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RedSpikeyThing
11-22-2006, 09:07 PM
When I deadlift heavy my hips have a tendancy to go up to early. I'm finally able to explode up, but when I do my leg drive goes into pushing my ass up and not really lifting the weight. I almost feel like I have to baby it to get it off the ground.
So how exactly do you push up explosively with the legs and keep your ass down? It just doesn't seem natural to me :(

Stumprrp
11-22-2006, 10:39 PM
i do this, i need help with it badly also good topic! easy extra 30 lbs if i fixed this.

deeder
11-23-2006, 12:32 AM
I've never really experienced that problem.

Just be sure that you are looking up and pulling back. Hope that helps!

RedSpikeyThing
11-23-2006, 12:11 PM
The only advice I've read about this, and it makes sense intuitively, is to drive with the heals. Kind if leaning back. I just haven't been able to put into practice on a heavy lift.

Bohizzle
11-23-2006, 12:18 PM
i'm leaning back more and more, but my hips are still coming up first, and it's pissing the hell out of me lol, i can't seem to get them in synch with my back. so if anybody has the be all, end all advice, please, do tell lol.

Andrew

Relentless
11-23-2006, 02:39 PM
Before you start your pull, "dip" your hips a little bit. Basically get in place, set your grip, get comfy, and then dip your hips down a little.

You will have to take care not to "yank" the weight but dipping the hips will help you get under your shoulders and keep an arch in your back.

Stumprrp
11-23-2006, 04:35 PM
relentless this helped me some, same with leaning back its how i easily pulled 515 after missing 505.

Sensei
11-24-2006, 07:44 AM
i'm leaning back more and more, but my hips are still coming up first, and it's pissing the hell out of me lol, i can't seem to get them in synch with my back. so if anybody has the be all, end all advice, please, do tell lol.
I don't have the be-all end-all advice at all, but when I was doing box squats, CV deadlifts (deadlifts off of a low cable), and Bulgarian split squats on a regular basis I was able to get my legs into the movement more.

I agree w. RedSpikeyThing that the key is to pull "back" rather than up.

SkinnySadMan
11-24-2006, 07:54 AM
I tend to raise my hips before the shoulders when I'm starting to feel all fatigued and lazy...i.e. near muscle failure.

Sexybeast777
12-02-2006, 01:21 AM
Keep your butt down in the beggining, lift with your legs

Fuzzy
12-02-2006, 01:56 AM
Or... drop the weights...

Master the form.

Then go stuff your ego, if your hips are coming off, thats placing a ****load of unnecissary force on your back wich has to lever it up.

Lead with your head and shoulder, everything should be moving together.

ALso making sure you have a really good back arch helps.

Bohizzle
12-02-2006, 07:30 AM
Before you start your pull, "dip" your hips a little bit. Basically get in place, set your grip, get comfy, and then dip your hips down a little.

You will have to take care not to "yank" the weight but dipping the hips will help you get under your shoulders and keep an arch in your back.

I've always dipped down a bit, but I've been trying to dip more, and it seems to be working slightly. I think my main problem is still hip/ham/ankle flexibility which was hindering my squats as well, which I am still working on. Thanks for the tip.

Sensei, I think my form resembles Konsti's somewhat (obviously at like 1/3 of the weight haha), but I seem to be pulling more with my back then with leg drive, much like how Chris Mason does his deadlifts (If memory serves me correctly). I've tried getting very low at the beginning of the lift and I just couldn't get any good numbers up and it just felt really awkward. I'm gunna keep working on it though, thanks for the tips.

Andrew

Sensei
12-02-2006, 08:54 AM
I've tried getting very low at the beginning of the lift and I just couldn't get any good numbers up and it just felt really awkward. I'm gunna keep working on it though, thanks for the tips.
AndrewI don't know what the answer is. After a certain point, lowering the hips any further will just move your center of gravity further away from the bar (unless you are DLing sumo). Hope the numbers keep going up for you!

arnoldsclone
12-02-2006, 09:17 AM
The way my coach for track and field and football trained me to powerlift period, was like this ( envision a very fat man, bald, big glasses, olympic weight lifting coach for reals), keep your chest out and as up towards the ceiling as possible, feet where they're comfortable usually shoulder width, keep your but low, stare at the same spot on the wall across from you to keep your back aligned( critical), then stand up like you're standing out of a chair.

Stumprrp
12-02-2006, 09:26 AM
Or... drop the weights...

Master the form.

Then go stuff your ego, if your hips are coming off, thats placing a ****load of unnecissary force on your back wich has to lever it up.

Lead with your head and shoulder, everything should be moving together.

ALso making sure you have a really good back arch helps.

Tried this and i do the same crap the only way i can lift with my legs is 225 and under, i get SOME leg drive but i think the key is pulling back, im not going to drop under 405 now that im in the low 5's for reps! but i see where your coming from, the deadlift is a primary BACK exersize.

Sexybeast777
12-02-2006, 10:46 AM
The way my coach for track and field and football trained me to powerlift period, was like this ( envision a very fat man, bald, big glasses, olympic weight lifting coach for reals), keep your chest out and as up towards the ceiling as possible, feet where they're comfortable usually shoulder width, keep your but low, stare at the same spot on the wall across from you to keep your back aligned( critical), then stand up like you're standing out of a chair.

Very interesting, and very true...This is probably one of the best ways to deadlift. I also want to add that, when I seem to get stuck somewhere midway, what seems to help is to close my eyes and struggle with all my heart and soul to lift the way all the way up, then when I get all the way up, I lock out and hold the way for a couple of seconds...:)

Bohizzle
12-02-2006, 09:10 PM
I don't know what the answer is. After a certain point, lowering the hips any further will just move your center of gravity further away from the bar (unless you are DLing sumo). Hope the numbers keep going up for you!

That's pretty much exactly what happened when I'd drop my hips lower. I got a new pr today, although it might not count in a comp (IPF: it was going really slow up my thighs, never stopped, but they might call me for holding it there) but it got locked out without any hitching. As of right now, I'm happy with the way my dead is progressing (40lb increase in 3.5 months, and lifts that are a lot cleaner), I just need to get stronger :D. Thanks for the tips and info, they've definitely helped. Oh and the help you as well as others gave me in regards to my squat a while back helped a lot! thanks again.

Andrew