent mass. your shoulders & torso have filled out a bit making you look not nearly as skinny. not sure what your goals are, but with some careful dieting you can keep on gaining while staying reasonably lean. are you trying to stay in a specific weight range for muay thai?