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Mission
01-06-2007, 12:48 PM
Recently I watched the new King Kong, and it got me wondering... Does anybody here know the strength of an adult male gorilla as compared to World's Strongest Man. I'd imagine the WSM guys would be a little stronger, but how much?

Cirino83
01-06-2007, 12:51 PM
This should be in general chat. But my money's on the gorilla.

Alex.V
01-06-2007, 12:51 PM
A gorilla would tear his arms off. No contest. There is no comparison in physical power, with the balance being far in favor of the gorilla.

Larry821
01-06-2007, 12:51 PM
Recently I watched the new King Kong, and it got me wondering... Does anybody here know the strength of an adult male gorilla as compared to World's Strongest Man. I'd imagine the WSM guys would be a little stronger, but how much?An adult male gorilla is at least 3x stronger and it's body is many, many times more durable. Just one an adult male gorilla would beat to death a dozen WSM competators to death with ease.

sCaRz*Of*PaiN
01-06-2007, 12:53 PM
I don't think they're stronger than gorillas. Gorillas are ridiculously strong. Found this:


The strength of a silverback gorilla has never been measured, but it should be sufficient to say that anecdotal evidence of animals observed almost casually bending and snapping objects such as tempered steel bars (2 inches thick) and giant bamboo stalks, suggest that the gorilla has the muscle power of between 8-15 men and possibly more. Jersey Zoos Jambo was observed to hang from one arm (he was over 400 lbs) while methodically ripping over 200 ft of inner ceiling planks from the roof of the new gorilla house with his other arm (the planks were securely screwed and nailed), simply because he didn't like them. No other animal outside of the great apes has such a combination of strength and dexterity. The fact that gorillas don't use their strength to attack other animals in the manner of chimpanzees or baboons means very little as they are by their very nature, peaceful animals. Gorillas also have one of the most powerful jaws of any animal, which they use to get to the piths of various trees and plants. They can also use them in defense, and can inflict serious wounds with their bites if they so wish. Stories of their ferocity are largely unfounded, and when left alone, gorillas will never attack humans.

krboyd7
01-06-2007, 12:54 PM
In my opinion the gorilla wins hands down.

Cirino83
01-06-2007, 12:56 PM
A gorilla would rip their lips off and kiss his ass wit them shts. He'd pull WSM tongues out and lick his ballls wit em

sCaRz*Of*PaiN
01-06-2007, 12:58 PM
A gorilla would rip their lips off and kiss his ass wit them shts. He'd pull WSM tongues out and lick his ballls wit emDid you have fun writing all that?

Cirino83
01-06-2007, 01:03 PM
Did you have fun writing all that?

Never saw that movie I take it... :offtopic:

sCaRz*Of*PaiN
01-06-2007, 01:14 PM
No. What's that from?

Chris686
01-06-2007, 01:15 PM
In my opinion the gorilla wins hands down.

No opinion about it.

Not to mention a male gorilla weighs like 400 or more pounds.

Cirino83
01-06-2007, 02:32 PM
No. What's that from?

Hmm it's a chappelle movie...wana say blue streak maybe?

bloodninja
01-06-2007, 02:41 PM
Would this be one of the space gorillas like in halo 2, or an ordinary zoo gorilla?

sCaRz*Of*PaiN
01-06-2007, 06:07 PM
Hmm it's a chappelle movie...wana say blue streak maybe?What the...? I think my girlfriend was just talking about that movie. I haven't seen it yet. The only Chappelle movie I've seen is Half-Baked, I think.



Would this be one of the space gorillas like in halo 2, or an ordinary zoo gorilla?Just an ordinary, 400+ pound zoo gorilla.

WBBIRL
01-06-2007, 06:12 PM
I saw something on the discovery channel where they computer simulated a fight between a gorilla (not sure if it was a Silverback or not, gorillas are huge anyhow) and a cheetah I think (maybe leopard but I know it wasn't a tiger).

The fight lasted longer then I would have though, and it ended up with the gorilla breaking the cat's back rather painfully in half.

I thought it was neat, but dunno how they simulate such a fight.

sCaRz*Of*PaiN
01-06-2007, 06:18 PM
^^

I saw that one as well. Pretty interesting. The strength of the gorilla was mind-boggling. They simulated real-world strength into machines, didn't they? I don't recall.

HahnB
01-06-2007, 06:25 PM
It was a leopard, and that show is pretty worthless. Anyways, I would have thought the answer to the op was pretty obvious:)

sCaRz*Of*PaiN
01-06-2007, 06:26 PM
The fight was worthless. It was all computer-simulated as a pre-determined fight. I want to see a real fight! :p

goose21
01-06-2007, 06:34 PM
Hmm it's a chappelle movie...wana say blue streak maybe?

dave chappelle wasnt in blue streak
ur thinking of Martin Lawrence

Stumprrp
01-06-2007, 06:52 PM
gorillas are rediculosly powerful, there forearms are like a tree stump!

if i had one chasing me i think id crap my entire organ system and throw up my brain.

Songsangnim
01-06-2007, 06:52 PM
Even an adult chimp is stronger than the strongest human. A naturalist who had a young chimp as a pet, observed it trying to open a door (after watching the humans do it). Not realizing one had to TURN the handle, the chimp (a mere two years old) bent the knob DOWNWARDS until it snapped off.
This was a solid brass handle and the chimp (as I mentioned) was only two years old...a ways from adulthood.


All of the great apes are far stronger than humans. There is no comparision.

Stumprrp
01-06-2007, 06:55 PM
maybe we should hang from trees from birth and run on all 4's! diesel arms and legs! lol

-Superman-
01-06-2007, 07:00 PM
Recently I watched the new King Kong, and it got me wondering... Does anybody here know the strength of an adult male gorilla as compared to World's Strongest Man. I'd imagine the WSM guys would be a little stronger, but how much?

I hope you weren't serious in thinking that. Many land animals are several times stronger than the "world's strongest man". Lions, tigers, and bears oh my! Gorillas, elephants, giraffes, alligators, etc. :D

:thumbup:

BFGUITAR
01-06-2007, 07:05 PM
He used gorilla because their body is much more similair to ours than an elephant...

And even if a human had a simple 9mm gun, the gorilla probably would get really hurt and pissed and chase after you.

Songsangnim
01-06-2007, 07:05 PM
maybe we should hang from trees from birth and run on all 4's! diesel arms and legs! lol


funny you should say that. I was just googling and ran across this.

Good for a laugh...but not much else.

http://www.mattfurey.com/primate_power.html


"There is no substitute for moving like a monkey" :)

Stumprrp
01-06-2007, 07:07 PM
haha i hate those things

Can'tstopnow
01-06-2007, 07:16 PM
I could not imagine if gorillas were aggressive what kind of footage would have been captured. Awe inspiring forearms.

HahnB
01-06-2007, 07:31 PM
I hope you weren't serious in thinking that. Many land animals are several times stronger than the "world's strongest man". Lions, tigers, and bears oh my! Gorillas, elephants, giraffes, alligators, etc. :D

:thumbup:

Don't forget 7,000lb hippos and rhinos. Most people aren't aware how dangerous hippos are compared to crocs and other animals. Even 160lb leopards are much stronger than a man. I doubt anyone here can drag a 150lb dead animal 30ft up a tree with no thumbs or fingers.

Larry821
01-06-2007, 07:55 PM
Don't forget 7,000lb hippos and rhinos. Most people aren't aware how dangerous hippos are compared to crocs and other animals. Even 160lb leopards are much stronger than a man. I doubt anyone here can drag a 150lb dead animal 30ft up a tree with no thumbs or fingers.I can, and I can do it with ease

Stumprrp
01-06-2007, 07:59 PM
i think a gorilla would take a hippo, it would snap its neck in half lol

Can'tstopnow
01-06-2007, 08:03 PM
That would be a match up Dana White should get working on, Gorilla v Hippo. Hippo's have very thick skin and could prolly get the gorillas head in its mouth and chomp its ass. Would be something to see.

BFGUITAR
01-06-2007, 08:05 PM
Jesus vs Gorilla?

Natetaco
01-06-2007, 08:17 PM
I heard somewhere that a gorilla has the strength to bench press over 2000 pounds, but that could probably never be tested anyway, i guess that was a theory or something. But I did read that an untrained chimpanzee could deadlift 600 pounds, that also im not sure is true but i did read it somewhere.

Stumprrp
01-06-2007, 08:17 PM
That would be a match up Dana White should get working on, Gorilla v Hippo. Hippo's have very thick skin and could prolly get the gorillas head in its mouth and chomp its ass. Would be something to see.

i was thinking of the skin too, the hippos can snap rather fast too, iono its a tough one

Songsangnim
01-06-2007, 08:24 PM
Not even close. An angry hippo can kill a crocodile with ease...it'd bite the gorilla in half. Not to mention it would have several tons of BW on the gorilla to begin with. Take a lot more than a gorilla to snap its neck, that's where some of it's strongest muscles are.

bloodninja
01-06-2007, 08:25 PM
Somebody needs to throw an oly bar into the gorilla pit and see how long it takes for king kong to bend it in half.

Fuzzy
01-06-2007, 08:29 PM
Stump... you got gorilla forearms to :p

I remember going to the zoo and seeing a big mofo and simply being awed. He as picking up logs and playing around with them like tooth picks.

Heres a thought.

How about we train a gorilla from birth to bench press???

Can'tstopnow
01-06-2007, 08:39 PM
I was thinking the same thing Fuzzy, they are smart enough animals. Train it to train. Imagine what it could overhead press, or BB row.

bjohnso
01-06-2007, 08:45 PM
I heard somewhere that a gorilla has the strength to bench press over 2000 pounds, but that could probably never be tested anyway, i guess that was a theory or something. But I did read that an untrained chimpanzee could deadlift 600 pounds, that also im not sure is true but i did read it somewhere.

I read that an adult female chimpanzee had a recorded pull of 1200lbs...with one hand. I can't remember where I read that though, it may have been wikipedia.

Fuzzy
01-06-2007, 08:56 PM
8-15 men... so best raw is 700ish?

3000 maybe 4000?

Turnip
01-06-2007, 09:02 PM
Seems like monkeys evolved from us. :rolleyes:

Chris686
01-06-2007, 09:18 PM
Seems like monkeys evolved from us. :rolleyes:

So intelligence is lost with evolution?

Turnip
01-06-2007, 09:24 PM
I guess it depends how you look at it..

I mean monkeys dont create nuke threats, they dont become fat greesy slobs, they dont sit in cubicles all day. Whats your idea of evolution?

Fuzzy
01-06-2007, 09:29 PM
Comon, dont go saying stuff about other people in threads they arent even in...

Sensei
01-06-2007, 10:53 PM
Fuzzy is really just a weak, shaved-down gorilla...



;) Lighten up, Francis.

Guido
01-06-2007, 11:00 PM
Funny, I just saw some gorillas up close at the Lincoln Park Zoo last weekend. There was a mother and her baby right on the other side of the plexiglass about 2 feet away from me. That mother was HUGE. Had to be easily 400-500 lbs. It's forearms were the size of my thighs almost, and I have pretty big thighs!

Questor
01-06-2007, 11:29 PM
And now to hijack this thread!

New challenge:

http://klb.uwstout.edu/GorillaYawning01_2.gif

vs...

http://www.hoothollow.com/Yellowstone%202005/Grizzly%20Bear-052466%20RAW%20A.jpg

Winner battles:

http://www.ikyeti.nl/images/amerikaanse_giraffe.jpg

Fuzzy
01-06-2007, 11:34 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, ROFLMAO.


Fuzzy is really just a weak, shaved-down gorilla...



;) Lighten up, Francis.

and im quoting that sensei. and did you call me francis... grrr.

Actually, bear vs gorilla is a much more even match.

Id go for bear...

bloodninja
01-07-2007, 12:38 AM
Fuzzy is really just a weak, shaved-down gorilla...



;) Lighten up, Francis.

Name the movie, win a free asswhoopin from a gorilla.

*note, this contest excludes Sensei. Fuzzy is probably way too young.

1mmort4l
01-07-2007, 01:37 AM
Hmmmmm, Bear vs Gorilla... Now that could be interesting.
My money is on the Gorilla, simply based on dexterity.
Good match up though.

Fuzzy
01-07-2007, 01:47 AM
Im going bear out of byas...

See, Im a fuzzy wuzzy bear.

Larry821
01-07-2007, 03:22 AM
I have a clip of a bear fighting a tiger, but I will not post it. The fight was ugly and a draw.

Fuzzy
01-07-2007, 03:49 AM
Oh, can you please pm!

diesel_dan
01-07-2007, 03:50 AM
Yeah, pm that to me too!

anelka
01-07-2007, 04:14 AM
You think the World's Strongest Man can take on this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Male_silverback_Gorilla.JPG

These things can swing from one arm, that's equivalent to a human weightlifter rowing a 400lb dumbell without even struggling.

anelka
01-07-2007, 04:20 AM
And gorilla versus hippo, don't even talk about it. The gorilla wouldn't be able to bite through the hippo's skin, or throw it, or rip its limbs off because they're so damn thick and heavy. The hippo would simply trample it or bite it in half. They generally weigh up 7,000 pounds, although the record is 10,000 pounds.

http://www.zwsafaris.com/photogallery/photos2004/SCHEER%20HIPPO.jpg

Hippos kill more humans than any other animal.

anelka
01-07-2007, 04:25 AM
Fortuanately gorillas are peaceful. You don't want to piss off an elephant. Do a search on youtube for 'elephant attack'. Although the smaller ones can be brought down by packs, the biggest ones at 25,000 pounds only have to fall on you to kill you.

Songsangnim
01-07-2007, 04:31 AM
You think the World's Strongest Man can take on this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Male_silverback_Gorilla.JPG

These things can swing from one arm, that's equivalent to a human weightlifter rowing a 400lb dumbell without even struggling.

At 400 lbs gorillas don't do much swinging...they spend nearly all their time on the ground and when they do climb trees, they do so "carefully". Not too many trees branches that can support 400 lbs of animal anyway.

Turnip
01-07-2007, 06:06 AM
Did you know koala bears have the same footprint as a human?

INTERESTING.

Sensei
01-07-2007, 07:48 AM
Name the movie, win a free asswhoopin from a gorilla.

*note, this contest excludes Sensei. Fuzzy is probably way too young.
I'm guessing no one under 30 is going to know this one...

Fuzzy
01-07-2007, 08:01 AM
i was really confused... care to explain sensei?

Mike G
01-07-2007, 08:33 AM
Sensei and Bloodninja- Stripes.

Psycho "...everyone calls me Psycho, call me Francis and I'll kill you"

Sgt. Hulka "Lighten up Francis"

Bob
01-07-2007, 08:45 AM
Hmmmmm, Bear vs Gorilla... Now that could be interesting.
My money is on the Gorilla, simply based on dexterity.
Good match up though.
even this bear would submit to the Gorilla...
a WSM'er has no chance against a Gorilla.. and you never see a lion mess with Gorilla.. they don't even think about it..

haha.. Stripes.. dand that was a good movie!! They don't make'm like that anymore..

VDubb
01-07-2007, 06:21 PM
Stripes was on TV Friday night........gotta love it.........

Also, Dave Chappelle was indeed in the movie Blue Streak. Whether or not he said the quote the poster attributed to him, I don't recall........

Yea......gorillas and stuff.........

sCaRz*Of*PaiN
01-07-2007, 06:39 PM
Also, Dave Chappelle was indeed in the movie Blue Streak.Yup ~> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181316/

Turnip
01-07-2007, 06:47 PM
I saw a commercial for blue streak and it said "blue streak, starring dave chappelle". Sort of made me laugh since hes not even close to being the main character and they just put it in because hes so popular now. They didnt bother mentioning any of the other guys in the movie.

Unholy
01-07-2007, 06:48 PM
Dave is the man. Saw him live at the Borgata a few years ago.

jurzysfinest
01-07-2007, 07:26 PM
Martin lawrence is so much better than Dave.

Guido
01-08-2007, 08:08 AM
Sensei and Bloodninja- Stripes.

Psycho "...everyone calls me Psycho, call me Francis and I'll kill you"

Sgt. Hulka "Lighten up Francis"That's the facts, Jack!

Guido
01-08-2007, 08:11 AM
...and you never see a lion mess with Gorilla.. they don't even think about it..
That's mostly because lions live on the open savannah and gorillas live deep in the rainforests and at the base of mountains, so they never even come into contact.

SkinnySadMan
01-08-2007, 08:15 AM
A 90 lbs. chimpanzee can easily deadlift 900 lbs.

HahnB
01-08-2007, 08:50 AM
Fortuanately gorillas are peaceful. You don't want to piss off an elephant. Do a search on youtube for 'elephant attack'. Although the smaller ones can be brought down by packs, the biggest ones at 25,000 pounds only have to fall on you to kill you.

There was a show on discovery hd last week about a group of scientists following a gorilla family. They were pretty peaceful until the male charged and nearly attacked one of the native guides. It was crazy to see how fast it moved on the ground. Anyways, there aren't any elephants even close to that weight. That's nearly double the weight of a big bull. The only thing that big is a species of mammoth that's been extinct for thousands of years.

Marnie
01-08-2007, 09:12 AM
Gorilla every time, no doubt. A gorilla could kill a tiger, possibly a polar bear, as don't forget a gorilla can clench that mutha of a hand and punch your face off.

HahnB
01-08-2007, 09:20 AM
Gorilla every time, no doubt. A gorilla could kill a tiger, possibly a polar bear, as don't forget a gorilla can clench that mutha of a hand and punch your face off.

There's really no way to know if a gorilla could kill a Tiger or a Bear. Anything anyone says is just opinion. The tiger is bigger and much faster, and the bear is much bigger and faster as well.

SaVvY
01-08-2007, 09:31 AM
Recently I watched the new King Kong, and it got me wondering... Does anybody here know the strength of an adult male gorilla as compared to World's Strongest Man. I'd imagine the WSM guys would be a little stronger, but how much?
chimpanzee's are actually stronger weight for weight than a gorilla, they are 7 x stronger than humans for the same weight, infact, a 135lbs female gorilla once deadlifted over 1000lbs with one arm (seriously)

gorillas are roughly 5 x stronger than humans weight for weight, meaning a big 500lb gorilla is = to roughly 2500lbs of humans, with the average human weighing 180lbs

lets get the strongest of the strong, Zydrunas Savickas, 386lbs of man monster, some say the strongest man to ever live

guessing these - average man can:
- standing strict press 80lbs
- bench press 130lbs
- deadlift 200llbs
- squat 150lbs
total - 560lbs

zavickas has:
- standing strict press 452lbs
- bench press 629lbs
- deadlift 882lbs
- squat 938lbs
total 2901lbs

male gorilla of zavickas weight:
- standing strict press 856lbs
- bench press 1391lbs
- deadlift 2140lbs
- squat 1605lbs
total - 5992lbs

386lb Zydrunas Savickas = 5.2 x the strength of an average man
386lb Gorilla = 10.7 x the strength of an average man

so questimating, the gorilla would be more than twice as strong

Guido
01-08-2007, 09:35 AM
A tiger is not bigger than a fully grown adult male gorilla. They are both about the same size, ~400lbs more or less. The tiger has sharp claws, though.

As for a bear, it depends on the type of bear. A black bear would be much much smaller, but a Kodiak Brown Bear would be MUCH bigger than a gorilla. Brown bears can get over 1,100 lbs. If they ever did fight, I'm thinking the bear would win that one.

Unholy
01-08-2007, 09:37 AM
I want to see that fight on PPV

anelka
01-08-2007, 10:55 AM
I'd predict a big bear to beat a gorilla. You can shoot bears and they still come at you...

Davidelmo
01-08-2007, 12:02 PM
We were in Canada and our local guide said that a 9mm won't even hurt a big bear even if you shoot it repeatedly in the head. He said that sometimes when they find skeletons there are gunshot wounds to the head that barely dent it.

Beast
01-08-2007, 12:41 PM
I like how gorillas and chimps are twice as strong as humans, yet eat plants all day.

Beast
01-08-2007, 12:42 PM
We were in Canada and our local guide said that a 9mm won't even hurt a big bear even if you shoot it repeatedly in the head. He said that sometimes when they find skeletons there are gunshot wounds to the head that barely dent it.
My cousin (police officer) said that he shot a pit bull in the face with a 12 gauge at fairly close range and the pit bull brushed it off like it was nothing.

HahnB
01-08-2007, 12:46 PM
A tiger is not bigger than a fully grown adult male gorilla. They are both about the same size, ~400lbs more or less. The tiger has sharp claws, though.

As for a bear, it depends on the type of bear. A black bear would be much much smaller, but a Kodiak Brown Bear would be MUCH bigger than a gorilla. Brown bears can get over 1,100 lbs. If they ever did fight, I'm thinking the bear would win that one.

Male bengal tigers average around 500lbs, and many reach 600lbs. A 400lb fully grown male bengal or siberian Tiger would be considered pretty small. Siberian tigers are even larger-reaching 700+lbs in the wild. A black bear would probably be mauled by the gorilla, and I agree that any large brown bear (kodiak, grizzly, brown bear) would maul a gorilla. Most people think that a kodiak or grizzly is a species, but their names are purely geographical.

Davidelmo
01-08-2007, 01:00 PM
My cousin (police officer) said that he shot a pit bull in the face with a 12 gauge at fairly close range and the pit bull brushed it off like it was nothing.

:eek:

That's a little disturbing

Stumprrp
01-08-2007, 01:12 PM
i think the gorilla is so fast and brutally strong for a bear who walks on all 4's to win, i predict the gorilla to just jump on its back and snap its neck.

Altephor
01-08-2007, 01:13 PM
Deer do that too. A cop here in town put 3 9mm rounds right into a deer's skull (mercy kill it got hit by a car). It was still alive after being shot, a 4th bullet put it down.

stevec087
01-08-2007, 02:15 PM
My cousin (police officer) said that he shot a pit bull in the face with a 12 gauge at fairly close range and the pit bull brushed it off like it was nothing.

Pit bulls were bred to ignore pain. I think pain actually makes them work harder towards which ever goal they have. If you raise a pit bull right, (i.e. not the way rappers and inner city people do) they are actually really good dogs.

bill
01-08-2007, 02:21 PM
chimpanzee's are actually stronger weight for weight than a gorilla, they are 7 x stronger than humans for the same weight, infact, a 135lbs female gorilla once deadlifted over 1000lbs with one arm (seriously)

gorillas are roughly 5 x stronger than humans weight for weight, meaning a big 500lb gorilla is = to roughly 2500lbs of humans, with the average human weighing 180lbs

lets get the strongest of the strong, Zydrunas Savickas, 386lbs of man monster, some say the strongest man to ever live

guessing these - average man can:
- standing strict press 80lbs
- bench press 130lbs
- deadlift 200llbs
- squat 150lbs
total - 560lbs

zavickas has:
- standing strict press 452lbs
- bench press 629lbs
- deadlift 882lbs
- squat 938lbs
total 2901lbs

male gorilla of zavickas weight:
- standing strict press 856lbs
- bench press 1391lbs
- deadlift 2140lbs
- squat 1605lbs
total - 5992lbs

386lb Zydrunas Savickas = 5.2 x the strength of an average man
386lb Gorilla = 10.7 x the strength of an average man

so questimating, the gorilla would be more than twice as strong

Just imagine the gorilla in a triple rage x bench shirt!

HahnB
01-08-2007, 03:20 PM
That story seems extremely sketchy to me. I don't care how pit bulls are breed, if you shoot one in the head at point blank range with a 12 gauge shotgun it's going to kill it immediately.

keane16
01-08-2007, 03:24 PM
I think luck comes into it a lot, and also instinct what I mean is a Tiger's natural instinct is to kill and hunt however a Gorilla isn't like that and doesn't eat meat(Not too sure) So I'd go for a Tiger to win!

JHolmes145
01-08-2007, 03:29 PM
i think its the gorrillas joints that make it so strong not the muscles, but ne ways with the right tool the human man can conquer any animal even a trex.

Mackeys
01-08-2007, 03:33 PM
A Racoon would kill them all

JHolmes145
01-08-2007, 04:04 PM
what would happen if some1 gave the gorrilla the ergo's that wsm takes for performance, thatd be a monster.

Brawl
01-08-2007, 04:14 PM
My cousin (police officer) said that he shot a pit bull in the face with a 12 gauge at fairly close range and the pit bull brushed it off like it was nothing.


If he shot it with 8 shot ... maybe ... 00 buck ... that thing is dead .

OneBadUnit
01-08-2007, 04:21 PM
gorillas are rediculosly powerful, there forearms are like a tree stump!

if i had one chasing me i think id crap my entire organ system and throw up my brain.

LMMFAO !!!

betastas
01-08-2007, 04:37 PM
i think the gorilla is so fast and brutally strong for a bear who walks on all 4's to win, i predict the gorilla to just jump on its back and snap its neck.

Bears are very fast too. They can easily chase a human down like nothing. That being said, I don't think a gorilla isn't going to jump onto a reared up 1100 pound Kodiak bear.


I do like to pretend to know how it would end though.

Can'tstopnow
01-08-2007, 04:46 PM
So we got the gorilla, tiger, bear, and hippo as a top 4. What about the liger?

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/250400/liger/

Jordanbcool
01-08-2007, 05:00 PM
I got my bottom dollar on the angry ex girlfriend.

She beat my ass and I outweigh her by 112 pounds...:(

I almost cried.

TTT
01-08-2007, 05:34 PM
How about.... a Gorilla vs. 12 Wolverines? Or Tasmanian Devils?

goose21
01-08-2007, 06:40 PM
that liger is HUGE!
but i still think the gorilla would win

sharkall2003
01-08-2007, 06:45 PM
Pit bulls were bred to ignore pain. I think pain actually makes them work harder towards which ever goal they have. If you raise a pit bull right, (i.e. not the way rappers and inner city people do) they are actually really good dogs.

The most loyal and hardworking dog around. I'll own an English Bulldog or an American Pitbull Terrier. They're a lot of work.

I'd like to see a Gorilla go at it with a Kodiak. That would be awesome.

UnknownSoldier
01-08-2007, 07:06 PM
a gorilla has a higher strike force than a grizzly and could kill the bear. It can lift 10 times its own bodyweight. Its bite force may be 1,300-1,400 pounds of force.

My money is on the gorilla...

Beast
01-08-2007, 08:01 PM
That story seems extremely sketchy to me. I don't care how pit bulls are breed, if you shoot one in the head at point blank range with a 12 gauge shotgun it's going to kill it immediately.
He said "nearly point blank", so probably 5-10 feet away I'm guessing.

Talking_God
01-08-2007, 08:11 PM
That liger is enormous. That trainer has some major cajones.

My money as far as kodiak vs. gorilla goes is the bear just because of speed and ability to withstand a major beating before it dies (referencing the ability to take gunshots to the head etc.) plus the claws and jaw strength. Thats my thoughts..but either way i believe it'd be close.

Alex.V
01-08-2007, 08:12 PM
That story seems extremely sketchy to me. I don't care how pit bulls are breed, if you shoot one in the head at point blank range with a 12 gauge shotgun it's going to kill it immediately.

Yep. Unless it's filled with bird shot it would blast the skull to pieces.

bill
01-08-2007, 08:30 PM
I still waiting for someone to put the ape in bench shirt!

biggimp
01-08-2007, 09:14 PM
pitbulls are weak.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6004/pitbullownedve0.jpg

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/5240/pitbullowned2uj5.jpg

bloodninja
01-08-2007, 10:07 PM
That story seems extremely sketchy to me. I don't care how pit bulls are breed, if you shoot one in the head at point blank range with a 12 gauge shotgun it's going to kill it immediately.

Depends if it's buckshot or a slug...but I can't believe a 60lb dog could survive it either way. The cop probably grazed the top of the dog's head, and it just became a story after that.

bloodninja
01-08-2007, 10:19 PM
pitbulls are weak.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6004/pitbullownedve0.jpg

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/5240/pitbullowned2uj5.jpg

Did you read the actual story that goes with that, or just see the pictures?

Rock
01-09-2007, 07:26 AM
There are some insanley large savannah African bull Elephants..they are rare but they are enourmous and no animal in the world stands a chance.

Have you guys seen the movie Grey against yellow? when 10 Lions used 3days to kill a female mature elephant that was already dying from old age...it was very intense and unpleasant but also amazing to watch. Jeremy Irons is the commentary.


As for Pit bulls, they range in all sizes..from 50lbs to 150lbs....but I have seen footage of several different Pit Bulls being shot and kept attacking.

I doubt any man in the world could take a Fila Brasiliero. 225lbs fast moving intelligent mastiff.

Rock
01-09-2007, 07:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hBPf3hvWQY

Humans alone with out weapons have no defence against lager animals

Rock
01-09-2007, 07:37 AM
and god damn I hate people who cage and torture animals so they will perform on a circus because they are gypsy thieving whores.

stevec087
01-09-2007, 09:19 AM
Yea no wonder that elephant went on a rampage. F'ing circus's abuse their animals so much. It probably went insane being locked in a tiny cage 23 hours a day and forced to perform with chains and cattle prods.

Alex.V
01-09-2007, 09:26 AM
As for Pit bulls, they range in all sizes..from 50lbs to 150lbs....but I have seen footage of several different Pit Bulls being shot and kept attacking.


Pit bulls normally fall between 40 and 60 pounds. Anything over that is a tremendous exception, with 110 pounds being the upper bound for the breed.

bloodninja
01-09-2007, 09:33 AM
Those huge pits are mixes, a good breeding example shouldn't be over 80lbs.

Guido
01-09-2007, 09:45 AM
i think the gorilla is so fast and brutally strong for a bear who walks on all 4's to win, i predict the gorilla to just jump on its back and snap its neck.Bears are great at standing up on their hind legs. Polar bears and kodiak brown bears can be over 10 feet tall when up on their hind legs. BTW, bears are deceptively fast. They can run as fast a a horse for up to half a mile. They also have the advantage of huge claws that a gorilla just can't match up with. Those things combined with the huge size advantage and I'd think the bear would win easily. I think the only thing that could take down a large brown bear would be a hippo, rhino, or an angry elephant.

Rock
01-09-2007, 10:04 AM
Belial, the earlier pitbulls were very bulldoggish looking and heavy..its a very wide specter.

sharkall2003
01-09-2007, 10:47 AM
Pit bulls normally fall between 40 and 60 pounds. Anything over that is a tremendous exception, with 110 pounds being the upper bound for the breed.

Depends on their diet and exercise routine. Our pitbull is allowed to eat all day and we run him very very hard. Probably ran 30 minutes a day or so at full sprint. He weighs in at 68 lbs and is solid.

betastas
01-09-2007, 11:10 AM
Well don't forget why circuses capture animals and make them perform. There is profit. Profit from everyday people who endorse the cruelty by going to see the circus.

EvanH
01-09-2007, 12:37 PM
I think Hulk Hogan could easily body slam a gorilla to death. I mean he took out Andre the Giant, come on!

Hulk Hogan > Gorilla

Mad Max
01-09-2007, 12:38 PM
Apparently horse riding has the highest fatality rate of any sport. I think the sad truth of the matter is that animals, in the vast majority of cases are utterly indifferent to human beings, they wouldn't hesitate to knock the crap our of a person if they were p*ssing them off.
I think rhinos could well be most dangerous of all large land animals. Apparently they cause more deaths in india and nepal than any other animal, and have been known to charge elephants. Indeed, in parts of Africa they are known as elephant killers. Their tough skin and squat form make them very formidable.
Humans are built for dexterity above all else, comparitively, the average human without training or weapons is lb for lb, a rather useless fighter.

Here is a list of megafauna from wikipedia. It lists all large animals.

If a sperm whale could grow legs it would destroy all land animals.

Songsangnim
01-10-2007, 12:20 AM
I think Hulk Hogan could easily body slam a gorilla to death. I mean he took out Andre the Giant, come on!

Hulk Hogan > Gorilla

A gorilla's center of gravity is considerably lower than Andre the Giant's. Not to mention that a gorilla is about 10 times stronger than either of those two and that the match with Andre was fake...just like the rest of pro wrestling.

You DO know that the wins and losses of pro wrestling are pre-determined correct?

EvanH
01-10-2007, 03:12 AM
A gorilla's center of gravity is considerably lower than Andre the Giant's. Not to mention that a gorilla is about 10 times stronger than either of those two and that the match with Andre was fake...just like the rest of pro wrestling.

You DO know that the wins and losses of pro wrestling are pre-determined correct?


I was messin around.

and yes I do know that they are pre-determined. I stopped watching wrestling a while ago though. Got too much like a soap opera :(

O RLY?
01-10-2007, 05:59 AM
dave chappelle wasnt in blue streak
ur thinking of Martin Lawrence

Martin Lawrence was the main star of "Blue Streak" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181316/), but Chappelle WAS in it too, and did in fact say the aforementioned lines. If anyone cares.... :P

Organichu
01-10-2007, 06:35 AM
Yeah, isn't he the guy in the alley that he bitchslaps and puts under arrest?? lol

BilltheButcher
01-10-2007, 07:05 AM
Chuck Norris would simply wiggle is mustache and that Gorilla would tremble in fear and possibly have heart failure. In a cage where the gorilla can't run and hide from Chuck Norris its like a little baby versus a man, the worlds most dangerous man with the most beautifully trimmed beard and mustache ever.

Invain
01-10-2007, 10:14 AM
5 pages and only 1 Chuck Norris joke :D

TTT
01-10-2007, 10:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hBPf3hvWQY

Humans alone with out weapons have no defence against lager animals

It's amazing how the people just look like little barbie dolls, being toyed around with by the elephant.

We had this friendly steer on our farm once, and it was probably only around the 4-500kg (900-1100lb?) mark... and this thing could shove you around like it was nothing, just by rubbing its head against you. It's hard to even comprehend how much strength an elephant has.

EvanH
01-10-2007, 10:57 AM
5 pages and only 1 Chuck Norris joke :D

I was going to do a Chuck Norris one, but I went with Hulk Hogan. Chuck Norris scares me.

biggimp
01-11-2007, 12:19 AM
sure gorillas are super strong and all, but are they that fast? how is their dexterity? could a gorilla throw a baseball 70mph? how far could it toss a shotput ball? they arent physically superior to humans in all aspects.

bloodninja
01-11-2007, 12:33 AM
I bet a gorilla could throw a baseball pretty damn fast. I have seen turd missiles come out of the monkey cage at what I would guesstimate to be around 50mph. Remember that poop is soft and breaks up under a hard toss, I imagine most major leaguers couldn't throw a turd faster than 50mph without it splattering all over their heads.

1mmort4l
01-11-2007, 01:28 AM
Did you read the actual story that goes with that, or just see the pictures?



What is the story...??? You have me thinking now.

anelka
01-11-2007, 02:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGmwyyrGmKM

An elephant would destroy a gorilla.

Alex.V
01-11-2007, 02:40 PM
sure gorillas are super strong and all, but are they that fast? how is their dexterity? could a gorilla throw a baseball 70mph? how far could it toss a shotput ball? they arent physically superior to humans in all aspects.


-Very fast.

-Dexterity usually applies to manual dexterity. So, not very good compared to humans with smaller hands.

-They could probably throw a boulder 70mph

-Much farther than a human.

-Yes they are.

Rock
01-11-2007, 06:01 PM
and mentally..I dont care how tough somebody is...doesnt matter if you are hard as nails...fighting a gorilla..oh lord...just look at that face and neck and they got big ass fangs too.

1mmort4l
01-11-2007, 07:14 PM
Here is my take...

Gorilla > 10 WSM.. Grizzly Bear > Gorilla.. Crocodile > Grizzly.. Pack of Lions or Tigers > Croc.. Hippo > 5 Gorillas and all of these others...
But..... Huge male Elephant > Hippo.....
Then..... Male Rhino > any combination of the above!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HahnB
01-11-2007, 07:48 PM
Here is my take...

Gorilla > 10 WSM.. Grizzly Bear > Gorilla.. Crocodile > Grizzly.. Pack of Lions or Tigers > Croc.. Hippo > 5 Gorillas and all of these others...
But..... Huge male Elephant > Hippo.....
Then..... Male Rhino > any combination of the above!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've seen a pride of lions kill a hippo on tape-and it was a young inexperienced pride at that, if you want to see it you can purchase it off discovery channels website. Tigers are solitary.

Mad Max
01-12-2007, 11:16 AM
Apparently pprides of lions killing full grown elephants is n the increase in South Africa. Just goes to show that of you know where to strike you can take down very large animals. Kind of reminds me of those bosses in video games where you had to shoot a small area on its back or something.

HahnB
01-12-2007, 10:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCV7xe1iSxg

xkon
01-12-2007, 11:53 PM
what about a brahma bull (the kind in a rodeo but without their horns chopped)? do you think one would be able to take a gorilla?

WildJames
01-13-2007, 12:37 AM
This may be a stupid question, but did those 2 people in the circus ring die from that elephant?

Big Jay
01-13-2007, 08:04 AM
I'd trade it all for the proportional strength of a rhino bettle lmao. A huge African elephant can only carry up to 25% of its own weight on its back. The rhinoceros beetle can carry 850 times its own weight. That would be like a 200lbs man, military pressing 170,000 lbs :strong:

I'd kick alot of ass then :whip:

Stumprrp
01-13-2007, 09:11 AM
that elephant attack was brutally scary

this is why we have weapons because when animals attack we have no chance at all lol.

im trying to think of other crazy animals, i think we covered them all

Mad Max
01-13-2007, 09:22 AM
So are we agreed that a rhino is the thoughest animal on land?

Mission
01-13-2007, 11:15 AM
I don't think a Kodiak bear would have hard of a time defeating a gorilla.

http://www.animals-pictures-dictionary.com/files/images/372.jpg

BTW: those circus videos piss me off. I hate when people abuse and trophy hunt animals.:mad:

Beast
01-13-2007, 11:22 AM
sure gorillas are super strong and all, but are they that fast? how is their dexterity? could a gorilla throw a baseball 70mph? how far could it toss a shotput ball? they arent physically superior to humans in all aspects.
You kidding? They can run up to 30mph and can jump over 12 feet.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2003/09/28/restless_gorillas/

Humans have NOTHING on them in terms of any physical feat.

Mad Max
01-13-2007, 11:44 AM
I agree that a brown bear could probably defeat a gorilla quite easily.

Bohizzle
01-13-2007, 12:16 PM
I just searched on youtube for "lion vs." and got a bunch of lion vs. tiger, lion vs. hyena fights, real intense.

Andrew

just found this: siberian tiger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlvedD1RDR0&mode=related&search=
Lions hunting a Water Buffalo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkZ8kOMWTdI&mode=related&search= some may find difficult to watch!

HahnB
01-13-2007, 12:32 PM
I just searched on youtube for "lion vs." and got a bunch of lion vs. tiger, lion vs. hyena fights, real intense.

Andrew

just found this: siberian tiger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlvedD1RDR0&mode=related&search=
That's a clip from a special about the sunderban region. It's a pretty interesting show about the bengal tigers in that region-it's one of the few places that tigers eat humans on a semi-regular basis. It's pathetic, but I own almost everything discovery or national geographic has ever played about big cats on tape or dvd.

Organichu
01-13-2007, 12:38 PM
I found the clip with the buffalo to be difficult to watch.

Bohizzle
01-13-2007, 12:41 PM
That's a clip from a special about the sunderban region. It's a pretty interesting show about the bengal tigers in that region-it's one of the few places that tigers eat humans on a semi-regular basis. It's pathetic, but I own almost everything discovery or national geographic has ever played about big cats on tape or dvd.

Youtube is awesome.. I've always loved wathcing shows about the big cats.

I think you mentioned one of a pride of lions taking down an adolescent elepahnt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOE4RzS7JPY&mode=related&search=

HahnB
01-13-2007, 12:43 PM
Youtube is awesome.. I've always loved wathcing shows about the big cats.

I think you mentioned one of a pride of lions taking down an adolescent elepahnt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOE4RzS7JPY&mode=related&search=

On that same program Lions and Elephants: Eternal Enemies, is where they show the pride taking down a hippo, as well as that elephant.

Stumprrp
01-13-2007, 01:43 PM
that was insane i kinda felt bad for the elephant, but think what are they really gonna do againsed a lion? is there nose strong enough to throw a lion?

HahnB
01-13-2007, 03:09 PM
that was insane i kinda felt bad for the elephant, but think what are they really gonna do againsed a lion? is there nose strong enough to throw a lion?

I saw an elephant flip a empty safari vehicle with it's tusks on tv once.

Beast
01-13-2007, 03:25 PM
10 lions overpowering 1 young elephant doesn't really impress me... I thought the lion that jumped onto the elephant from the tree was pretty sweet, though.

1mmort4l
01-13-2007, 06:56 PM
I don't think a Kodiak bear would have hard of a time defeating a gorilla.

http://www.animals-pictures-dictionary.com/files/images/372.jpg

BTW: those circus videos piss me off. I hate when people abuse and trophy hunt animals.:mad:



Awesome photo! That thing is HUUUUUGGGEEE!!!!!!

With that stance though, teach the gorilla how to do single and double leg shoots, and he has a chance... :rolleyes:

Rhino FTW though!!!

JamesBOMB
01-13-2007, 10:51 PM
Pit bulls were bred to ignore pain. I think pain actually makes them work harder towards which ever goal they have. If you raise a pit bull right, (i.e. not the way rappers and inner city people do) they are actually really good dogs.

We have a pit/lab. Ball or rope in her mouth I kick it she charges back for more. Keep kickin harder and harder while its in her mouth and she wants more. We gave her a 16lb bowling ball once and she kept trying to play with it despite her muzzle being rawed off and bleeding. Although I can raise a fist and she will run, dam crazy energized dog

Jordanbcool
01-14-2007, 05:15 PM
Honestly I dont think a gorilla could ever compare to a full blown grizzly bear. Those things are enourmous.

I was looking at the numbers and the mountain gorillas get the biggest. They are HUGE. Something like 6-7 feet and around 500-600 pounds. Grizzly bears though are considerably larger ecspecially a fully grown male.

I also think that if you took andre the giant or hulk hogan that the gorilla would not even fight them unless in extreme danger. Gorillas are very peaceful (as are most animals; humans being the only exception). Plus the sheer size of both those individuals would be quite intimidating to pretty much any animal (lets not forget that both men were around 7 feet tall weighing 250-400lbs).

Anyways before I go on a rant. I think the bear would kick the snot out of anyone, the gorilla would come next and then hulk hogan. I do think that hulk hogan would/could do alot of damage to a gorilla as any other larger person (again you'd have to consider that he would be fighting for his life). Obviously hulk hogan is more intelligent then the gorilla and I think that could play out to his advantage (I'd imgaine he would punch it in the throat, groin, or other vital/weak points).

So yea. While I agree that the gorilla would win I do not think that a large human (ronnie coleman, hulk hogan, andre the giant, paul dillet etc. etc.) would be a pushover.

Songsangnim
01-14-2007, 08:38 PM
I also think that if you took andre the giant or hulk hogan that the gorilla would not even fight them unless in extreme danger. Gorillas are very peaceful (as are most animals; humans being the only exception). (1) Plus the sheer size of both those individuals would be quite intimidating to pretty much any animal (lets not forget that both men were around 7 feet tall weighing 250-400lbs).

Anyways before I go on a rant. I think the bear would kick the snot out of anyone, the gorilla would come next and then hulk hogan.(2) I do think that hulk hogan would/could do alot of damage to a gorilla as any other larger person (again you'd have to consider that he would be fighting for his life). Obviously hulk hogan is more intelligent then the gorilla and I think that could play out to his advantage (I'd imgaine he would punch it in the throat, groin, or other vital/weak points).

So yea. While I agree that the gorilla would win (3) I do not think that a large human (ronnie coleman, hulk hogan, andre the giant, paul dillet etc. etc.) would be a pushover.

(numbers are mine)

1. Gorillas are not afraid of lions or leopards. (Male gorillas sleep on the ground where such predators can reach them). I doubt they'd be afraid of even very tall humans. Do you think they are afraid of giraffes?

2. You forget to take into account the gorilla's longer reach. Also hitting a gorilla most anywhere (excepting its eyes and maybe groin) would likely result in a broken hand, simply because of the density of muscle and bone.

3. Again given its longer reach and greater speed (not to mention the weight and strength advantage the human would be crushed in seconds. It's very hard to land a blow or kick when 400 lbs of enraged animal is rushing at you (probably wouldn't even feel a kick to the groin until it put the human down).

Jordanbcool
01-14-2007, 09:08 PM
(numbers are mine)

1. Gorillas are not afraid of lions or leopards. (Male gorillas sleep on the ground where such predators can reach them). I doubt they'd be afraid of even very tall humans. Do you think they are afraid of giraffes?

2. You forget to take into account the gorilla's longer reach. Also hitting a gorilla most anywhere (excepting its eyes and maybe groin) would likely result in a broken hand, simply because of the density of muscle and bone.

3. Again given its longer reach and greater speed (not to mention the weight and strength advantage the human would be crushed in seconds. It's very hard to land a blow or kick when 400 lbs of enraged animal is rushing at you (probably wouldn't even feel a kick to the groin until it put the human down).

lol for the record....when you say that it drives me NUTS ;)

1. There is usually more then one gorilla. A lone gorilla isnt dumb enough to fall asleep on its own. No matter your size, if you're asleep there is a good chance you won't do so well in a fight.

2. True

3. I was just thinking about the numbers. We all know gorilla's are just naturally strong. But some humans take unnatural things and train in unnatural ways to become unnaturally big. When a bodybuilder's weight is on contest they are as close to zero bodyfat as they could ever get. So, like ronnie coleman almost 300 pounds of pure total muscle is def. not something to take lightly. A gorilla's weight is alot of fat like most natural animals. If you pumped up ronnies weight to a more healthy level he would be close to 330-350 and still have the overwhelming majority of it all muscle. Yes gorillas are strong but can you deadlift and squat 800+ pounds for reps.? I know I couldnt.

I think a gorilla would win simply because a human is totally outclassed. Gorilla's have better tools then we do. Like huge gapping teeth.

I just don't think someone as big as ron coleman or andre the giant would go down as easily as everyone would think. Gorilla's are huge but so are these guys. They are jacked up on so much stuff its crazy.

EDIT: Now to be fair my comparison isn't realistic. If you took a NORMAL human with a NORMAL gorilla the fight would be a joke. I'm simply taking the best/biggest humans. I think if gorillas could take roids and trained like us they could double their size. Just like us.

betastas
01-14-2007, 09:14 PM
You're living in a pretend world Jordan. A gorilla would tear the hell out of any human. They're many times faster, stronger, tougher and powerful than even one of your examples.

Shane
01-14-2007, 11:49 PM
lol for the record....when you say that it drives me NUTS ;)

1. There is usually more then one gorilla. A lone gorilla isnt dumb enough to fall asleep on its own. No matter your size, if you're asleep there is a good chance you won't do so well in a fight.

2. True

3. I was just thinking about the numbers. We all know gorilla's are just naturally strong. But some humans take unnatural things and train in unnatural ways to become unnaturally big. When a bodybuilder's weight is on contest they are as close to zero bodyfat as they could ever get. So, like ronnie coleman almost 300 pounds of pure total muscle is def. not something to take lightly. A gorilla's weight is alot of fat like most natural animals. If you pumped up ronnies weight to a more healthy level he would be close to 330-350 and still have the overwhelming majority of it all muscle. Yes gorillas are strong but can you deadlift and squat 800+ pounds for reps.? I know I couldnt.

I think a gorilla would win simply because a human is totally outclassed. Gorilla's have better tools then we do. Like huge gapping teeth.

I just don't think someone as big as ron coleman or andre the giant would go down as easily as everyone would think. Gorilla's are huge but so are these guys. They are jacked up on so much stuff its crazy.

EDIT: Now to be fair my comparison isn't realistic. If you took a NORMAL human with a NORMAL gorilla the fight would be a joke. I'm simply taking the best/biggest humans. I think if gorillas could take roids and trained like us they could double their size. Just like us.


lol, a chimp might even kick Ronnie Coleman's ass. I'm not even kidding. And you think Coleman could give a gorilla a decent fight?

"It's a lot easier to get a chimp in roller skates than it is to get him to pump iron--hence, most of the data on chimp strength is anecdotal and decidedly unscientific. In tests at the Bronx Zoo in 1924, a dynamometer--a scale that measures the mechanical force of a pull on a spring--was erected in the monkey house. A 165-pound male chimpanzee named "Boma" registered a pull of 847 pounds, using only his right hand (although he did have his feet braced against the wall, being somewhat hip, in his simian way, to the principles of leverage). A 165-pound man, by comparison, could manage a one-handed pull of about 210 pounds. Even more frightening, a female chimp, weighing a mere 135 pounds and going by the name of Suzette, checked in with a one-handed pull of 1,260 pounds. (She was in a fit of passion at the time; one shudders to think what her boyfriend must have looked like next morning.) In dead lifts, chimps have been known to manage weights of 600 pounds without even breaking into a sweat. A male gorilla could probably heft an 1,800-pound weight and not think twice about it."

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_001b.html

Face it, humans are pretty much the panzies of the animal kingdom.

Songsangnim
01-15-2007, 12:48 AM
lol for the record....when you say that it drives me NUTS ;)

1. There is usually more then one gorilla. A lone gorilla isnt dumb enough to fall asleep on its own. No matter your size, if you're asleep there is a good chance you won't do so well in a fight.

2. True

3. I was just thinking about the numbers. We all know gorilla's are just naturally strong. But some humans take unnatural things and train in unnatural ways to become unnaturally big. When a bodybuilder's weight is on contest they are as close to zero bodyfat as they could ever get. So, like ronnie coleman almost 300 pounds of pure total muscle is def. not something to take lightly. A gorilla's weight is alot of fat like most natural animals. If you pumped up ronnies weight to a more healthy level he would be close to 330-350 and still have the overwhelming majority of it all muscle. Yes gorillas are strong but can you deadlift and squat 800+ pounds for reps.? I know I couldnt.

I think a gorilla would win simply because a human is totally outclassed. Gorilla's have better tools then we do. Like huge gapping teeth.

I just don't think someone as big as ron coleman or andre the giant would go down as easily as everyone would think. Gorilla's are huge but so are these guys. They are jacked up on so much stuff its crazy.

EDIT: Now to be fair my comparison isn't realistic. If you took a NORMAL human with a NORMAL gorilla the fight would be a joke. I'm simply taking the best/biggest humans. I think if gorillas could take roids and trained like us they could double their size. Just like us.


1. The female and children climb into trees. The male stays on the ground. Very few animals are dumb enough to attack a gorilla. Besides which where gorillas sleep are very few predators.



3. Numbers don't matter here. Ronnie could weight the same as the gorilla...the ape would still be about 5 or 6 times as strong. I recall reading about an attempt to catch a baby gorilla for a zoo. They threw a net over it, just as a whole troupe of adult gorillas came rushing up. The humans took to their heels and ran out of there. As they got to the far end of the clearing the author glanced back. He saw an adult female pick up the steel mesh net, baby and all, and tear it apart like confetti. That net had a tearing strength of many hundreds of pounds. Now imagine a fully grown MALE gorilla who is much much stronger against a human, any human. It'd pull the arms and legs off the human like a boy pulling the wings off of flies. I think you really don't comprehend just HOW much stronger a gorilla is than a human being.

Look at what Mr. Shane posted. A chimp pulled 847 with ONE HAND. Ronnie needs two and his entire body to pull 800. Now a gorilla weights about as much as 2-3 chimps and is about as strong. That should give you an idea just how powerful these things are. They'd play with 800 lbs.

HahnB
01-15-2007, 01:09 AM
(numbers are mine)

1. Gorillas are not afraid of lions or leopards.

Gorillas live in tropical areas, lions don't. A leopard is very capable of killing a gorilla and vise versa. I'd also be interested in seeing actual proof of a 160lb chimp lifting almost 900lbs with one hand.

Songsangnim
01-15-2007, 03:19 AM
1. Gorillas live in tropical areas, lions don't. (2) A leopard is very capable of killing a gorilla and vise versa. (3) I'd also be interested in seeing actual proof of a 160lb chimp lifting almost 900lbs with one hand.

(numbers are mine)

1. Gorillas inhabit "tropical rain forests, forest edges and clearings, riverine forests, swamps and abandoned cultivated fields".
http://www.seaworld.org/infobooks/Gorilla/habdistgor.html

So while unlikely a meeting is possible.

2. Since the male gorilla generally sleeps on the ground that would suggest that he is not afraid of the leopard. Of course a leopard is capable but again it's very unlikely that a leopard is going to attack a healthy full grown male gorilla.

3. These were well-recorded feats by eyewitnesses. And I should note that these were not LIFTING exercises per se, they were PULLING exercises. If you brace yourself against something (as the chimp was doing) and are very strong you can pull a lot of weight. In WSM competitions, some events including pulling a train boxcar a certain distance. Of course the competitor weights a lot more than a 160 chimp...but then the boxcar is a LOT more than 900 lbs. I don't find it difficult to believe at all that a chimp is as strong as a WSM competitor.

HahnB
01-15-2007, 07:45 AM
(numbers are mine)


2. Since the male gorilla generally sleeps on the ground that would suggest that he is not afraid of the leopard.

I wouldn't give much of a chance to the gorilla if it were attacked at night by a creature that can see perfectly in the dark, considering the gorillas night vision is the same as a humans. It would be dead before it even woke up.

Jordanbcool
01-15-2007, 08:43 AM
Ronnie coleman may not be as strong as a gorilla (as I've already stated) but I still think he has sufficient MASS to intimidate or defend himself against an attack.

I've seen scrawny guys dead lift just as much as me but I wouldn't be afraid of them in a fight. A fight doesn't work like a lifting competition. Granted it would help to be able to lift and throw a given weight (like maybe the gorilla could just pick him up and throw ronnie). But if ronnie is kicking and punching with his legs/arms that are known to leg press thousands of pounds.......I dont think its going to be THAT easy.

Again. I'm not concerned about all the "studies" that have been done. Most of them aren't very fair as it would be hard to motivate a chimp/gorilla to sit around and lift weights. I'm looking at the muscle mass. Again, if there was an animal that could get to 300 pounds of lean muscle I'm sure it would be an astonishment to the known world.

One last note. Don't dismiss our intelligence. I'm sure ronnie being as dumb as he is, is going to pick up something (a branch) or kick the gorilla in a vital place to help his odds. He's fighting for his life. This isn't some pay per view boxing match. He's using everything in his power to win.

Shane
01-15-2007, 10:44 AM
Gorillas live in tropical areas, lions don't. A leopard is very capable of killing a gorilla and vise versa. I'd also be interested in seeing actual proof of a 160lb chimp lifting almost 900lbs with one hand.

Ya, I'm not sure which would win between a gorilla and a leopard. I think it would all depend on the circumstances. The big cats are strong in their own right. It's too bad they don't do some studies on their strength to see just how these animals are. Unfortunately, zoologists probably have other things they care about studying more. lol

HahnB
01-15-2007, 11:49 AM
Ya, I'm not sure which would win between a gorilla and a leopard. I think it would all depend on the circumstances. The big cats are strong in their own right. It's too bad they don't do some studies on their strength to see just how these animals are. Unfortunately, zoologists probably have other things they care about studying more. lol

There's no doubt a 400lb gorilla is stonger than a 160lb leopard-and that says a lot because leopards can carry an animal 3 times their weight up a tree. I'm just thinking that if the gorilla is attacked by suprise, it would probably be killed.

pipes
01-15-2007, 03:10 PM
Ronnie coleman may not be as strong as a gorilla (as I've already stated) but I still think he has sufficient MASS to intimidate or defend himself against an attack.


I don't thing it matters really how much a human can deadlift or bench, a fight is a completely different story. A doubt a gorilla would the least bit intimidated by ronnie. I honestly believe a gorilla would literally rip all of ronnies limbs off in less than 20 seconds. I'd love to see the look on ronnies face with an angry gorilla coming straight at him. He'd s**t half his body weight before the thing even got to him.

johnlion77
02-14-2008, 03:13 PM
Recently I watched the new King Kong, and it got me wondering... Does anybody here know the strength of an adult male gorilla as compared to World's Strongest Man. I'd imagine the WSM guys would be a little stronger, but how much?

gorillas have the strength of 10 men. the average man can deadlift 250 lbs, so a gorilla would be able to deadlift 10 times as much, or 2500 lbs.

i know this because gorillas average about 416 lbs, the same amount as lions and tigers. at such weights, it`s literally impossible to have a muscle mass over 60%, which i deduc must be a gorillas average muscle mass, along with lions and tigers.

in a study done of more than 20 male siberians, not a single male was found to weigh over 420 lbs. they are the same size as a gorilla, but much more deadly.

a gorilla is about 3 times stronger than any man in the wsm, so it could litterally rip their arms off.

HahnB
02-14-2008, 07:18 PM
in a study done of more than 20 male siberians, not a single male was found to weigh over 420 lbs. they are the same size as a gorilla, but much more deadly.



I worked at a sanctuary that now has 2 Siberians, the smalllest is just over 550lbs.

Sensei
02-14-2008, 07:45 PM
I'm sure I've already responded to this idiotic thread, but this is all that needs to be said:

You're living in a pretend world Jordan. A gorilla would tear the hell out of any human. They're many times faster, stronger, tougher and powerful than even one of your examples.

Invain
02-14-2008, 07:50 PM
What I don't understand is, how are chimps and gorillas so much stronger than humans? To my understanding, muscle is muscle. Of course a silverback gorilla is going to have more muscle than an average human, since they're 300 - 400 pounds and all, but still. Do they have different types of muscle fibers or something? Do they have magical muscles that can exert 10 times the normal force? I'd honestly have to see a monkey lift crazy amounts of weight with my own eyes before I believe they are "10 times as strong as a human".

Invain
02-14-2008, 08:02 PM
Found this interesting (taken from another forum):

"Little known fact -- a chimpanzee could never throw a rock as fast, or punch as hard as a human. Their arms are very strong but SLOW. Arms of all primates act as force-reducing levers, with muscle attachments very close to the joint. When you bend your arm, your bicep contracts less than an inch, but that motion is levered to much longer, faster and weaker, sweep of your hand. To test this, put a band around your forearm close to the elbow, tie a 100 lb weight to the band, and do arm curls. You'll be amazed how easily you can lift this 100 lb weight... by about an inch.

Ape muscles attach further from the joint, so the force reduction is not as great. Chimpanzee bicep actually produces about as much force as male human's bicep, but the lever makes the difference. Which is why chimpanzees never punch each other in fights -- it would be completely ineffective. Instead, they grab and tear."

Runty
02-14-2008, 10:04 PM
This thread was incredibly incredible. I love the rundowns and analysis. Took a good while to read most of it but I think I'm better after the fact. Haven't watched all the videos but I definitely will.

On another note, is it just me or have a lot of really old threads been restarted lately?

Songsangnim
02-14-2008, 10:15 PM
What I don't understand is, how are chimps and gorillas so much stronger than humans? To my understanding, muscle is muscle. Of course a silverback gorilla is going to have more muscle than an average human, since they're 300 - 400 pounds and all, but still. Do they have different types of muscle fibers or something? Do they have magical muscles that can exert 10 times the normal force? I'd honestly have to see a monkey lift crazy amounts of weight with my own eyes before I believe they are "10 times as strong as a human".


Much denser bones and muscles. Nothing magical about it.

HahnB
02-14-2008, 11:09 PM
Just imagine a 400lb animal that is sitting at 8% body fat (estimation) that has NEVER TOUCHED A WEIGHT OR ANABOLIC SUBSTANCE IN ITS LIFE. That's pure genetic power. They're a world apart from a human being.

Invain
02-14-2008, 11:17 PM
I'm definitely not arguing that a person could beat a Gorilla, it'd be no contest for sure. I really am curious about the strength though, as I think it's a bit over-exhaggerated. Sure maybe their bones and muscle are a little denser, but it can't be that much of a difference. I read somewhere that scientists think gorillas may have certain genes that are different for myostatin, making their muscle fibers bigger/stronger. Something like that would make sense I guess.

And Hahn, I have no clue where you got that 8% bf number. I found a real study cited many different places that gives a range of 19 - 44%.

nhlfan
02-14-2008, 11:25 PM
Found this interesting (taken from another forum):

"Little known fact -- a chimpanzee could never throw a rock as fast, or punch as hard as a human. Their arms are very strong but SLOW. Arms of all primates act as force-reducing levers, with muscle attachments very close to the joint. When you bend your arm, your bicep contracts less than an inch, but that motion is levered to much longer, faster and weaker, sweep of your hand. To test this, put a band around your forearm close to the elbow, tie a 100 lb weight to the band, and do arm curls. You'll be amazed how easily you can lift this 100 lb weight... by about an inch.

Ape muscles attach further from the joint, so the force reduction is not as great. Chimpanzee bicep actually produces about as much force as male human's bicep, but the lever makes the difference. Which is why chimpanzees never punch each other in fights -- it would be completely ineffective. Instead, they grab and tear."

that's interesting!

Songsangnim
02-15-2008, 03:57 AM
I'm definitely not arguing that a person could beat a Gorilla, it'd be no contest for sure. I really am curious about the strength though, as I think it's a bit over-exhaggerated. Sure maybe their bones and muscle are a little denser, but it can't be that much of a difference.%.

Their muscles and bones are much denser by a factor of several times. Hitting a gorilla in the torso would be like hitting a wall.

That said I could easily take on an number of 600 lb gorillas in unarmed hand to hand combat...see below







www.600lbgorillas.com

HahnB
02-15-2008, 08:05 AM
I'm definitely not arguing that a person could beat a Gorilla, it'd be no contest for sure. I really am curious about the strength though, as I think it's a bit over-exhaggerated. Sure maybe their bones and muscle are a little denser, but it can't be that much of a difference. I read somewhere that scientists think gorillas may have certain genes that are different for myostatin, making their muscle fibers bigger/stronger. Something like that would make sense I guess.

And Hahn, I have no clue where you got that 8% bf number. I found a real study cited many different places that gives a range of 19 - 44%.

44% ? That seems way off to me. Most males you can see outlines of abs and a chest. 44% body fat and a gorilla wouldn't be very strong at all.

Invain
02-15-2008, 08:27 AM
I said an average range of 19 - 44%. I'm not sure what kinda gorillas you're looking at but last time I checked they usually have pretty huge guts. And why wouldn't they be strong with a higher body fat % than you guessed? Look at somebody like Jeff Lewis and tell him he's not very strong.

HahnB
02-15-2008, 08:53 AM
I said an average range of 19 - 44%. I'm not sure what kinda gorillas you're looking at but last time I checked they usually have pretty huge guts. And why wouldn't they be strong with a higher body fat % than you guessed? Look at somebody like Jeff Lewis and tell him he's not very strong.

44% body fat is extremely obese. I don't know who Jeff Lewis is but I wasn't aware any powerlifters were that obese.

killxswitch
02-15-2008, 12:35 PM
Imagine if a gorilla were to work out. If they're that strong just living life, a "gym rat" gorilla would be the scariest beast around.

If any species of animal suddenly developed intelligence we'd all be screwed.

blackboard
02-15-2008, 12:49 PM
Imagine if a gorilla were to work out. If they're that strong just living life, a "gym rat" gorilla would be the scariest beast around.

If any species of animal suddenly developed intelligence we'd all be screwed.

They should have slaughtered us in Planet of the Apes.

AKMass
02-15-2008, 12:51 PM
If any species of animal suddenly developed intelligence we'd all be screwed.

I'd put my money on the ant-eater. No one ever suspects the ant-eater. I mean think about it, they've already got the termites chewing away at our residential infrastructure....:eek:

noahfor123
02-15-2008, 12:56 PM
Imagine if a gorilla were to work out. If they're that strong just living life, a "gym rat" gorilla would be the scariest beast around.

If any species of animal suddenly developed intelligence we'd all be screwed.

Maybe working out wouldn't do anything for a Gorilla. People workout to get closer to their genetic potential for size and strength. Maybe Gorillas are just naturally at or very near to their genetic potential for strength and that is a small part of why they are so strong. I'm not basing this on any science, but it's a thought.

killxswitch
02-15-2008, 01:09 PM
Maybe working out wouldn't do anything for a Gorilla. People workout to get closer to their genetic potential for size and strength. Maybe Gorillas are just naturally at or very near to their genetic potential for strength and that is a small part of why they are so strong. I'm not basing this on any science, but it's a thought.

I wonder how they manage that? It's so weird that animals are so different. What you say makes sense, though yeah I dunno how you'd test or measure that since you can't make a captive gorilla lay down and press on a bench.

If there's some chemical in primates that would make them utilize nutrients more effectively I wonder if it could be processed into some sort of supplement. I'd be curious to see if there's been any research done on this.

We've all learned from this discussion that gorilla bones and muscles are more dense than a humans. So, how do humans develop significantly more bone and muscle density? Interesting to consider. It's just weird that these animals get so strong eating nothing but plants.

Hatred
02-15-2008, 01:47 PM
I also read somewhere that primates have more neurotransmitters as well which allows for more activation.

bjohnso
02-15-2008, 03:24 PM
I haven't read the whole thread, so maybe this question has already been asked, but:

How do gorillas (or any herbivore for that matter) get so big and strong while eating leaves and bamboo and stuff like that? The protein intake must be tiny.

blackboard
02-15-2008, 04:06 PM
I haven't read the whole thread, so maybe this question has already been asked, but:

How do gorillas (or any herbivore for that matter) get so big and strong while eating leaves and bamboo and stuff like that? The protein intake must be tiny.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Wild-Animals-705/Primate-strength.htm

BrettC
02-15-2008, 04:30 PM
Maybe working out wouldn't do anything for a Gorilla. People workout to get closer to their genetic potential for size and strength. Maybe Gorillas are just naturally at or very near to their genetic potential for strength and that is a small part of why they are so strong. I'm not basing this on any science, but it's a thought.

My guess is due to the fact that there always active, they have to work to get food and always be on the move. Most humans are forced to sit for a majority of the day due to work or school, and when they move its usually by car most never need any physical strength to survive

bjohnso
02-15-2008, 05:49 PM
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Wild-Animals-705/Primate-strength.htm

I don't understand. Humans still need protein for muscle. Why don't other primates? I don't think any one of us would be very successful in bodybuilding/powerlifting while eating <100g (estimation) of protein a day.

noahfor123
02-15-2008, 06:20 PM
Vegetables are pretty high in protein if you compare the amount of protein to the total calories instead of the total volume of matter. According to fitday if you ate 9000 calories worth of spinach you'd be getting 1200 grams of protein. For a 400 pound Gorilla that's 3g per pound of bodyweight. And, they have to eat a pretty large amount of calories to sustain their bodyweight.

bjohnso
02-15-2008, 07:16 PM
Vegetables are pretty high in protein if you compare the amount of protein to the total calories instead of the total volume of matter. According to fitday if you ate 9000 calories worth of spinach you'd be getting 1200 grams of protein. For a 400 pound Gorilla that's 3g per pound of bodyweight. And, they have to eat a pretty large amount of calories to sustain their bodyweight.

Ah, I see now. Thanks.

Runty
02-15-2008, 08:09 PM
Yeah, they basically eat all friggin day too so I'm sure their calorie intake is extremely high.

Sensei
02-16-2008, 10:36 AM
What I don't understand is, how are chimps and gorillas so much stronger than humans? To my understanding, muscle is muscle. Of course a silverback gorilla is going to have more muscle than an average human, since they're 300 - 400 pounds and all, but still. Do they have different types of muscle fibers or something? Do they have magical muscles that can exert 10 times the normal force? I'd honestly have to see a monkey lift crazy amounts of weight with my own eyes before I believe they are "10 times as strong as a human".
Tendons and muscle attachments are precisely the reason that they will be able to express "superhuman" strength. It's nothing magical. Can a kangaroo squat more than a human? Probably not, but that doesn't mean you'd want one to kick you.
The quote you posted later that says apes are weaker is silly logic. No, they will not be able to throw a straight punch or throw in the same way a human would, but you wouldn't want one clubbing you with its mitts, or slinging manhole covers at you either.

Invain
02-16-2008, 03:47 PM
Tendons and muscle attachments are precisely the reason that they will be able to express "superhuman" strength. It's nothing magical. Can a kangaroo squat more than a human? Probably not, but that doesn't mean you'd want one to kick you.
The quote you posted later that says apes are weaker is silly logic. No, they will not be able to throw a straight punch or throw in the same way a human would, but you wouldn't want one clubbing you with its mitts, or slinging manhole covers at you either.

Nowhere in my quote did it say chimps were weaker. Maybe you should read it again, I don't see any silly logic in it at all. Chimp arms are meant to work differently than ours. I'm not arguing that other animals could easily whoop our asses. To be honest, humans seem to be the weakest of all 100+ lb mammals in terms of "fighting stuff." I'm just doubting certain claims that a gorilla is something like 10 times as strong as a man. A 120 pound man maybe.... I think it's hard to measure total strength when our bodies are built differently. Our legs are superior to chimps, so you could turn the whole argument around and say we're stronger than chimps if you forget about arms.

Sensei
02-16-2008, 05:46 PM
Ok, I guess my reading comprehension is poor then.

Chickenlegs
02-17-2008, 06:15 AM
This guy didn't want any part of the silverback.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RW-vQr7wcFM

whiteman90909
02-17-2008, 08:19 AM
This guy didn't want any part of the silverback.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RW-vQr7wcFM

He's got a gun!