too much protein?

[charles_316]

i jus recently bought the max mass stack from atlarge and started using it...

but i also jus realized today that i think i am consuming too much protein now actually...

cuz i usually take 4 scoops of nitrean and 3 scoops of opticen (recommended in 1 serving) per day which is about 150g of protein alone...

then from eating, i am guessing i get at least 100-150g of protein....

and i only weight 175... so this is definately too much protein right? will it hurt my body to take this much?

ill prolly jus reduce the number of scoops of nitrean to 2... dont want to overdo the protein if not necessary

[Keith]

There's so many agruements on this topic. Some say 1g per lb of lean body mass. Some say unlimited..the more the better.

In my opinion keep it up with what your doing, just make sure your consuming roughly a galon of water a day.

[deeder]

Have you ever bothered to actually count how much protein you're getting from food?

Why are you taking supplements if you don't know EXACTLY what you're eating in the first place?

Supplements are supposed to do just that, SUPPLEMENT. How do you know what needs supplementation if you don't know what you're eating?

[charles_316]

i do know around but it is too hard to actually find accurate representations of some of the things i eat on fitday.... it would be very time consuming to actually get all the accurate details.... guesstimate things, etc...

id rather jus estimate an approx through fitday which i stated before around 100-150g of protein from food

[Anthony]

How much you need - how much you eat = how much you supplement.

[charles_316]

the how much you need part is the topic that everyone debates ...

[1mmort4l]

i jus recently bought the max mass stack from atlarge and started using it...



cuz i usually take 4 scoops of nitrean and 3 scoops of opticen (recommended in 1 serving) per day which is about 150g of protein alone...




Umm, 150g of protein in one serve?
How could your body possibly digest, and absorb that much protein in one go..
Am i wrong here in saying that your body can only really absorb 50 gs of protein at a time?
Seems a waste to me mate, think of what your body turns the protein into when it cant absorb it..

[smalls]

Umm, 150g of protein in one serve?
How could your body possibly digest, and absorb that much protein in one go..
Am i wrong here in saying that your body can only really absorb 50 gs of protein at a time?
Seems a waste to me mate, think of what your body turns the protein into when it cant absorb it..


Yes, you are wrong.

Why do these discussions constantly turn into, your supplementing too much food is god yada ****in yada. The body will utilize the majority of anything you give it, that doesnt mean it's going to use it to make muscle, or even use it as protein for that matter.

300 grams of protein is not "too much" it is more than has been scientifically proven to be needed for protein synthesis for someone of your bodyweight not using protein synthesis enhancing drugs. But will it aid you in gaining weight and muscle? Yes, because it's calories, and getting more is always better than getting too few in the quest for strength and size. If you dieting then that could be a different story.

And I beleive the wording is just weird and that the total supplemental protein (not in one serving) is 150g for the day.

[1mmort4l]

And I beleive the wording is just weird and that the total supplemental protein (not in one serving) is 150g for the day.


Aggh, yes, i beleive you are correct there.. My mistake.

I personally however dont like to teach my body to turn excess protein into fat. I would rather sacrifice the calories and eat in a healthier fashion.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

What do you mean teach your body to turn excess protein into fat? :scratch:

[smalls]

Aggh, yes, i beleive you are correct there.. My mistake.

I personally however dont like to teach my body to turn excess protein into fat. I would rather sacrifice the calories and eat in a healthier fashion.


1. Sacrafice the calories? You mean substitute, cuz if you get less than you burn you may be "healthier" but your not going to be defying any laws of thermodynamics.

2. Turning protein into carbs isnt necassarily an unhealthy bodily function, sometimes slightly pricey but that's a different argument.

Your body turn EXTRA things into fat, out of the 3 macros it does this with protein in the least energy efficient way. I wouldnt worry so much about extra whey making you fat, but that's just me.

[korexite]

most people cant absorb over 50g of protein in one sitting, you can increase that amount by taking digestive enzymes and ginger root.

150g is rediculous

[Unreal]

most people cant absorb over 50g of protein in one sitting, you can increase that amount by taking digestive enzymes and ginger root.

150g is rediculous

What do you mean absorb? Your going to absorb all the protein you take in unless you have a gastrointestinal disorder or something wrong with your digestive system. It may take longer, but it will all be used for something (tissue synthesis, energy, converted to fat, etc...).

[Chris686]

Your body is only going to use so much of that protein for muscle development though. More protein is not necessarily better, but it's not bad either.

[mikesbytes]

Is it a case of spliting the protein consumption over the day, so the body is getting a constant supply?

[Levantar]

Aggh, yes, i beleive you are correct there.. My mistake.

I personally however dont like to teach my body to turn excess protein into fat. I would rather sacrifice the calories and eat in a healthier fashion.
Based on your picture I would say that you are accomplishing your goal of just enough calories for growth and still not gaining any fat. That picture looks ripped.

[Levantar]

Umm, 150g of protein in one serve?
How could your body possibly digest, and absorb that much protein in one go..
Am i wrong here in saying that your body can only really absorb 50 gs of protein at a time?
Seems a waste to me mate, think of what your body turns the protein into when it cant absorb it..

It seems what our friend meant was that 3 scoops = 1 serving and 1 serving= 52 grams of protein. There for the 3 scoops of Opticen he is using is = to 52 grams of protein not 150.

[RookieHooks]

You all have neglected to mention the fact that to much Whey protien can cause liver damage and kidney falure..

My nutritionist said to eat 1 gram per pound of body weight...so if your 175 pounds consume 175 grams...

[Davidelmo]

You all have neglected to mention the fact that to much Whey protien can cause liver damage and kidney falure..

You'll soon learn that if you're going to say something like that on this site, you'd better have the info to back it up.

[Davidelmo]

i do know around but it is too hard to actually find accurate representations of some of the things i eat on fitday.... it would be very time consuming to actually get all the accurate details.... guesstimate things, etc...

id rather jus estimate an approx through fitday which i stated before around 100-150g of protein from food

Sorry but you clearly have more money than sense on this occasion if you're prepared to spend $100 on the stack but still have no idea what is in the food you eat.

What do you eat and why can't you track it on fitday? If it's anything you make or buy enter the package info as a custom food. Get a set of scales and weigh things before you eat them. Sort BASIC things like this out before you go spending lots of money and living off supplements.

[mikesbytes]

You all have neglected to mention the fact that to much Whey protien can cause liver damage and kidney falure..

My nutritionist said to eat 1 gram per pound of body weight...so if your 175 pounds consume 175 grams...

Rookie,

Are you saying that "to much Whey protien..." or "to much protein...." causes the damage?

Do you know where the info comes from?

Mike.

[Built]

You all have neglected to mention the fact that to much Whey protien can cause liver damage and kidney falure..

My nutritionist said to eat 1 gram per pound of body weight...so if your 175 pounds consume 175 grams...


This is true.

We have neglected to say this.

The REASON we have neglected to say it is because it isn't at all true.

Same reason we haven't told you the moon is made of green cheese.

[McVein]

This is true.

We have neglected to say this.

The REASON we have neglected to say it is because it isn't at all true.

Same reason we haven't told you the moon is made of green cheese.


lol

[chris mason]

You all have neglected to mention the fact that to much Whey protien can cause liver damage and kidney falure..

My nutritionist said to eat 1 gram per pound of body weight...so if your 175 pounds consume 175 grams...


LOL, rriiiiigggghhhhttttt....


:soapbox:

[chris mason]

i jus recently bought the max mass stack from atlarge and started using it...

but i also jus realized today that i think i am consuming too much protein now actually...

cuz i usually take 4 scoops of nitrean and 3 scoops of opticen (recommended in 1 serving) per day which is about 150g of protein alone...

then from eating, i am guessing i get at least 100-150g of protein....

and i only weight 175... so this is definately too much protein right? will it hurt my body to take this much?

ill prolly jus reduce the number of scoops of nitrean to 2... dont want to overdo the protein if not necessary

Just a quick response, you do not need to reduce your protein intake (unless you have some sort of health problem which dictates you limit your protein intake in which case you should not be supplementing at all). You can if you like but remember part of what makes the mass stack so effective is a surplus of total calories.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

You all have neglected to mention the fact that to much Whey protien can cause liver damage and kidney falure..No. Unless you have unhealthy kidneys. Drink plenty of water. /end

[Sexybeast777]

I personally prefer to keep my proteing intake as 20% of my diet, and my muscle gains are good. I do this mostly for healthy reasons

[mikesbytes]

You all have neglected to mention the fact that to much Whey protien can cause liver damage and kidney falure..

Why would Whey protien be any different to other protien sources ?

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

You all have neglected to mention the fact that to much Whey protien can cause liver damage and kidney falure..

My nutritionist said to eat 1 gram per pound of body weight...so if your 175 pounds consume 175 grams...Do you even what whey is?

[Sexybeast777]

Do you even what whey is?
LoL, I guess what you meant to say is ''Do you even KNOW what whey is?

[krboyd7]

There's so many agruements on this topic. Some say 1g per lb of lean body mass. Some say unlimited..the more the better.

In my opinion keep it up with what your doing, just make sure your consuming roughly a galon of water a day.

There is no argument about this,it is a medical fact.To put it simple your body will only absorb so much protein at one sitting.Any excess protein (just like any other foods),will eventually end up as fat.
Stick with 1 g for every lb.

[Sexybeast777]

There is no argument about this,it is a medical fact.To put it simple your body will only absorb so much protein at one sitting.Any excess protein (just like any other foods),will eventually end up as fat.
Stick with 1 g for every lb.
179lbs is not 79 kilos, it's more like 81 kilos

[chris mason]

There is no argument about this,it is a medical fact.To put it simple your body will only absorb so much protein at one sitting.Any excess protein (just like any other foods),will eventually end up as fat.
Stick with 1 g for every lb.


That's not a medical fact... Geez, I wish people were more informed. First, how much can be absrobed at any one sitting is going to vary dramatically between individuals and even within the individual. There are SO many variables. The 1g per lb. is fine and a decent rule of thumb but don't get hung-up on what you think are medical facts.

[Belial]

There is no argument about this,it is a medical fact.To put it simple your body will only absorb so much protein at one sitting.Any excess protein (just like any other foods),will eventually end up as fat.
Stick with 1 g for every lb.

If you're going to state "facts", at least get your damn wording right.

First you imply that, once past a certain amount is consumed, your body won't absorb it. Then you go on to state that it will be converted into fat. If it isn't absorbed, then it can't get converted into anything, it ends up in the toilet, literally.

The body will absorb protein over time after consumed. What it does with it is dependent on the body's needs at a given moment, these needs ranging from muscle repair and synthesis to regular cell replication, energy needs (BCAAs), other non-anabolic metabolic processes (urine production; urea cycle), etc. You eat a steak, it digests over 7-8 hours, and there is an influx of amino acids into the bloodstream during that entire time. Your body doesn't care that it was one sitting. No, chances are the body won't use all that protein for anabolic processes, and it probably will end up deaminating a portion of the amino acids, converting them to pyruvate (whether directly, via oxaloacetate conversion, or several other pathways), and eventually synthesizing glucose/glycogen or triglycerides.

So yes, they can get converted into fat. THAT is the only "fact" you stated in your somewhat petulant post above. So will eating more than you need hurt you? Probably not, since you have NO DAMN IDEA what your body needs. Nobody does. Nobody can, the variables are too many.

If you're going to argue something, read over your god damn post and make sure it makes sense. Stop wasting people's time.

[Mik]

If you're going to state "facts", at least get your damn wording right.

First you imply that, once past a certain amount is consumed, your body won't absorb it. Then you go on to state that it will be converted into fat. If it isn't absorbed, then it can't get converted into anything, it ends up in the toilet, literally.

The body will absorb protein over time after consumed. What it does with it is dependent on the body's needs at a given moment, these needs ranging from muscle repair and synthesis to regular cell replication, energy needs (BCAAs), other non-anabolic metabolic processes (urine production; urea cycle), etc. You eat a steak, it digests over 7-8 hours, and there is an influx of amino acids into the bloodstream during that entire time. Your body doesn't care that it was one sitting. No, chances are the body won't use all that protein for anabolic processes, and it probably will end up deaminating a portion of the amino acids, converting them to pyruvate (whether directly, via oxaloacetate conversion, or several other pathways), and eventually synthesizing glucose/glycogen or triglycerides.

So yes, they can get converted into fat. THAT is the only "fact" you stated in your somewhat petulant post above. So will eating more than you need hurt you? Probably not, since you have NO DAMN IDEA what your body needs. Nobody does. Nobody can, the variables are too many.

If you're going to argue something, read over your god damn post and make sure it makes sense. Stop wasting people's time.

Would this be too long to include in my sig.? :)

[RedSpikeyThing]

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:nod:

[Davidelmo]

There is no argument about this,it is a medical fact.To put it simple your body will only absorb so much protein at one sitting.Any excess protein (just like any other foods),will eventually end up as fat.
Stick with 1 g for every lb.

Please go ahead trying to argue this to board members who are doctors, or have phds and masters degrees in nutrition and human biology. You will lose.

Instead why dont you sit back and read some factual information. WBB is a learning resource - why not listen to people who know a LOT more than you instead of proclaiming some crap you read in a magazine as fact.

[Vapour Trails]

Consuming that much protein is just a costly way to get calories.

[mikesbytes]

Consuming that much protein is just a costly way to get calories.

Yes, but you need to get calories from somewhere, so is it better to over do the protein intake rather than under do it?

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

You're going to be getting more of each macronutrient with increased calories, so it's all a personal preference anyway. If it comes from protein, then so be it.

[Slim Schaedle]

Probably not, since you have NO DAMN IDEA what your body needs. Nobody does. Nobody can, the variables are too many.

If you're going to argue something, read over your god damn post and make sure it makes sense. Stop wasting people's time.
What he's really trying to say is, Happy Thanksgiving.

[Belial]

I'm a lovely person and you know it.

[mikesbytes]

On cycling forums they have nutrition arguments too, but instead of protein, its carbs.

Typically a bloke wants to loose 50kg/110lbs of fat by riding his bike and watching what he eats and a bloke with 5% body fat advises a diet that suits his slender body and not something appropriate for the big fellow.

True its different courses for different horses.

The biggest lessons I learnt from Wannabe BIG is that my protein intake was way too log, that excess protien was only a problem for people with kidney problems and the protein intake needs to occur in doses over the day.

Not so clear is;
1. Excess protein is just a waste of money
2. Balance between protein/fat/carbs
3. Different types of fat and carbs
4. Special Suppliments to help joints tendons etc

Probably there will be much disagreement on some of the above and it probably does depend a lot upon the individual.