Gaining substantial wieght without fat

[dabaugh]

Fellas, im on a quest to gain around 15 lbs. ive been a swimmer my whole life at around 5.5% bf and now that i am done with it (8 years year round), iam looking to put on the pounds but it seems the most substantial way to gain weight fast comes with fat! eating, protien/high calorie shakes, etc, and ive been cutting down on cardio.
Can i still get huge and keep a low body fat but still get weight the fastest way possible?

[Questor]

Fastest way to build muscle without the fat is to not bulk fast.

[dabaugh]

yea i figured, but i mean, i really want to go for the quick fix, ive been so skinny my whole life, so i dont know when i ask, is it easy to take the fat off if i go ahead and continue putting it on once i want to cut down to 168?

[RedSpikeyThing]

Fellas, im on a quest to gain around 15 lbs. ive been a swimmer my whole life at around 5.5% bf

No you haven't. A professional bodybuilder is barely that and they keep it that way for only a few hours at a time.

You will gain fat when you bulk up. To minimize the amount of fat you gain, eat just slightly of maintenance. It will take a long time, but the trade off is you probably won't have to cut. Alternatively, for the "quick fix", eat everything in sight and cut off the fat later.

[dabaugh]

No you haven't. A professional bodybuilder is barely that and they keep it that way for only a few hours at a time.

You will gain fat when you bulk up. To minimize the amount of fat you gain, eat just slightly of maintenance. It will take a long time, but the trade off is you probably won't have to cut. Alternatively, for the "quick fix", eat everything in sight and cut off the fat later.

Well, i was professionally measured by a fitness director and i was pretty close to it. but anyways, i think i would like to go withh the quick fix, but how hard is it to cut (as i have no experience doing so), would cutting from like 12%bf to 7% take years or no?

[Fuzzy]

Fat aint that bad bro.

Adds a big meaty look to your frame, not saying you have to have a gut, but a bit of fat looks alot better than grossly ripped.

Just eat, once your aabout 20 lbs heavier, you really wont care about the bit of fat.

[nhlfan]

15 more pounds will not make you "huge"

[dabaugh]

well you know..15+...but i am sick of being that skinny swimmer kid so im defenitely willing to grow a little gut, but i sure wont be used to it! heh

[Jordanbcool]

well you know..15+...but i am sick of being that skinny swimmer kid so im defenitely willing to grow a little gut, but i sure wont be used to it! heh

Just bulk. Dont worry about it so much.

Eat lift and sleep. Its simple. Work your ass off in that gym, eat the right foods and get enough sleep.

Read around for the specifics about those three but once you got em down you're good to go.

[JConrad]

Is it possible to gain muscle without fat, yes.
Is it possible to gain muscle quickly without fat, no (unless you're a hollywood film star, I don't know how but they seem to manage it)

So you have two options, bulk slow or bulk fast Basically the faster you want to gain muscle the more it will cost you in terms of fat gains which will have to be taken care of at a later date. But what you want, a fast, lean bulk isn't possible.
I sincerely wish it was, as does everyone else on WBB.

[Fuzzy]

Hmm...

Sorry to take attention away from the OP.

But if I did 5x5/6x3 scheme for four months, on a clean bulk, would I be able to put on a good 20lbs with minimal fat gains? 16lbs muscle/4lbs fat?

[arnoldsclone]

here's what you'll need to do man, try to eat mostly protein, do 3 sets 12 reps on all your exercises, make sure you're FAILING on every set, make sure you're squating, deadlifting, benching, doing pull ups , dips(just to name a few), only eat slow digesting carbs like oats and grains, and veggies. Eat lean sources of protein, and healthy mono unsat fats, and poly unsat fats. This way you're body will have trouble putting fat on because you wonn't be giving it enough carbs or fat to store much fat at all, also keep to 6 meals a day at 500 cals a piece so you're always in a an anabolic state. keep adding weight to the lifts you do as soon as you hit like 14 reps on a given exercise, and lastly good luck, use this advice you'll go far.:birthday:

[SaVvY]

Fellas, im on a quest to gain around 15 lbs. ive been a swimmer my whole life at around 5.5% bf and now that i am done with it (8 years year round), iam looking to put on the pounds but it seems the most substantial way to gain weight fast comes with fat! eating, protien/high calorie shakes, etc, and ive been cutting down on cardio.
Can i still get huge and keep a low body fat but still get weight the fastest way possible?
did you want to be a world champion powerlifter? bodybuilder? strongman? sumo wrestler? are you going to die soon?

if your answer to all these questions is no, whats the hurry? in order to gain muscle fast, you must also gain body fat, you have to eat more than you burn off, so your body will be forced to gain weight

any other option is much slower - i dont see much of a problem with this method though, as you could surely just swim the body fat off afterwards??

good luck!

[Stumprrp]

I disagree, i put on 20 lbs and i really blew the heck up, 20 lbs is alot of weight on someone like me, at around 5'8

eat meals with very high calorie dense food that are natural as possible.

the best are the following

whole milk
red meat
full fat cheese
peanuts
peanut butter
nuts
stuff cooked in olive oil
poultry

theres so much man just dont forget to eat your fruits and vegys also.

[arnoldsclone]

oh, i forgot, give yourself till this august it will take time, to make a quality build takes time no matter what you're doing natty, gear, there's another story....

[dabaugh]

did you want to be a world champion powerlifter? bodybuilder? strongman? sumo wrestler? are you going to die soon?

if your answer to all these questions is no, whats the hurry? in order to gain muscle fast, you must also gain body fat, you have to eat more than you burn off, so your body will be forced to gain weight

any other option is much slower - i dont see much of a problem with this method though, as you could surely just swim the body fat off afterwards??

good luck!

Thanks savvy, well honestly im just sick of being the small kid. I mean ive noticed differences over the summer, since ive started lifting, but i wannabebig! (no pun intended) heh. But i anticipate fighting brazillian jiu jitsu in a couple years after training, so it wouldnt be bad to have some muscle for that. And im trying to eat like a horse, it almost seems like eating isnt ANY fun anymore because i stretch my stomach out every meal. its like work.

[SaVvY]

Thanks savvy, well honestly im just sick of being the small kid. I mean ive noticed differences over the summer, since ive started lifting, but i wannabebig! (no pun intended) heh. But i anticipate fighting brazillian jiu jitsu in a couple years after training, so it wouldnt be bad to have some muscle for that. And im trying to eat like a horse, it almost seems like eating isnt ANY fun anymore because i stretch my stomach out every meal. its like work.
haha you expected something different? of course its hard work, nothing good ever comes without a price!

[dabaugh]

well shoot, id never thought i could eat myself to the point where it isnt fun anymore!! it used to be a hobby of mine.....lol

[Beast]

unless you're a hollywood film star, I don't know how but they seem to manage it
Top-level trainers, nutritionists, and teh juicy-juice.

[EvanH]

Top-level trainers, nutritionists, and teh juicy-juice.


OMG I love juicy-juice. Oh wait...

[arnoldsclone]

Top-level trainers, nutritionists, and teh juicy-juice.

what flavor juicy juice? :alcoholic

[RedSpikeyThing]

what flavor juicy juice? :alcoholic

Anabolic Apple

[Fuzzy]

Mate, Im telling you, bulk fast.

Look at Stumps pics from 195 to 215 or something like that.

Hes got a bit of fat on hm, but he looks thick and powerful. Love the look, exactly what I strive for.

Once youv put one some of that, youll like it, I can guarentee it.

[dabaugh]

thanks fuz.

[beatlesfreak]

Fellas, im on a quest to gain around 15 lbs. ive been a swimmer my whole life at around 5.5% bf and now that i am done with it (8 years year round), iam looking to put on the pounds but it seems the most substantial way to gain weight fast comes with fat! eating, protien/high calorie shakes, etc, and ive been cutting down on cardio.
Can i still get huge and keep a low body fat but still get weight the fastest way possible?

From one former skinny swimmer to another, just do it. Eat, lift, rest, repeat.

And don't forget to set your goals down on paper and keep track of your progress. When you hit a milestone set the next leg of your course and keep going.

Set goals, work your butt off to get there, then set new goals.

You'll surprise yourself, I'm sure.

Besides, I'm really partial to swimmmers. They have a lot of dedication and make really good lifters. Anyone who can force himself out of bed at 5:00 for an early morning mile in the cold water day after day and year after year certainly has enough stick-to-it-iveness to drink a couple of protein shakes a day and lift weights three times per week for an hour or so at a time. :strong:

[dabaugh]

Besides, I'm really partial to swimmmers. They have a lot of dedication and make really good lifters. Anyone who can force himself out of bed at 5:00 for an early morning mile in the cold water day after day and year after year certainly has enough stick-to-it-iveness to drink a couple of protein shakes a day and lift weights three times per week for an hour or so at a time. :strong:

Haha, you are for sure right on that one! 8 years of year round swimming....i almost put myself in an institution when i was done with all of that! i havent beeen in a pool since state competition meet of this year!, that was in may. when someone is like, "hey lets go hang at the pool", my response is usually "f.u.c.k off" heh

[Fuzzy]

so... you just quit?

after all of that?

Dude, youll have the work ethics, and the patience.

1 year from now... do what Invain did, 60lbs in 14 months.

You can do that.

[dabaugh]

yea man, 8 years of that was enough. like an endless boot camp for a child! rediculous amounts of work, as far as im concerned, its one of the most demanding sports in the world.

Im on my way fuz, ive got 8.5 lbs on me now and thats almost 3 weeks since ive started my new diet and shake

[Roddy]

5.5% my ass

[Fuzzy]

Id believe it... may seem low.

But all that swimming, and I really doubt he was eating enough. Even if he is small, his body would have been growing, using even more precious calories and fat reserves.

It aint a pretty pictire.

[dabaugh]

it wasnt a pretty picture, i looked like something out of uganda, heh

[Songsangnim]

do 3 sets 12 reps on all your exercises, make sure you're FAILING on every set, :



No. Failing on every set is NOT a good idea if you are trying to gain. Period.

[arnoldsclone]

No. Failing on every set is NOT a good idea if you are trying to gain. Period.

i know it's a general "fopa" in lifting to fail on every set, i don't want to sound ignorant either, but i always lift to failure on every set i do, and have had great success gaining mass and strength, i rarely plateu, i gain mass easy, hell it's probably genetic (foot in mouth)!

[RedSpikeyThing]

i know it's a general "fopa" in lifting to fail on every set, i don't want to sound ignorant either, but i always lift to failure on every set i do, and have had great success gaining mass and strength, i rarely plateu, i gain mass easy, hell it's probably genetic (foot in mouth)!

"Faux pas" - it's French.

How long have you been training for?

[arnoldsclone]

"Faux pas" - it's French.

How long have you been training for?

a couple years with the proper technique, form, diet, etc., thanks for the crash course in french......:hello:

[ancom41]

yea man, 8 years of that was enough. like an endless boot camp for a child! rediculous amounts of work, as far as im concerned, its one of the most demanding sports in the world.


Id agree with that. I was in the same situation as you are now. Im not gonna lie, its hard work to gain the weight... most swimmers have a very high calorie maintenance. I went from 155 to 190 and I still have 10lbs to reach my goal. Its been 3 years since i've been in the water. I've been coaching since I stopped, and the one thing that I tell my swimmers is to take the time in the weight room seriously. I wish you look.

Out of curiousity what did you swim? times? short course/long course? 3A, 4A, or 5A?

[Songsangnim]

i know it's a general "fopa" in lifting to fail on every set, i don't want to sound ignorant either, but i always lift to failure on every set i do, and have had great success gaining mass and strength, i rarely plateu, i gain mass easy, hell it's probably genetic (foot in mouth)!





It's not just a faux pas, it's not a good way to gain. The problem with lifting to failure with every set is that your CNS is getting overtaxed. Of course if you are a genetic freak of some kind you might be able to progress quite well on this type of routine for quite a long time...but eventually it will more likely than not catch up with you. Not only that but training to failure every set can very easily lead to proper form being compromised which can lead to injury.

For the average trainer and certainly for one who is natural, training to failure should (at the most) be used only infrequently.

[dabaugh]

Id agree with that. I was in the same situation as you are now. Im not gonna lie, its hard work to gain the weight... most swimmers have a very high calorie maintenance. I went from 155 to 190 and I still have 10lbs to reach my goal. Its been 3 years since i've been in the water. I've been coaching since I stopped, and the one thing that I tell my swimmers is to take the time in the weight room seriously. I wish you look.

Out of curiousity what did you swim? times? short course/long course? 3A, 4A, or 5A?

Thanks man, oh i was 5A, shortcrse yards, my event was 100 breast, i was at 1:04:00, kinda slow, but still 2 secs under qual time

[smalls]

It's not just a faux pas, it's not a good way to gain. The problem with lifting to failure with every set is that your CNS is getting overtaxed. Of course if you are a genetic freak of some kind you might be able to progress quite well on this type of routine for quite a long time...but eventually it will more likely than not catch up with you. Not only that but training to failure every set can very easily lead to proper form being compromised which can lead to injury.

For the average trainer and certainly for one who is natural, training to failure should (at the most) be used only infrequently.


LOL, failure in what rep range? How do you know it's true physiological failure(which is almost never the case) and not just being a pussy. Does everyone respond the exact same way.

You guys and your "buring out the CNS" bull**** kill me every time. Do you really think these people are training to absolute failure, consistently in a manner and with a weight that is actually going to diminish their recovery capacity that they will overtrain? And do you think that training in the 10 RM range vs the 2 RM range effects the CNS the same? What about their diet, genetics, and sleep. And what about the fact that most of us are in the iron game because we enjoy it and some people dont enjoy training very much unless they train to failure.

Yes, their are principles to be followed in order to make progress. But making blanket statments without having all the facts gets annoying.

[Fuzzy]

Damn you... Just haaave to go and throw a billion variables into the mix!

[Songsangnim]

LOL, failure in what rep range? (1) How do you know it's true physiological failure(which is almost never the case) and not just being a pussy. Does everyone respond the exact same way.

You guys and your "buring out the CNS" bull**** kill me every time. (2) Do you really think these people are training to absolute failure, consistently in a manner and with a weight that is actually going to diminish their recovery capacity that they will overtrain? And do you think that training in the 10 RM range vs the 2 RM range effects the CNS the same? (3) What about their diet, genetics, and sleep. And what about the fact that most of us are in the iron game because we enjoy it and some people dont enjoy training very much unless they train to failure.

Yes, their are principles to be followed in order to make progress. (4) But making blanket statments without having all the facts gets annoying.


(numbers are mine)

1. I was addressing my comments to Mr. arnoldsclone. As such I assumed that we were talking about the former (TRUE failure as opposed to "being a pussy"). ALL my comments were based on that.

2. No one said anything about "these people". What I said was that training to failure (and by that I mean TRUE failure where you couldn't do another rep even if someone put a gun to your head) EVERY SET is not good for the CNS. There are exceptions to this rule--see below

3. Diet and genetics and sleep all play a role. However consistantly training to failure EVERY SET OF EVERY WORKOUT is not a good thing. Now if you only work out once a week, yes then OK, you might get away with it. However if you are training 3-5 days (as most people on this site seem to be doing) and doing 20 or so sets a workout, then the risks of overtraining become quite high.


4. The only blanket statement I made was that the average person should not train to [REAL] failure every set of every workout.

[McIrish]

Anabolic Apple

I just laughed my ass off when I read this.

[arnoldsclone]

(numbers are mine)

1. I was addressing my comments to Mr. arnoldsclone. As such I assumed that we were talking about the former (TRUE failure as opposed to "being a pussy"). ALL my comments were based on that.

2. No one said anything about "these people". What I said was that training to failure (and by that I mean TRUE failure where you couldn't do another rep even if someone put a gun to your head) EVERY SET is not good for the CNS. There are exceptions to this rule--see below

3. Diet and genetics and sleep all play a role. However consistantly training to failure EVERY SET OF EVERY WORKOUT is not a good thing. Now if you only work out once a week, yes then OK, you might get away with it. However if you are training 3-5 days (as most people on this site seem to be doing) and doing 20 or so sets a workout, then the risks of overtraining become quite high.


4. The only blanket statement I made was that the average person should not train to [REAL] failure every set of every workout.


i hear you completely, and yes i absolutely fail every time, I think i'm a genetic freak because for the past 2 years my lifts have never plateud, i always am progressing my body responds well to absolute failure. I sleep like a champ, at least 7 hrs a night and eat correctly like a body builder. I'll try only going to failure on the last set for any given motion for a month to see if it's better as an experiment though..........:smoke:

[McVein]

Eventually hit 175 and cut back down to a lean 170

thats some cut

[levronefan]

16 lbs of muscle in 4 months..... unless your cycling then that is an absolute no...... people struggle to put on 4 lbs of muscle during the year....... pretty soon 1 lb of muscle may take YEARS AND YEARS to accomplish...

[levronefan]

No you haven't. A professional bodybuilder is barely that and they keep it that way for only a few hours at a time.

You will gain fat when you bulk up. To minimize the amount of fat you gain, eat just slightly of maintenance. It will take a long time, but the trade off is you probably won't have to cut. Alternatively, for the "quick fix", eat everything in sight and cut off the fat later.


actually some get down to 3-4...... MANY below 5% .......

[Songsangnim]

i hear you completely, and yes i absolutely fail every time, I think i'm a genetic freak because for the past 2 years my lifts have never plateud, i always am progressing my body responds well to absolute failure. I sleep like a champ, at least 7 hrs a night and eat correctly like a body builder. I'll try only going to failure on the last set for any given motion for a month to see if it's better as an experiment though..........:smoke:

If what you say is correct, then yes I'd have to agree. You are a genetic freak (and I mean that in the nicest way possible.):cool:

[Holto]

There is a big difference between being a skinny swimmer at 5.5% VS being a 225lb strength althete.

I'd imagine most competitive swimmers have very low bodyfat. At least the ones I see.

[Gabrielle]

I would recommend slow bulking, but to each their own.

[RedSpikeyThing]

actually some get down to 3-4...... MANY below 5% .......

Sorry, I shouldn't have said "barely" below 5. But the range of 2-5% is considered essential body fat. Either way, bodybuilders do NOT maintain that bf% for any significant amount of time AND they bust there ass to look like that. I highly doubt the OP has ever had 5% bf, never mind sustained it for a long period of time.

[mickyjune26]

Based on your postings, it sounds like you would rather bulk fast than slow. Try it for just 6 months, review and determine where you want to go from there. It won't take you years to lose an unwanted fat. You'll be able to go to the wanted bodystyle.

Read a lot of WBB articles. The more you know, the better you will perform.

[ancom41]

Thanks man, oh i was 5A, shortcrse yards, my event was 100 breast, i was at 1:04:00, kinda slow, but still 2 secs under qual time

Jeez, I wish I would have swam in a different state. I swam around that time in 4a state.. got 16th (last). The first place time in 4a wouldn't have even made finals in 5a. Anyone swimming 100 breast in 5a (Texas) would be < 59.00. The disparity between states is insane. Texas is the most competitive state for swimming. I had a friend that moved to New Orleans.. swam a 1:07.00 in 100 back in 4a state and got 3rd. 4a in texas 100 back would be like a 54.00.


Event 22 Boys 100 Yard Breaststroke
==================================================================
National: # 53.66 1998 Patrick Fowler, Seattle Prep, WA
State 5A: + 54.76 1998 Jeremy McDonnell, Houston Cy-Creek
Name Year School Prelims Finals
==================================================================
=== A - Final ===

1 Scott Spann 12 Austin Westlake 56.14 54.51+
25.79 54.51 (28.72)
2 Benjamin Decker 10 Humble Kingwood 56.56 56.14
26.86 56.14 (29.28)
3 Will McDaniell 12 Katy Taylor 57.82 57.47
26.98 57.47 (30.49)
4 Brooks Haller 9 JPC 58.64 58.36
27.56 58.36 (30.80)
5 Trevor Nichols 12 Katy Mayde Creek 58.78 58.52
27.69 58.52 (30.83)
6 Scott Murphy 12 Hous Cy-Creek 59.12 58.91
27.92 58.91 (30.99)
7 Nic Ryan 11 SA Health Career 58.77 59.14
28.11 59.14 (31.03)
8 Edgar Peyro 11 EP Eastwood 59.06 59.26
28.05 59.26 (31.21)

=== B - Final ===

9 Javier Saenz 12 Brownsvile Hanna 59.36 58.79
27.88 58.79 (30.91)
10 Jace Shults 12 Keller 59.27 59.11
27.61 59.11 (31.50)
11 Jamie Stults 12 Allen 1:00.16 59.15
28.25 59.15 (30.90)
12 Ty Perich Katy Taylor 59.96 59.56
27.98 59.56 (31.58)
13 Will Farr 12 Austin Westlake 59.92 59.59
28.22 59.59 (31.37)
14 Austin Limmer 12 Lubbock 1:00.03 59.67
28.11 59.67 (31.56)
15 Andy Islip 12 Plano 59.35 59.71
27.79 59.71 (31.92)
16 Hunter Price 12 Hous Cy-Springs 1:00.19 59.79
27.92 59.79 (31.87)

[dabaugh]

Based on your postings, it sounds like you would rather bulk fast than slow. Try it for just 6 months, review and determine where you want to go from there. It won't take you years to lose an unwanted fat. You'll be able to go to the wanted bodystyle.

Read a lot of WBB articles. The more you know, the better you will perform.

Thanks for the advice i think i will do a trial run and see how that goes, besides i am not sure how i will like "fat" because ive never really had enough to notice it. haha, oh and for the swimmer guy
there are folks here in colorado that can swim a 54 sec. 100 breast easy too, and i didnt say i was like a swimming prodigy that could, **** i got like 25th at state this year witha 1:04 so that tells you somethin right there. Texas may be the biggst swimming state, but i wouldnt be surpised if colorado was right behind it.

[SaVvY]

16 lbs of muscle in 4 months..... unless your cycling then that is an absolute no...... people struggle to put on 4 lbs of muscle during the year....... pretty soon 1 lb of muscle may take YEARS AND YEARS to accomplish...
humm..well after a lot of searching and asking i have not found anybody whos gained more than my last bulk of 82lbs in 9 months (no roids), so ill use that to see if this is the 'absolute no' impossible you feel it is

my body fat started at 14% and was 17% by the end, so thats 25.2lbs of fat start, an 44.54lbs end, an increase of 19.34, round that to the nearest number, an thats 19lbs

so 19 out of the 82 are body fat, so theres 63 that are not body fat - im not saying the average guy gains 16lbs of muscle in 4 or even 6 months, cuss they dont, but i think your wrong to call it an all out never gonna happen 'absolute no'

[dabaugh]

wow savvy thats impressive!!! i have gained 9lbs now in 3 weeks, maybe ill catch you! haha, did you just have high calorie intake plus protien or what, can i get in on your secret for this fast weight gain?

[McIrish]

humm..well after a lot of searching and asking i have not found anybody whos gained more than my last bulk of 82lbs in 9 months (no roids), so ill use that to see if this is the 'absolute no' impossible you feel it is

my body fat started at 14% and was 17% by the end, so thats 25.2lbs of fat start, an 44.54lbs end, an increase of 19.34, round that to the nearest number, an thats 19lbs

so 19 out of the 82 are body fat, so theres 63 that are not body fat - im not saying the average guy gains 16lbs of muscle in 4 or even 6 months, cuss they dont, but i think your wrong to call it an all out never gonna happen 'absolute no'

Savvy, did I read that wrong or did you just claim to have put on 63 lbs of non-fat in 9 months? I'll even cut you a huge break - we'll say that 27 lbs of that is water (which is probably grossly overestimating). That conservatively puts your LBM gains at 36 lbs in 9 months, or a pound of muscle a week... for 36 straight weeks.

I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that the figure you have just quoted is not humanly possible without the assistance of anabolic steroids. While I don't think you are lying, I think your measurements might be suspect.

[ancom41]

Savvy, did I read that wrong or did you just claim to have put on 63 lbs of non-fat in 9 months? I'll even cut you a huge break - we'll say that 27 lbs of that is water (which is probably grossly overestimating). That conservatively puts your LBM gains at 36 lbs in 9 months, or a pound of muscle a week... for 36 straight weeks.

I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that the figure you have just quoted is not humanly possible without the assistance of anabolic steroids. While I don't think you are lying, I think your measurements might be suspect.

I was under the impression that a pound a week was the accepted optimal growth rate? Of course, that 1lb isnt all LBM... so I geuss that would differ in this situation?

[SaVvY]

Savvy, did I read that wrong or did you just claim to have put on 63 lbs of non-fat in 9 months? I'll even cut you a huge break - we'll say that 27 lbs of that is water (which is probably grossly overestimating). That conservatively puts your LBM gains at 36 lbs in 9 months, or a pound of muscle a week... for 36 straight weeks.

I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that the figure you have just quoted is not humanly possible without the assistance of anabolic steroids. While I don't think you are lying, I think your measurements might be suspect.
thats not a claim dude, thats just what happened - it is not 'supposed' to be humanly possible, but it obviously is

my scales work fine, i gained several inches all over, it wasnt just the weight going up

[SaVvY]

wow savvy thats impressive!!! i have gained 9lbs now in 3 weeks, maybe ill catch you! haha, did you just have high calorie intake plus protien or what, can i get in on your secret for this fast weight gain?
cheers, took a lot of hard work to do it

9lbs in 3 weeks is real good man, keep going

training wise i feel the best way to gain mass is to train hard / rest long

nutriton wise i feel carbs are the main part of it, but also lots of protein and mono-unsaturated fats as well - sometimes ill have 2000+ calorie meals

[dabaugh]

nutriton wise i feel carbs are the main part of it, but also lots of protein and mono-unsaturated fats as well - sometimes ill have 2000+ calorie meals

How do i tell what has mono-unsaturated fats, and im starting to track my calories and i seem to be eating enough per day to be gaining some serious weight. Hoorah.:cool:

[ancom41]

For nutritional information look your foods up on: www.fitday.com

Glad to see your tracking your calories.. but make sure your not baseing your maintanence calories off of a formula. Track your cals for a week in fitday.. then add 10-20% to that number.

[Questor]

Perfect human genetics, coupled with perfect ability, and the perfect lifestyle, workout, and food? Or exaggeration?

But then again, I'm hardly gaining at all, so maybe I just have a jaded view.

[SaVvY]

How do i tell what has mono-unsaturated fats, and im starting to track my calories and i seem to be eating enough per day to be gaining some serious weight. Hoorah.:cool:
a lot of things will say what mono's, poly's, saturates are in them, if they dont list them, feel free to ask me about whatever food your thinking of buying/eating - just post questions in my log (i have a level 3 diploma in nutriton)