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gicts
11-27-2006, 10:21 PM
lol sorry I guess I should have cleaned the mirror. Just looking for comments and a place to go from here. I'm 6'1 and 186
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Tofer
11-27-2006, 10:46 PM
Well, at the moment, you're not very fat and you're not skinny, but it doesn't appear that you have too much muscle on you (could be a body fat % thing, though). Are you just getting started or have you been in the game for a while? It would help to know where you are in your training, what your goals are, what your diet is like, etc. and then I'm sure we can help you out with whatever you need.

gicts
11-27-2006, 11:20 PM
I've been working out off and on for several years. All through high school 3-5 days a week. Now I'm a soph in college and only worked out for about 4 months last year and I've been working out for about a month and ready to get back in shape and fit. I'd like to eventually get to 200. Maybe by adding around 10 more lbs then cutting? I usually aim for 200g's of protein and 3-4k calories a day

JamesBOMB
11-28-2006, 01:40 AM
How about staying on for a few years and be dedicated. Overall you need alot of work. Better start slamming on the weight before its time to cut

gicts
11-28-2006, 07:45 AM
sticking with it is something that I want to do. How much more weigh should I add before I cut?

KingJustin
11-28-2006, 08:01 AM
My opinion might differ from some others, but if I were you I'd go for the body recomposition strategy. Clean up your diet (read the stickies & the diet articles, read some of John Berardi's stuff, etc), do HIIT 1-3x per week, and focus on progressive overload while you life 3-4x a week.

You might want to consider crossfit as well.

Bohizzle
11-28-2006, 08:18 AM
My opinion might differ from some others, but if I were you I'd go for the body recomposition strategy. Clean up your diet (read the stickies & the diet articles, read some of John Berardi's stuff, etc), do HIIT 1-3x per week, and focus on progressive overload while you life 3-4x a week.

You might want to consider crossfit as well.

agreed

Jordanbcool
11-28-2006, 09:24 AM
Bulk like your survival depended on it. Then worry about cutting.

JamesBOMB
11-28-2006, 12:11 PM
Him being new I wouldnt bulk to much, not alot of newbies can cut "effectively" to what I would call a decent cut. Since your new I would just eat enough to put on 1-2lbs a month and train like mad, keep the food clean to minimize the fat gain

WBBIRL
11-28-2006, 12:17 PM
You should bulk clean, although I think 1-2 pounds a month may be a little slow and at your current status the 15 pounds or so wouldn't make a big difference. You would probably need twice that to see any kind of real differences in physiques.

Just up the calories about 700 per day and hit the weights hard, mother nature and sleep will do the rest.

JamesBOMB
11-28-2006, 12:40 PM
People need to stop looking for changes in size due to WEIGHT GAIN. Thats not what I want to see and others shouldnt want that either. Hes obviously new at this game and with 2lb gain a month its more than enough and his strength and size should naturally blow up

SaVvY
11-28-2006, 01:10 PM
from those pictures it looks like you have basically no muscle mass what so ever, an dont really have a low body fat either - i wouldnt know you had trained a day in your life

arnoldsclone
11-28-2006, 02:04 PM
from those pictures it looks like you have basically no muscle mass what so ever, an dont really have a low body fat either - i wouldnt know you had trained a day in your life

that was rough man, i have seen much much worse from people who have "trained"

you need to get a god diet going and start trying to keep with a routine, and write down your work outs, keep track of them. When you see your progress written down, then it's easier to see it and be motivated by it. You have some type of a build starting that i can see bud! just keep working, do wbb1 or something else simple to start, good luck don'tr be a bob

Davidelmo
11-28-2006, 03:46 PM
from those pictures it looks like you have basically no muscle mass what so ever, an dont really have a low body fat either - i wouldnt know you had trained a day in your life

That wasn't construcitve or helpful. It's just de-motivating.

Everyone has to start somewhere. I vote for clean bulk. If you need help visit the diet forum. Choose a good lifting routine and get a diet sorted and I'm sure you'll be happy with the results.

JamesBOMB
11-28-2006, 03:50 PM
I am all for bad critisism. If you cant deal with the talk then you cant deal with busting your as$. If someone laughs at me I will A. flex in front of them and laugh harder or B. bust my ass harder and when I see them again push them into the lake

Are we guys or girls in here:scratch:

SaVvY
11-28-2006, 05:01 PM
I am all for bad critisism. If you cant deal with the talk then you cant deal with busting your as$. If someone laughs at me I will A. flex in front of them and laugh harder or B. bust my ass harder and when I see them again push them into the lake

Are we guys or girls in here:scratch:
exactly

i was asked to give an honest opinion, so i gave just that, if thats not helpful then i should not have been asked to give it

an if somebody told me they couldn't even tell i trained from looking at me, the first thing id do is make a short list:

1. must train harder
2. must eat more

Mercuryblade
11-28-2006, 05:16 PM
Yeah definately don't worry about the cutting. Do a nice slow clean bulk. Put on some lean mass, the more lean mass you get on you the easier it'll be to drop the fat come summer (or spring) whatever you are aiming for.

Like everyone here said:
Get a good routine down
Get a good diet

Take pictures and track your progress, especially if you haven't been lifting very heavily for a few years, with a good diet and a good routine you are going to get really large newbie gains. I never really notice how much my body has changed until I actually look at pictures from earlier months.

Levantar
11-28-2006, 10:16 PM
If I were you, I would just hit the weights consistantly and eat alot of calories. Set some goals on strength or weight and don't worry about "cutting" until you hit those goals.

Focused70
11-29-2006, 04:16 AM
don't worry about not cleaning your mirror. I got slammed for that too. ;)

as for input, EAT like you've never done before and you'll fill out great. then cut.

WBBIRL
11-29-2006, 05:10 AM
I think in general people are too nice on these types of issues.

Sometimes I see people greatly exaggerate someone's progress and it kinda puzzles me. On one point you can tell a difference, but its not like the person in question is a sack of muscles just yet. Theres being honest and then theres being nice.

Jorge Sanchez
12-01-2006, 08:53 PM
I'm going to go against the consensus and say maintain or go on a slow cut first.

The number one thing you need is dedication. Off and on will not cut it.

McIrish
12-01-2006, 11:32 PM
My opinion might differ from some others, but if I were you I'd go for the body recomposition strategy. Clean up your diet (read the stickies & the diet articles, read some of John Berardi's stuff, etc), do HIIT 1-3x per week, and focus on progressive overload while you life 3-4x a week.

You might want to consider crossfit as well.

+1

Who knows, with newb gains being what they are, you could reasonably expect to even gain muscle mass while lowering your body fat at this point. Whatever you do, you'll see GREAT gains if you stick with it consistently. Get to it! :)