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Josh21
11-28-2006, 07:30 PM
I've been searching the internet in hope in finding something to help me increase my speed and jumping. I found things like the "Strength Shoe" that says you can jump so many more inches for how long you use it. For example, I found a couple websites promising things that seem just unreal to me. http://www.speedexperts.com/?hop=visn2020 , http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/verticaljump.html?hop=cloughie . I'm sure you've all seen things like these. Are these scams? Has anybody tried anything like this? ( I used the search bar but couldn't find any specifics. )

CosmicForce
11-29-2006, 02:45 AM
Here is a list of plyometric exercises on the upper left hand side of the page.
http://www.exrx.net/Lists/PowerExercises.html
Articles on plyometric exercise routines under Conditioning section.
http://www.powerbasketball.com/page2.html

ericg
11-29-2006, 05:26 AM
Dr Squat has a routine on increasing your vert. I would try that before the jump shoes. Explosive lifts will help your vert like the olympic lifts. Plyometrics, as stated above, will also help with explosion and your agility. You dont want any gimmick products, what you need is a solid off season routine.

Oh and I forgot to mention that there have been some threads on here about this very topic before. Once the database of all the older threads is squared away you should be able to pull up some infor via the search.

teenathlete3030
12-01-2006, 05:27 AM
Hey, the vertical jump development bible is for real. Not only does that book give you programs, but it teaches you why what you're doing is working, or not working, and different programs for different body types. Well worth the $40 in my opinion.

Josh21
01-07-2007, 07:49 PM
so you tried the jump bible thingy and its worked for you?? and do you know anything that can make you faster?

WestsideWarrior
02-24-2007, 12:04 AM
Josh, to increase your vert, do squats with less weight and more reps. Calf raises wouldn't hurt either. And for speed, look into SPARQ products.

bo-da beast71
02-24-2007, 07:47 PM
go to vertimax .com i have it and have seen great results. top pro teams ,colleges and highschools all use it. that is better than anything else. so check that out, and something that isnt as good but is still very effective is jump roping.

Josh21
03-02-2007, 10:37 PM
go to vertimax .com i have it and have seen great results. top pro teams ,colleges and highschools all use it. that is better than anything else. so check that out, and something that isnt as good but is still very effective is jump roping.

How much is it? What were your improvements, and how long did it take to reach them?

BigGunz#44
03-03-2007, 12:12 PM
To help you alot with football and to get big is to pump hard.. And to do alot of hard reps on squats/leg press/bench squats then go do some glute hams that helps improve your 40 time.. and if you can get a pair of those Strength shoes and a speed launcher belt and do 50 yard sprints with that. Cuase when you work your legs hard they produce more growth hormones then doing arms and chest. Cause quadriceps are one of the biggest muscles in your body. That well help out alot in football and to remember to drive your feet always no matter what position you are!



Age-16 Height-6'2

B/P-230

S/Q-355

D/L-455

40-4.78

Josh21
03-09-2007, 03:44 PM
To help you alot with football and to get big is to pump hard.. And to do alot of hard reps on squats/leg press/bench squats then go do some glute hams that helps improve your 40 time.. and if you can get a pair of those Strength shoes and a speed launcher belt and do 50 yard sprints with that. Cuase when you work your legs hard they produce more growth hormones then doing arms and chest. Cause quadriceps are one of the biggest muscles in your body. That well help out alot in football and to remember to drive your feet always no matter what position you are!



Age-16 Height-6'2

B/P-230

S/Q-355

D/L-455

40-4.78

damn nice, I got strong legs in my blood so that should help :) .. whats a speed launcher belt?

teenathlete3030
03-09-2007, 04:10 PM
Yes, I used the vertical jump development bible. I'll put it this way. Last year I could from a down and up vertical hit the bottom of the springbox of the rim (about 9'6") Now I can tap the rim, and I haven't grown at all. Another thing I'm going to tell you is this:

I used one of the programs in the book, for novice trainee, and only went up an inch or two. At the same time I gained 11 pounds, mostly muscle, by eating a lot. The end workout ended with a 4x4 set rep scheme. I used that after the program was over and added 10-15 pounds on core lifts EVERY WEEK only working out 2x a week. Eventually the gains slowed down and it was time to try something new. Here's the thing. Since I read the book, I acquired the KNOWLEDGE on what to try next. Basketball went by, hard to gain during a sport, then I got a stress fracture, out for a month. Recovered, lost 5 pounds of fat, and have increased my vertical up to the present 27" standing. Right now I am learning some olympic lifts, and I have no doubt that by the end of track I will have a 30+ inch vertical.

teenathlete3030
03-09-2007, 04:15 PM
Also,

1-3 reps= power, strength
4-6 reps= strength, hypertrophy
6-12 reps= hypertrophy, smaller amounts of strength
>12 reps= endourance

For football use a combination of 1-3, 4-6, and 6-12 reps, mostly the first two.

Don't get the strength shoes. They are a gimmick and will give you more injury than gains. This came from a highly regarded strength and conditioning specialist.

ValleyFR
03-10-2007, 02:20 PM
Well over summer my college sent me a lifting program to do and i added some stuff myself. Some of them were high reps on sqauts and then one legged squats and jump squats. You need to work on explosiveness in your lifts, so when you go down you need to come up as fast as you can. Also when you do jump squats you need to just do it hard every time or you wont get the effects from it.


I have had a bad first year of college. Came to college weighted out at 270 6'1, and jumped for 30' vert and 4.84 40, and a 4.56 pro. And as fresh practices went on was doing great got all the way down to 230, and i remember watching St. Louis vs 49'ers on TV when i saw a pimple/ingrown hair on my knee and started to play with it. Well...ended up turning into a staph infection and put me out for the last 8 weeks of the season cuz i had to get my knee cut open and get drained out and cleaned and was put on a lot of antibiotics. Then when lifting started in the winter ended up with strept and kept getting worst, lol. It sucked...but um...right now i am 255, loosing weight again but a lot of my maxes droped from summer cuz freshman had no mandatory lift time, it was voulantary for us till winter lifting, but my clean is back to normal my sqaut blows and got to work on my bench. Jumped a 27 vert, and i have to improve on that. So i am doing a lot of cleans, jump sqauts, and plyo agi stuff. Anyways....improving vert...is no easy thing at all. I sept every leg day during summer standing under a basketball goal and jumping up and touching the rim every time, 4x10 when i got done lifting. when you aim to improve something for football....it takes...a lot of work.

saia127
03-10-2007, 07:08 PM
I play soccer and something that helped me get faster was I think its is called a ladder. Not sure though.

ValleyFR
03-10-2007, 07:10 PM
Yeah, ladder is something that is stressed in football. Things like high knees, side shuffles, the icky shuffle...which i still dont understand how to do. But the Dot drill and a line drill where all you need is a line, that you jump back and forth over, and side to side, one leg both ways, as high as you can both ways, and speed steps side to side and front to back. It helps a lot.

Mr. _____
03-11-2007, 06:42 PM
I currently have a 31.5" standing vert and all I do is weightlifting for legs. I'd say the leg program for WBB#1 is great to use. At the beginning of the program (pre-February 1st) I would have to do a full running start and jump just to barely touch rim. The other day, 1 month and 1 week later, I was leaving school, with my semi-heavy backpack on, and could touch rim with no running start, just standing there and jumping and I got it. Lifting has definitely has improved my vertical jump an unbelievable amount. I haven't done any plyometrics or stuff like that, although I'm sure it would help too. I'd say the most important thing for jumping is to strengthen your legs as much as possible through weightlifting. Look into WBB#1. Lifting will improve your speed too. I'd also suggest joining your school's spring track team and running the 100m and/or 110m hurdles to really improve your speed for football. I'd be very skeptical of any shoes that supposedly give you improvements on jumping or speed.

ValleyFR
03-11-2007, 07:56 PM
working out your legs a lot will help to, but if you do not practice the movements themselves you wont be able to do them the b est of yoru abilities. I would suggest doing just in place jumps or box jumps with jump squats. Same thing with speed and quickness, if you dont practice running full speed, you wont be any good at it.

FalconFootball
03-13-2007, 06:40 PM
remember to drive your feet always no matter what position you are!
(awsome advice Biggunz!)

Good advice so important to, and as for working out haha go hard with ur quads, and calfs dont hurt to work either if u wanna get faster. So Squats and Calf raises are key! Yea and Agility ladders are stressed alot in football like someone posted early, high knees, quick feet!

saia127
03-13-2007, 09:36 PM
Doing drills that work on jumping will help you alot on your acceleration from the line.

From what I'm told.

ValleyFR
03-14-2007, 01:17 AM
Doing drills that work on jumping will help you alot on your acceleration from the line.

From what I'm told.

jumping will help with getting off the line? eh...explosiveness so maybe...but...you would have to do a standing jump. So pretty much stand on a line and jump out as far as you can...works the same muscles...

saia127
03-14-2007, 09:40 AM
That what I meant. I just couldn't find the right words.

aming37
03-14-2007, 10:02 PM
I haven't bought either of the two products you mentioned but I think they are both legit. I've seen tons of posts on multiple forums saying the vertical jump bible is excellent and as far as the speed training product on the website, I have other books by 3 of those guys, Alwyn Cosgrove, Gray Cook and Bill Hartman and all of them are for real. Hope that helps.

ValleyFR
03-15-2007, 01:33 AM
http://www.defrancostraining.com/articles/archive/articles_westside.htm easy workout routine and its easy as hell. I am going to modify some stuff around this because when you read the descriptions and look at the reps and amount of sets you realize how much this will help. Especially as an athlete you only have to lift 3 days and the rest of the week is conditioning, speed or rest.

Josh21
03-19-2007, 01:46 PM
question about vertical jump bible, if I'm doing track right now and lifting also, does this mean; i cannot increase my vert, at this point in time because I am in a sporting season?

Josh21
03-24-2007, 12:37 PM
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ValleyFR
03-24-2007, 12:42 PM
....i am sorry was that a serious question? How would running track and lifting prvent you from increasing your vert? do the vert plyo's and lifts while you are lifting on leg days

aming37
03-30-2007, 01:32 PM
question about vertical jump bible, if I'm doing track right now and lifting also, does this mean; i cannot increase my vert, at this point in time because I am in a sporting season?

Lifting weights will help increase your vertical.

Personally I wouldn't recommend doing lots of high intensity plyometrics during the competitive season because the pounding from the running and the plyometrics combined can cause problems like tendonitis or shin splints. If you want to do plyometrics do some lower impact drills. Michael Boyle, a well-known strength and conditioning coach says to do at the most 25 jumps per workout and 100 jumps per week.

The same goes with weightlifting. Always lift hard in the weight room, but don't kill yourself day in and day out, especially during the competitive season. The chances of getting injured or overtraining outweigh the possible benefits.

To sum it up, spend your off season getting in shape and your competition season maintaining (and competing). Competing is hard enough on your body as it is.