Legal Steroids

[EMF]

1st post.
I dont think im breaking any rules here as i am looking for info regarding a website that sells what they call legal steroids.
i guess its some legal concoction of diet supplements.
anyway. there is a company called sdi labs that sells an alternative to steroids and they claim to be the best show in town without the dangers related to steroids.
The cost is the same as steroids and before i throw several hundred dollars in the garbage i wanted to see if anyone out there has anything to say about them.

[manowar669]

If they were any good, everybody would already know about them.

[mikey4402]

waste of money

[Davidelmo]

I dont know that specific company or their products but I do know that most "legal steroids" or testosterone boosters are junk.

There are very few products which would fall under the true meaning of the term legal steroids - superdrol, m1t etc being some of them.. but they DO have side effects - just as bad or worse than the "real" thing.

If they're the same price as the real thing, I dont see what the advantage is. You'll never get a steroid with NO side effects and precautions need to be taken.

[malkore]

legal steroids is an oxymoron, at least in the USA. if its really a steroid, pro-steroid, or pro-hormone, its not legal without a written prescription per a licensed medical doctor.

everything else is just bulls*** marketing and snake oil

[shootermcgavin7]

If this is the company that advertises "D-Bol" and "Winny" in Maxim, I know they were hit with a class action suit 3-4 years ago for selling a weak andro supplement as "D-Bol" for $90 or some hilarious price.

God knows what they put in it now.


The quick answer is that it is a complete waste of money.

[bloodninja]

I would be extremely scared to take a wannabe steroid with a misspelled name...like diannobole or whatever they're coming up with now.

[Roddy]

ya they dont exist? look up the shady company Legal Gear, that stuff is straight steroids. Beleive. They have changed company names repeatedly, made guys go bald, ruined sex lives, and replaced products with similar named ones over and over.

Methyl-1-p Melthy-1-D, Methyl-1-T and it goes on

[Roddy]

legal steroids is an oxymoron, at least in the USA. if its really a steroid, pro-steroid, or pro-hormone, its not legal without a written prescription per a licensed medical doctor.

everything else is just bulls*** marketing and snake oil

Do your homework. There are loop holes, and synthetic substances that are currently being created and sold which do not fall under any legal restrictions thanks to loop holes, and yet to be written laws

[branman]

if it were any good, it wouldn't be legal hahahaha

[malkore]

Do your homework. There are loop holes, and synthetic substances that are currently being created and sold which do not fall under any legal restrictions thanks to loop holes, and yet to be written laws

doesn't mean these synthetic substances work, or that they aren't potentially VERY harmful to your endocrine system, liver, kidneys, heart, or otherwise.

Seriously, if the **** worked, we'd ALL BE ON IT.

[Holto]

Things like M1-T apparently work quite well.

The argument from the vets here is very simple:

Real steroids are CHEAPER, MORE EFFECTIVE, and SAFER.

[kartwheel]

if you want something that works that you can still buy online, go with Methyl-1-Alpha from LGsciences. It works. I've used it, and I am about to start another cycle in 2 days. You will need something to boost your test after you use it, like Novadex XT or Formadrol. First time I used it for 4 weeks, put on 15lbs and lost only 3 to 4 after I got off.

Thats my 2 cents.

[SpecialK]

Things like M1-T apparently work quite well.

The argument from the vets here is very simple:

Real steroids are CHEAPER, MORE EFFECTIVE, and SAFER.

The other compounds have the advantage of being legal though. Well, at least the new ones still being sold under the radar. All of the real steroids are illegal. Not everyone wants to risk their career and clean record to gain a few extra pounds of LBM, so they go the legal, albeit less safe and effective route and use the pro-hormone/legal steroid products.

I recently read the book Legal Muscle by Rick Collins, which goes into detail about all of the legal consequences of steroid possession, and the case studies presented in there are quite frightening.

[Roddy]

Seriously, if the **** worked, we'd ALL BE ON IT.

Horsesh1t, i'll call you out on this one anyday of the week. Half of the posts you see on here, if not more, are just people sharing passed on knowledge. 90% of those people likely have never tried the supplement being commented on. Look at this thread, i bet the general consensus of 50% of the people is that there are no legal steroids, yet there are. Probably every thread here on Legal Gear products has been filled with that 90% reaction of "oh that crap doesnt work, you have to buy illegal steroids to get steroid like results" yet Legal Gear with its small following of people who never read other peoples reveiw on the products have bought this stuff and gotten very decent gains. Steroid like gains. Or wait is it actual Steroid gains.... :hump:

[Roddy]

Seriously, if the **** worked, we'd ALL BE ON IT.

Horsesh1t, i'll call you out on this one anyday of the week. Half of the posts you see on here, if not more, are just people sharing passed on knowledge. 90% of those people likely have never tried the supplement being commented on. Look at this thread, i bet the general consensus of 50% of the people is that there are no legal steroids, yet there are. Probably every thread here on Legal Gear products has been filled with that 90% reaction of "oh that crap doesnt work, you have to buy illegal steroids to get steroid like results" yet Legal Gear with its small following of people who never read other peoples reveiw on the products have bought this stuff and gotten very decent gains. Steroid like. Or wait is it actually Steroid gains.... :hump:


Things like M1-T apparently work quite well.

The argument from the vets here is very simple:

Real steroids are CHEAPER, MORE EFFECTIVE, and SAFER.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

yet Legal Gear with its small following of people who never read other peoples reveiw on the products have bought this stuff and gotten very decent gains.Is this what you base your opinion on?

[Roddy]

Seriously, if the **** worked, we'd ALL BE ON IT.

Horsesh1t, i'll call you out on this one anyday of the week. Half of the posts you see on here, if not more, are just people sharing passed on knowledge. 90% of those people likely have never tried the supplement being commented on. Look at this thread, i bet the general consensus of 50% of the people is that there are no legal steroids, yet there are. Probably every thread here on Legal Gear products has been filled with that 90% reaction of "oh that crap doesnt work, you have to buy illegal steroids to get steroid like results" yet Legal Gear with its small following of people who never read other peoples reveiw on the products have bought this stuff and gotten very decent gains. Steroid like. Or wait is it actually Steroid gains.... :hump:


Things like M1-T apparently work quite well.

^^^^ made by Legal Gear


if you want something that works that you can still buy online, go with Methyl-1-Alpha from LGsciences. It works. I've used it, and I am about to start another cycle in 2 days. You will need something to boost your test after you use it, like Novadex XT or Formadrol. First time I used it for 4 weeks, put on 15lbs and lost only 3 to 4 after I got off.

Thats my 2 cents. <---p.s LG sciences is legal gear

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

You just posted the same thing 3 times.

[Holto]

Roddy:

The point is that these companies formulate their product for one thing. Legality. They will change the chemical composition to any configuration that is not legislated on. This means they can't account for things like liver toxicity.

So these "legal" products are not like steroids because they have negative side effects worse than ANY actual steroid.

[SpecialK]

Roddy:

The point is that these companies formulate their product for one thing. Legality. They will change the chemical composition to any configuration that is not legislated on. This means they can't account for things like liver toxicity.

So these "legal" products are not like steroids because they have negative side effects worse than ANY actual steroid.

Just because a compound is different chemically doesn't automatically make it worse, it just means no one actually knows how it differs, and whether it is better or worse. While I highly doubt that anyone is ever going to publish a paper on a survey of side effects of the "new" gear compared to existing steroids, you cannot automatically conclude that new = worse.

Although I will say that it's better to go with the devil you do know than the one you don't know, so in that respect it's better to go with the more well-understood compounds. Again though, you also have to consider the legal consequences. As I said in my previous post, not everyone is willing to risk their career and clean criminal record for a few lbs. of LBM.

[Holto]

Just because a compound is different chemically doesn't automatically make it worse.

Just the fact that it is oral makes it worse than injectable. It requires first and second pass metabolism by the liver. Then when you take, say a methly group, and slap it on it's that much more work for the organs.

So to make something new and different, and therefore not yet illegal, it has to be a more complex configuration because all the basic ones are allready illegal.

[SpecialK]

Just the fact that it is oral makes it worse than injectable. It requires first and second pass metabolism by the liver. Then when you take, say a methly group, and slap it on it's that much more work for the organs.

So to make something new and different, and therefore not yet illegal, it has to be a more complex configuration because all the basic ones are allready illegal.

OK, that is true. I thought you were comparing the legal orals (or previously legal) to the long-standing illegal ones (dbol, drol, etc.)

[Davidelmo]

Just because a compound is different chemically doesn't automatically make it worse, it just means no one actually knows how it differs, and whether it is better or worse. While I highly doubt that anyone is ever going to publish a paper on a survey of side effects of the "new" gear compared to existing steroids, you cannot automatically conclude that new = worse.

Although I will say that it's better to go with the devil you do know than the one you don't know, so in that respect it's better to go with the more well-understood compounds. Again though, you also have to consider the legal consequences. As I said in my previous post, not everyone is willing to risk their career and clean criminal record for a few lbs. of LBM.

That's not exactly encouraging. And yet people are still willing to take it when they have NO idea about the damage to their liver, kidneys and endocrine system.

IMO if you were going to do a cycle, you might as well do a tried and tested one - much safer than a brand new oral with completely unknown effects.

[SpecialK]

That's not exactly encouraging. And yet people are still willing to take it when they have NO idea about the damage to their liver, kidneys and endocrine system.

IMO if you were going to do a cycle, you might as well do a tried and tested one - much safer than a brand new oral with completely unknown effects.

I'm personally more worried about the legal consequences, but to each his own. For someone who cycles very infrequently I doubt those substances would lead to any serious problems, provided you run sensible cycles and run a proper PCT. Heck, have complete bloodwork done before and after if you are really paranoid about your health. That will be a good indicator of just how bad the compounds really are.

[Davidelmo]

I'm personally more worried about the legal consequences, but to each his own. For someone who cycles very infrequently I doubt those substances would lead to any serious problems, provided you run sensible cycles and run a proper PCT. Heck, have complete bloodwork done before and after if you are really paranoid about your health. That will be a good indicator of just how bad the compounds really are.

I would be more worried about my health than the legal consequences. That said, I'm a med student so I would have a lot to lose if I was caught with illegal drugs... but I still value my health above everything else.

You're right that a sensible cycle with good PCT would reduce the risk but no-one knows the long term effects of many of these products. i.e. there are delayed cases of gyno from people who have finished superdrol cycles. They suddenly get gyno a few months later. At least 500mg test and nolva has been used for years and years.

[Holto]

I'm personally more worried about the legal consequences,.

Gotta ask.

Why?

[SpecialK]

Gotta ask.

Why?

Read the book Legal Muscle by Rick Collins. Collins is a former competitive bodybuilder who is now a lawyer and represents people who have been convicted of steroid possession. The case studies in there are quite scary to read about. It talks about how normal guys with a family, good job, and no criminal record are suddenly in trouble with the law and unable to find a good job anymore because they now have a criminal record.

It also talks about all the tactics used to catch steroid buyers, from rats and sting operations, to controlled deliveries, to packages that are wired with a transmitter that will go off once you open the package.

[Davidelmo]

Read the book Legal Muscle by Rick Collins. Collins is a former competitive bodybuilder who is now a lawyer and represents people who have been convicted of steroid possession. The case studies in there are quite scary to read about. It talks about how normal guys with a family, good job, and no criminal record are suddenly in trouble with the law and unable to find a good job anymore because they now have a criminal record.

It also talks about all the tactics used to catch steroid buyers, from rats and sting operations, to controlled deliveries, to packages that are wired with a transmitter that will go off once you open the package.

Lame... why don't they spend that time on real criminals? Steroids should be illegal IMO.. at least to deter idiots from using them. Of course idiots still do get them and use them but at least it's more difficult than walking into your local chemist. Also with steroids, the person who comes off worse if they go wrong is yourself. I would count weapon dealers, rapists, murderers, gang wars etc as much worse. Instead of spending a fortune convicting an ordinary guy of posession they should go after real scumbags who harm society.

[Holto]

Read the book Legal Muscle by Rick Collins. Collins is a former competitive bodybuilder who is now a lawyer and represents people who have been convicted of steroid possession. The case studies in there are quite scary to read about. It talks about how normal guys with a family, good job, and no criminal record are suddenly in trouble with the law and unable to find a good job anymore because they now have a criminal record.

It also talks about all the tactics used to catch steroid buyers, from rats and sting operations, to controlled deliveries, to packages that are wired with a transmitter that will go off once you open the package.

Cool thanks.

In my country they aren't illegal.