PCT Advice

[Kong]

Hi everyone,
I recently started an 12 week course of test prop 50mg/eod and winstrol 25mg/day. I realise the choice of winstrol is probably gonna get flamed but the fact is that i was naive enough to take advice off the 'big guy' in the gym as i didnt know as much about its negatives as i do now but i seem to be handling it fine. Its my first course and i am taking it while cutting on a tkd hoping to lose about 20 Ibs through the diet. My strength gains are increasing steadily while slowly losing bodyfat (4Ibs so far after a month). Question is, if i have my last shot of prop on a friday i should start my nolvadex treatment monday right? Also will 1 week at 40mg a day and 2 weeks at 20 be adequate and will hcg be required at such a low dose of test. And lastly should i start clen before my last shot so it has built up when the test clears or should i start it with my pct. Thanks

[HILL]

i wouldnt use the clen to be honest as it doesnt have much of an anabolic effect.

For 12 weeks i wouldnt see a need to hcg however if your nuts have shrank then you will need it its down to you really.

That dose of nolva should be fine if you feel you have any issues contine with the nolva or another week.

keep those cals up and lower the intenisty of your training slightly

[ripped_one]

That cycle was BARELY anabolic, if at all. I would have at least done 100mg/EOD even for a first cycle. Just run standard PCT protocol, as mentioned 1000x on this board. You won't need HCG.

[Davidelmo]

He's cutting - he's looking to be losing fat and losing no muscle at all from being on.

[ripped_one]

He's cutting - he's looking to be losing fat and losing no muscle at all from being on.

My point is that he was not even taking enough exogenous test to even replace his natural test, which is pointless for any reason. If youre not trying to build mass or hold onto mass that you gained 'unnaturally' while you cut, theres no reason to use gear, period.

[Kong]

Thanks guys. Just got my Tamoxifen and will start next week. I know im not taking high doses but what im taking is helping me gain strength while cutting which ive never managed before so its obviously having some effect. What else should i take apart from creatine and the tamoxifen post-cycle to maintain what ive gained?

[Davidelmo]

My point is that he was not even taking enough exogenous test to even replace his natural test, which is pointless for any reason. If youre not trying to build mass or hold onto mass that you gained 'unnaturally' while you cut, theres no reason to use gear, period.


oh bugger, sorry i didn't see he's only using 50mg!

[ripped_one]

I know im not taking high doses but what im taking is helping me gain strength while cutting which ive never managed before so its obviously having some effect.

What are your true stats, height, weight, bf%, age, etc.

[Kong]

Height - 6ft 2, Weight 229Ibs, Approx 25% BF, 21 Years old. I want to get down to about 15% without losing the mass i have hence using the stuff

[HILL]

well i did the exact same thing over 30 weeks pop in my journal to see how it went and ask ne questions its in my sig. i went from 25%+ to 14-15% in 30ish weeks