EC Stack & Hot Rox

[VIN]

Sorry what is an EC stack? I'd read about it on the forums but couldnt find any products :D Also is it ok to take Thermocin with Hot Rox? Or are there are other more affordable supplements that can be taken with Hot Rox when trying to minimize body fat?

As for the Hot Rox dosage, should I take 2x capsules before breakfast and then 2x capsules before dinner? I'd heard of people taking 3-4 at once too which I wasnt sure would be a good thing :P Thanks!

[VIN]

What is the difference between taking 2 capsules on an empty stomach compared to taking 3?

[ADT]

Rule 1: The answer to all of your questions is found by using the "search" tool in this forum.

Rule 2: Try using HIIT, a caloric deficit, or a combination of the two while lifting to cut fat before using stimulants.

But because you want to jump into the water with the sharks without looking in the ocean first, you need to slow down there Vin. (Relax, there are a lot of people like you who want to do the same thing.) The members here at WBB forums will help you out. No need to worry. ;)

It sounds like you don't have much experience with any of these supplements, so patience and research is required. First of all, an "EC stack" is a combination of the drugs Ephedrine and Caffeine. Some people have used aspirin with this as well. (Known as the "ECA stack".)

An ECA stack is a component found in thermogenic weight loss pills, composed of ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin working to speed up the metabolism and thus cause food energy to burn faster. The ECA stack is a popular supplement taken by body builders before workouts due to the increased amount of energy and alertness.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedrine

Now that you have read that article entirely, you need to understand the background of the potent stimulants you have chosen: Biotest's "Hot Rox" and At Large Nutrition's "Thermocin". These are meant to be used independently of one another. (In other words, you are not supposed to use Thermocin with Hot Rox. Choose ONE to use. Me personally, I would use Thermocin.)

That being said, with all drugs you need to follow the supplement directions and instructions perfectly and not "up" the dosage even if you do not see blatant, obvious results while using them. The only suggestion I would make with the supplement timing is that you may want to gradually cycle on and off of these stimulants. (For instance, half a dosage for two to four days, then the full dosage for two weeks, and half a dosage for the last two to four days.) These gradual steps could help your body get accustomed to the stimulant and on the tail end of the cycle, not to "crash" when you stop using them.

You asked about other products that could be taken with Hot Rox. Fish Oil would be a good start. There is tons of information about the benefits of this supplement everywhere, not just on this site. I would start with that first. As you get more experienced with supplements, you might want to know that some people stack a non-stimulant fat burner as well in the form of seasme oil. This is known as "Sesamin" or some other similar derivative. (It should be noted, however, that there is much debate about the effectiveness of this product for fat loss.) Others, stack CLA (Conjugated linoleic acid) as well, like sesamin however, there is also debate as tho the effectiveness of this product as well.

Fish Oil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_oil

CLA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjugated_linoleic_acid

No offense, but you do not need to be asking if, "What is the difference between taking 2 capsules on an empty stomach compared to taking 3?" yet. Start with the cycle mentioned above and you should have no problem.

I went ahead and searched for you on this website about EC. You will be amazed to find out that these threads on EC also contain information on Hot Rox and Thermocin as well. Try starting here: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/search.php?searchid=882723

PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THE ADVICE GIVEN ABOUT EC. BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN USING IT OR ALL STIMULANTS. (This is even more important when using the EC stack, as most ephedrine and caffiene combinations do not contain "formal" directions for use as a bodybuilder.)

I hope this information helps. Remember, ease into and out of all stimulants of all types. Your body and results will thank you.

Welcome to WBB forums and enjoy your stay.

Best,
Andrew