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wideride

12-17-2006, 04:39 PM

hello im new to the forum and just started lifting 3 months ago after 12 year layoff. Was looking into supplements and ordered growthfactor-1 5 weeks ago and still havent revieved it so im thinking ive been scammed. So im now thinking of trying the muscleTech products going to try the 15 day stack with gakic, leukic, creakic, anyone have good results with these alot has changed in 12 years would like some info other than there sales mumbo jumbo Thanks.

Daniel Clough

12-17-2006, 04:50 PM

Muscletech products are ok, however if you want my opinion they are horribly overpriced and rely on heavy marketing tricks to create value around the products...

www.atlargenutrition.com is the main sponsor of the forums and we have some great products. I would be tempted to just stick with some protein and creatine for now and focus on training and diet. Might not be a bad idea to add in a fat burner also if you are looking to drop weight.

Davidelmo

12-17-2006, 06:32 PM

I agree with Daniel - get some good quality protein and some creatine and you'll be set.

Muscletech products are way over-marketed and the price is expensive for what you get.

RedSpikeyThing

12-17-2006, 09:32 PM

Is your diet in shape? All the supplements in the world will do little to help you if your diet is no good.

Sidior

12-18-2006, 12:31 PM

muscletech is the devil

Sir T-Rex

12-18-2006, 01:15 PM

Not to mention that many-a-pro athlete have popped positive for nandrolone from using their products...NFL, MLB, Track, etc....the list goes on!

DIADEM

12-19-2006, 02:06 PM

Not to mention that many-a-pro athlete have popped positive for nandrolone from using their products...NFL, MLB, Track, etc....the list goes on!

Where did you hear that at?

Davidelmo

12-19-2006, 02:19 PM

Not to mention that many-a-pro athlete have popped positive for nandrolone from using their products...NFL, MLB, Track, etc....the list goes on!

More likely they were actually TAKING nandrolone and tried to blame it on supps.

RedSpikeyThing

12-19-2006, 03:20 PM

Not to mention that many-a-pro athlete have popped positive for nandrolone from using their products...NFL, MLB, Track, etc....the list goes on!

:bash:

1) If their products contained an anabolic steroid, it would be much more expensive
2) I don't think eating an anabolic steroid would help you much anyways
3) Steroids are illegal, so a supplement that contained them would be illegal

Davidelmo

12-19-2006, 05:16 PM

^^ Ever heard of superdrol? $30 for 90 pills which give most people better gains than dbol.

Some companies DO make "legal" oral steroids, but I find it VERY hard to believe a company as big as Muscletech would do that.

wideride

12-19-2006, 06:22 PM

thanks for the input as far as diet its much better the last three months then it has been for the 12 year layoff and have dropped 12 lbs. And i think i have heard of superdrol but not sure i have seen allkinds of drols like i said its been 12 years but i have heard good things about the haladrol liquid gels since theres is no longer hal-50. im still a few months from supplements im just researching so when i get to that point. thanks again.

Davidelmo

12-20-2006, 06:15 PM

Cool. By the way, I wasn't suggesting you take superdrol.. i was just responding to spikeys point.

Phenom

12-20-2006, 06:47 PM

My history with muscle tech is not very good. I bought nitro tech protein, and got all psyched up because of the marketing and the promises, didn't like the protein at all, blended horribly, tasted awful, and pretty pricey. I heard gakic is quality stuff though. Never tried it, and probably wont ever try it because of the price. But I say no to muscletech based on the price of their products. Theres better bang for your buck deals out there IMO.

Davidelmo

12-21-2006, 11:45 AM

^ MUCH better bang for your buck.

I ordered 100g of this "gakic" to try out. I got it from www.myprotein.co.uk cheaply and I'm glad I didn't fork out on more expensive muscletech products.. to be honest I didn't see anything worthwhile from it.

wideride

12-26-2006, 09:01 AM

ok thanks for the input and i think ive made up my mind to go with the gaspari products hearing good things about the products and company and the testing they put there products threw. seems evry ones hung up on them calling the new gels halodrol but thats just to make the sales i dont care if its called crap gels as long as its safe and works of course nothings going to work as fast or good as the real deal so we search for what works best with the least risk to health.

Davidelmo

12-26-2006, 01:37 PM

wideride

12-26-2006, 02:38 PM

hey dav why the banging head not haveing that much trouble. just want a good safe product the last cycl of anything i used was winst,4 orals and that was almost 15 years ago but i felt like i could have chuncked my car across the lake and just dont want to chance the side effects one may get from the real thing. and by all means i am learning:read:

malkore

12-26-2006, 03:32 PM

I believe Dave's point is: you seem only interested in gear...when you shouldn't even look at it until you have already
1. reached your NATURAL potential
2. have diet perfect
3. have training perfect

Davidelmo

12-26-2006, 03:51 PM

Malkore is right.

Unfortunately there are no anabolic products with no side effects or problems associated with them. If there were any, we would all be using them. Even the current day products come with health risks.

Plus if you're returning to lifting after a break, you should be pleased at how fast your results will come back. You dont need anabolics or any other gimmicky products to get you there.

Why not stick to whey, creatine, multivitamin and fish oil? You don't need anything fancy and you dont need to be paying $40 for a 500g tub of some overly-marketed supplement. Even if that product gives you an extra 2% gain, ask yourself if your workouts and diet are truly good enough to take full advantage of it.

wideride

12-26-2006, 04:08 PM

you are prob right. but i think i have my diet working with mostly protien and carbs since i am diabetic there is very little sugar if any and im lifting 3 days and cardio could be done more but have droped flab and toned up well in 3 months but i am trying to put on more mass. just a few months before summer here in texas may be rushing it a little. starting jan-2-2007 im going to 4 days of lifting and going to add more exercises to my routine, i started 1 month on machines 2 months medium weght lot of reps now working for mass thats why the interest in the supps am i headed in the right deriction.:scratch:

Davidelmo

12-26-2006, 05:00 PM

Okay, post up your full workout routine and what you eat in a day and we'll take it from there.

I'm not trying to be critical.. just I know how you feel when you want results quicker and you're keen to shell out money for supplements that promise more muscle and less fat. I'm just trying to save you the bother and frustration when you find that they do very little.

wideride

12-26-2006, 06:53 PM

ok as for diet: morning 6am 2-3 eggs protien bar. 9am two turkey sandwichs on whole grain. lunch 2 baked chicken quarters baked beans quarter cup rice dinner is usually steak or briskit with salad. and 2-3 peanut butter only on whole grain threw out the day.
multy vitaman
2000 mg l-glutamine
3000 mg cla

workout: monday: bench press medium weight 3-sets 12-15 reps
incline press 3s-12-15r
bent-over-row 3s-10-12r
lat pulldown 3s-10-12r
dumbell press 3s-10-12r
fly machine 3s-10-12r
setups
20 mins on bike

wendsday:seated 1 arm curls 3s-12-15r with a burn
standing 1 arm curls 3s-12-15r
barbell curls 3s-12-15r with burn
seated tricep dips 3s-10r
tri pressdowns 3s-15r
1 arm tri extension 3s-12r
leg press 3s-10r
leg curls 3s-10r
setups

friday: repeat monday following monday start with wendsdays routine.
20 mins on bike

starting first of year ill be adding shoulders and more legs and mixing the routine up to fit a 4 day lifting schedule.:clap:

Davidelmo

12-27-2006, 05:05 AM

Hmm, your routine isn't very good. Remember what I said about that extra 2%? Even if the supplements boost your performance in the gym you won't see great results with that routine. Therefore you would be wasting your money buying expensive supps with an ineffective routine.

Some of the faults:
Too much direct arm work
Nearly all of those exercises are isolation movements
Nearly all of those exercises are for upper body
You work your arms 8x more than your legs.
No squats or deadlifts
You're missing out on some muscles

Honestly, this routine would be better for you:
http://www.wannabebig.com/printarticle.php?articleid=25

You need COMPOUND movements - deadlifts, squats, bench, rows, pullups, shoulder press. Build your routine around those and not around bicep curls.

malkore

12-27-2006, 08:24 AM

I agree with Dave on the routine, particularly biceps. I used to pound my biceps with curls. never got stronger, never got bigger.
eventually I went to full body routines, which didnt' leave me room for much isolation...just pull ups and bent over rows.
sure enough, the next time I did do curls, I had to up the weight 5lbs each dumbbell for it to be challenging. another few weeks, and a few of my smaller shirts were getting snug in the sleeves.

I also wanted to add, if you were on a long break, you absolutely need to give your body time to ramp up to the workouts. if your tendons, ligaments and muscle connective tissue isn't as strong, or stronger really, than the muscles pulling on them, you could have a serious injury if you push too hard. And anabolics are gonna make you think you're Superman.

wideride

12-27-2006, 05:59 PM

ok who am i to disagree with 2 senior members this first 3 months have been medium weight more rips for burning flab and toneing. That being said i do want to put on mass now it looks like this routine is is done the the most u can lift and stiil keep proper. so this will put on mass? how about i give it a shot for another 3 months and add some whey, to my diet. i must come clean i was useing the noexplode but ran out a week before xmas and i can really tell in the intensity of my last few drips to the gym so ill prob reup on that one also. i appreciate ur input now lets see were this goes hopfully in 3 months ill be planning a cut routine thanks. o yea ill save that money to.:strong: :D

Davidelmo

12-27-2006, 08:09 PM

Yes that routine above will DEFINATELY add mass, and it will add much more than the routine you were going to use.

We're just trying to help you out. Most of us started out doing the wrong stuff in the gym and buying way too many expensive supplements before we figured out the key to good workouts and nutrition.