Pushing to many pencils?

[Jordanbcool]

I'm sure this thread has been done to death.

What are your guys experiences with women and muscular men. I always thought every girl liked bodybuilders or atleast fit healthy men.

But alot of women I talk to like the opposite. Not the majority but some of them. They like guys that are small, scrawny and fairly weak. I think their main attraction is the abdominal muscles. Everything else could be non existent or paper thin. Like scrawny chicken arms, legs that would make children laugh among other things.

Again this isn't true for all girls just some of them. But the very notion of women being attracted to men like that seems weird. I'd imagine they'd rather have a slightly overweight man since they could provide much more protection/security. Is it all the abercrombie models??

One of my friends looks like a little girl/boy. He's my age but looks like he is eight at the most and girls love him.

Meh. Just ranting at how some women think. Maybe they like scrawny men because they can control them easier or something??

Discuss Wbb women!!! And men I guess.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

When you stereotype, don't suddenly become surprised when someone doesn't fit your perspective. Everyone is different. If everyone was exactly the same, life would be boring.

And you should stop judging other people that aren't like yourself.

[Jordanbcool]

No need to get offended. I wouldn't consider myself to have a good physique. Maybe better then average but not by much.

Its not about me. I just always thought it was weird if I show someone a picture of a bodybuilder who I liked. Maybe someone like shawn ray or kevin levrone. Who I thought had a perfect aesthetic physique and people say "he is too strong, I like small guys".

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

I'm just saying, not everyone chooses to have this lifestyle. They shouldn't be judged for it. Not everyone shares the same views as you. Everyone is different. Some people like collecting bugs. Do I think they're weird? Perhaps. Do they have an absolute right to do that as an individual? Absolutely, and I have no right to judge them for it. Some girls like big guys, some don't.

[SpecialK]

I think a guy's physique has a lot less to do with a woman's attraction toward him than some of the posters here seem to think.

I always see posts like "duuuude, keep bulking, who are the girls going to go after, the guy who can squat 500 or the guy with the chicken legs?"

There are probably like 10 other qualities other than how big your legs/arms/etc. are that would determine whether or not a girl was attracted to you.

Heck, they probably couldn't even break it down into a nice neat list of traits.

That said, I agree with scarz that everyone has different preferences and I'm sure some women are attracted to more muscular physiques.

[d'Anconia]

Yeah I'm with SpecialK who happens to be with SoP.

Most of the guys in the gym have no idea how very little girls care about a guy's looks. Us males don't automatically understand this because we put a ****load of emphasis on looks when it comes to finding mates. I think if guys realized how little girls cared about their abs then the gyms would, at most, have half the guys in it than they do now.

BTW what a girl says and what a girl does are two VERY different things. Sure a lot of girls talk about how they like abs and all that but in the end it's the friendly (but confident) large guy that will get the most girls. In my experience I get a lot more chicks now at ~200lbs than I did in high school at 175lbs but then again my personality has changed a bit since then.

News Flash: your physique won't make or break your chances with a girl unless you're either a perfect model or a complete fatass. Now I'm not saying that we shouldn't be working out but rather working out is more useful in that it gives us a sense of accomplishment and keeps us healthy.

I always laugh when I see pop culture telling us how much girls supposedly care about our abs. All those rappers taking their shirts off, etc just wreaks of "please somebody look at me and tell me I look good".

But no, I don't think girls like skinny guys over larger guys (I know it's a generalization) because, IMO, when you enlarge (or 'exaggerate') a "dimorphism" (ie body size) between males and females then it really pronounces that you are a male. This is why us males usually like large firm breasts with a skinny waist, why females like taller guys over shorter ones, etc. Of course you can't go overboard but I think subconsciously being larger gets it into females' heads that you are a manly man.

Plus I'm tempted to say that deep down it's more flattering if a girl likes you for your personality rather than your looks. Granted you usually work hard to get in shape but if a girl picks you only because you have rock hard abs then that's a bit dehumanizing IMO.

[DeHartD]

Almost every single girl i know prefers a guy with muscles over a skinny guy. Some skinny guys are just better looking than muscular guys. Nothing you can do about it. Having a good build will give you a nice advantage though. The real key is how you approach/talk to women in almost any situation.

[DeHartD]

Plus I'm tempted to say that deep down it's more flattering if a girl likes you for your personality rather than your looks. Granted you usually work hard to get in shape but if a girl picks you only because you have rock hard abs then that's a bit dehumanizing IMO.

ya good call

[SpecialK]

Yeah I'm with SpecialK who happens to be with SoP.

Most of the guys in the gym have no idea how very little girls care about a guy's looks. Us males don't automatically understand this because we put a ****load of emphasis on looks when it comes to finding mates. I think if guys realized how little girls cared about their abs then the gyms would, at most, have half the guys in it than they do now.

BTW what a girl says and what a girl does are two VERY different things. Sure a lot of girls talk about how they like abs and all that but in the end it's the friendly (but confident) large guy that will get the most girls. In my experience I get a lot more chicks now at ~200lbs than I did in high school at 175lbs but then again my personality has changed a bit since then.

News Flash: your physique won't make or break your chances with a girl unless you're either a perfect model or a complete fatass. Now I'm not saying that we shouldn't be working out but rather working out is more useful in that it gives us a sense of accomplishment and keeps us healthy.

I always laugh when I see pop culture telling us how much girls supposedly care about our abs. All those rappers taking their shirts off, etc just wreaks of "please somebody look at me and tell me I look good".

But no, I don't think girls like skinny guys over larger guys (I know it's a generalization) because, IMO, when you enlarge (or 'exaggerate') a "dimorphism" (ie body size) between males and females then it really pronounces that you are a male. This is why us males usually like large firm breasts with a skinny waist, why females like taller guys over shorter ones, etc. Of course you can't go overboard but I think subconsciously being larger gets it into females' heads that you are a manly man.

Plus I'm tempted to say that deep down it's more flattering if a girl likes you for your personality rather than your looks. Granted you usually work hard to get in shape but if a girl picks you only because you have rock hard abs then that's a bit dehumanizing IMO.

I kind of picked up 2 conflicting statements from your post: one that says women don't care nearly as much about looks as some guys seem to think (which I agree with), and another that says women like larger men, which seems to imply that we should be trying to workout to get bigger.

[Jordanbcool]

I agree with that. Girls care less about a person's body then guys do.

Like girls care more about being funny and caring while guys lean more to looks.

I guess its always just a combination of both. I hate girls that think they are hot **** but are a total pain in the butt. At the same time...you want a nice girl but not someone that belongs on jerry springer.

[RBB]

having a good physique will get your foot in the door. its what you do with that chance that makes it or breaks it. if you're a douche, then its not gonna matter. of course, there are always exceptions. most skanks will let any bb type guys nail them, but hopefully that's not what you're after.

[Jordanbcool]

having a good physique will get your foot in the door. its what you do with that chance that makes it or breaks it. if you're a douche, then its not gonna matter. of course, there are always exceptions. most skanks will let any bb type guys nail them, but hopefully that's not what you're after.

To be honest...I will be for a while. I think every guy goes through that phase. I haven't really hit mine yet so I can feel it deep within my bones (no pun intended). Plus whenever I eventually run a cycle the urge will multiply ten fold.

But every guy is really looking for a good girl when it comes down to it. They are very very rare to find in todays society. Almost half of marriages end up in divorce. I think girls (sorry ladies) are starting to get meaner then some guys.

[BigCorey75]

matter of preference, thats all


not to sound like an ass but alot of girls especialy our age 18-26 are very insecure, why i dont know but they are. When they see a big guy they see it as intimidating and when they see the smaller guy its more a saftey issue like a mental thing like they can control him vs the big guy. the thing ive noticed about girls and women that like me. A. majority of them are older women who prefer men over boys, B. really awesome confident girls who love a big man and not little guys and are very confident in themselves.

but like i say man just lift for you, dont lift for women because if you do it willlead to dissapointment, cause if u lift for you, youll feel better and it will radiate throught ur confidence and the ladies will come man, keep pumping andkeep going and dont get discouraged

[Jordanbcool]

I think anyone who says the don't partially lift for looks is lying. Maybe not powerlifters but bodybuilders. Nothing wrong with that I don't think. People should take more pride in their bodies and try to develop them to the full potential. But again, thats just me.

I'm mainly just surprised at some responses I get. Like, they tell me that the bodybuilders aren't nasty or anything.......just that they are too "strong". You cannot really tell someones strength by a picture so it seems odd.

But yea. I guess that could be the intimidation factor. But I've had some girls tell me they'd much rather have a big guy (maybe even have him being fat) because they feel insecure with a smaller guy.

I guess......different strokes for different folks.

[RBB]

To be honest...I will be for a while. I think every guy goes through that phase. I haven't really hit mine yet so I can feel it deep within my bones (no pun intended). Plus whenever I eventually run a cycle the urge will multiply ten fold.


no doubt. everybody goes through that phase. so i guess i gave you the wrong answer, bro. yes, if you're looking to run through some skanks, strippers, etc. then a good physique and a little alcohol is about all you need, lol.

[RBB]

but like i say man just lift for you, dont lift for women because if you do it willlead to dissapointment, cause if u lift for you, youll feel better and it will radiate throught ur confidence and the ladies will come man, keep pumping andkeep going and dont get discouraged

great advice right there.

[Jorge Sanchez]

Girls are crazy. Don't waste your time worrying about what they think is attractive.

[d'Anconia]

I kind of picked up 2 conflicting statements from your post: one that says women don't care nearly as much about looks as some guys seem to think (which I agree with), and another that says women like larger men, which seems to imply that we should be trying to workout to get bigger.

Well just because they don't care about it as much as most guys would think doesn't mean that they don't care about it at all. I suppose you could look at it as if a man's attractiveness is an equation where the "looks" variable is small but can still have an impact. For however much they *do* care (and we're both agreeing "not *that* much), I'm saying that they prefer large/muscular men over small men. Again it's a generalization as women don't like Ronnie Coleman-large but then again I suppose they'd prefer him over the opposite extreme (anorexic-man).

Being large and healthy won't be the deal-sealer (usually at least) but it also won't ever bar you in that department.

[Jordanbcool]

no doubt. everybody goes through that phase. so i guess i gave you the wrong answer, bro. yes, if you're looking to run through some skanks, strippers, etc. then a good physique and a little alcohol is about all you need, lol.

haha. No worries man. Your advice was fine. Hey, if I meet a good one then I'll be a good bf but nothing wrong with having some fun until then ;)

[Jordanbcool]

Well just because they don't care about it as much as most guys would think doesn't mean that they don't care about it at all. I suppose you could look at it as if a man's attractiveness is an equation where the "looks" variable is small but can still have an impact. For however much they *do* care (and we're both agreeing "not *that* much), I'm saying that they prefer large/muscular men over small men. Again it's a generalization as women don't like Ronnie Coleman-large but then again I suppose they'd prefer him over the opposite extreme (anorexic-man).

Being large and healthy won't be the deal-sealer (usually at least) but it also won't ever bar you in that department.

Yup. I agree with this too. To say that women don't care about looks at all is being really unrealistic. Women think men are attractive, hot, sexy etc. etc. I think what RBB said is true. Having a good body will get your foot in the door. I.E. It will get their attention. Sorta like a fish and a shiny bait. Its how you act once you draw the attention that will determine if you're eating fish or not that night ;)

[Tofer]

I think most girls would take a good-looking guy over an average-looking guy who's built. Girls do care about a guy's physique, but they'll overlook that for guys who are "pretty". I mean, take a look at Orlando Bloom or Johnny Depp, and compare them to someone like Chris Klein. How many girls would choose the average looking guy with the better build (Klein) over the pretty boys who are rail thin?

That's a generalization, of course. There are definitely girls who look for guys with a nice physique, just like there are girls who tend to gravitate towards guys with a good sense of humor. And some girls... well, I don't even know what the hell they're looking for. My two oldest sisters are both pretty girls, and yet their boyfriends, as my mom has pointed out (LOL), aren't exactly attractive, and they don't exactly have the best personalities either.

So yeah, I mean you can try to make generalizations like I did above, but when it comes down to it, all girls are different and it's hard to say. Your best bet is to find a girl who's looking for the qualities that you possess.

[Stumprrp]

im not sure but most of the girls i know dont really care and think lifting is a cool hobbie, and to be honest seem more facinated with strength.

*grabs gut* if your a nice person along with being above average sized i think you should have no problem.

my mom told me body hair was crazy sexy back in the day to most girls lol

[WildJames]

I have lost about 40 pounds since I joined here and am certainly starting to get a bit more female attention. However, I guess it's just my bad luck because every girl I find attractive and am interested in pursuing is ALWAYS taken. It's very very frustrating. It seems like every woman I know is taken while every guy is looking for someone. And I thought there were more women than men in this freaking world, lol.

Oh and I don't know why women prefer scrawny stick boys over strong and thick guys. I understand it's personal preference but I just don't get what's attractive about being a rail.

[Davidelmo]

Most girls don't really have a "type" (big/small/tall/short) and I really don't think girls actually have any logic over what they find attractive or not. It's a combination of way too many variables, rather than just how big you are or what your body fat is.

I think size would only matter at extremes of the scale. If you are under 100lbs, most girls would definately find that unattractive. But if you are a waddling 400lbs with a 50+ inch waist and man-boobs, women would find that unattractive too. For everyone else, I doubt size or body fat makes that much difference.

[Beast]

Every girl has different tastes. I've met some who like ripped and some who like fat stomachs. They're all different.

[VikingWarlord]

To reiterate what's been said:

What women like is a guy who's confident in himself. Women are NOT like men in that physical attraction has less to do with overall attraction than it does with us tripods...and even then, different people like different things.

One girl I know likes either tall, lanky guys or short, stocky guys. Another of my good friends likes muscles, but likes the guy smooth, not shredded. Yet another one prefers chubby guys. It takes all kinds.

Another thing is that some girls feel intimidated by a big meathead. Some like it because of the fact that it makes them feel safe when they're with him, but the rest are worried that you're going to flip out in "roid rage" and beat them to death. I say this because I've had this conversation before.

I don't think anyone should worry about what women think of them. That's just an insecurity that belies the confidence they look for above all else, and you can't fake that. Women can smell that **** coming. Do what you do, do it for yourself, and everything else will take care of itself.

It's like Polonius said in Hamlet:

"This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man."

[VikingWarlord]

my mom told me body hair was crazy sexy back in the day to most girls lol

I need to invent a god damned time machine.

[phreak]

Another of my good friends likes muscles, but likes the guy smooth, not shredded.
That's my gf. She loves me being big (275-300 or even more), but niw that I'm cutting she is always telling me that she thinks cuts and visible abs are gross. Good, because it's not like I'll ever see those anyway. :P

[nhlfan]

\My two oldest sisters are both pretty girls, and yet their boyfriends, as my mom has pointed out (LOL), aren't exactly attractive, and they don't exactly have the best personalities either.


I'll be happy to date your sisters :whazzup:

seriously though, in my experience, personality has a lot more to do with success with women than looks.



my mom told me body hair was crazy sexy back in the day to most girls lol

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[Nik00117]

I think anyone who says the don't partially lift for looks is lying. Maybe not powerlifters but bodybuilders. Nothing wrong with that I don't think. People should take more pride in their bodies and try to develop them to the full potential. But again, thats just me.

I'm mainly just surprised at some responses I get. Like, they tell me that the bodybuilders aren't nasty or anything.......just that they are too "strong". You cannot really tell someones strength by a picture so it seems odd.

But yea. I guess that could be the intimidation factor. But I've had some girls tell me they'd much rather have a big guy (maybe even have him being fat) because they feel insecure with a smaller guy.

I guess......different strokes for different folks.

I don't lift for looks... I lift for performance... Is that a odd goal?

[WBBIRL]

It has to be a ton about personality or something. I see it all the time in the mall. These ugly ass guys who are either very very fat or very very twig like with some rather attractive girls.

So its either personality or all these fugly people are packin a damn big gun.

[blazedprodigy]

It has to be a ton about personality or something. I see it all the time in the mall. These ugly ass guys who are either very very fat or very very twig like with some rather attractive girls.

So its either personality or all these fugly people are packin a damn big gun.

Nah they always end up being just their friends. In my experiance if you want some play your gonna have to smell good, drugs and booze outta be involved and you have to act like you own the place and everything in it. At least in a party type setting.

[betastas]

Nah they always end up being just their friends. In my experiance if you want some play your gonna have to smell good, drugs and booze outta be involved and you have to act like you own the place and everything in it. At least in a party type setting.

I make bad jokes in computer terminology and mathematics and talk about even nerdier stuff. Melts the babes like butter.

[Jordanbcool]

99% of the time if the guys are ugly they have money. Thats how it always is when I see that. They don't charm they are just very well off.

Actually my past two ex girlfriends loved me when I was fat.

One of them didn't really care much but the other one said small guys scare her because they provide no protection in any dangerous situation (and she was a very very small person herself). I didn't care. I was fat ass hell and still getting it :D

[Jordanbcool]

I don't lift for looks... I lift for performance... Is that a odd goal?

No not at all. I also lift for performance (somewhat) but alot of guys that deny lifting even partially for looks are lying. At least the vast majority are.

[VikingWarlord]

So its either personality or all these fugly people are packin a damn big gun.

Contrary to what most men believe, not all women are size queens.


Nah they always end up being just their friends. In my experiance if you want some play your gonna have to smell good, drugs and booze outta be involved and you have to act like you own the place and everything in it. At least in a party type setting.

I'm going to guess you're still in high school.

[Jordanbcool]

Yup. High school sounds about right.

[Stumprrp]

IMO if a women really cares about how big your wang is, they should be shot or immediatly made a whore, lol.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

Nah they always end up being just their friends. In my experiance if you want some play your gonna have to smell good, drugs and booze outta be involved and you have to act like you own the place and everything in it. At least in a party type setting.You're wrong on so many levels.

[SpecialK]

Every girl has different tastes. I've met some who like ripped and some who like fat stomachs. They're all different.

Girls that actually like a fat stomach? Is this just a part of the whole "SHW PL'er" look, or just a fat stomach by itself (i.e. just fat, not fat and muscle)? Strange....

[VikingWarlord]

IMO if a women really cares about how big your wang is, they should be shot or immediatly made a whore, lol.

I can imagine that I'd not want to be cramming a fire hydrant in my peehole, so I'd not begrudge a woman the same standard. I'm not sure how common it is, but I could understand a woman being concerned about her partner being too large.

FWIW, all women I've known say that width > length anyway.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

FWIW, all women I've known say that width > length anyway.That's also equally stupid. That's the same thing, just a different direction.

[Tofer]

It's not that hard to believe that the average woman would prefer longer/wider over shorter/skinnier, so what makes it stupid?

[VikingWarlord]

That's also equally stupid. That's the same thing, just a different direction.

I guess my point wasn't apparent. Most women don't care, but if they had to choose, they'd choose width over length. It means that guys don't need to be so concerned about the size of their own equipment.

[Majestic]

This thread is wrong in so many ways.

Which age group are we discussing? Which social strata are we considering?

Which "stage" of employment are we focusing on? Which "stage" of life are we looking at?

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

It's not that hard to believe that the average woman would prefer longer/wider over shorter/skinnier, so what makes it stupid?You seem to have missed the point entirely. Congrats.



I guess my point wasn't apparent. Most women don't care, but if they had to choose, they'd choose width over length. It means that guys don't need to be so concerned about the size of their own equipment.Yeah...they shouldn't worry. It's not that big of a deal.

[Tofer]

Edit: I'm editing this post because it came off as sounding insulting. Hope we're still cool, Scarz. :angel:

[MeHoW]

Let's put it this way, if you are getting some then you have what women want. If you're not, then you don't. In the later case you need to change something either be it your douschebag personality or crappy looks, or both. There is no one great thing women look for.



Originally Posted by blazedprodigy
Nah they always end up being just their friends. In my experiance if you want some play your gonna have to smell good, drugs and booze outta be involved and you have to act like you own the place and everything in it. At least in a party type setting.

Yeah, that's not only in high school. But trust me you don't want to have anything to do with women that would require such behavior. Plus if you need alcohol to get laid then you're doing something wrong in the first place and you can possibly land behind bars.

[sharkall2003]

Another thing is that some girls feel intimidated by a big meathead. Some like it because of the fact that it makes them feel safe when they're with him, but the rest are worried that you're going to flip out in "roid rage" and beat them to death. I say this because I've had this conversation before.

And that's what my girlfriend likes. She likes it when I am very protective, that i'm very assertive and I'm a little arrogant. I'll people that I don't like them right to their face and I'll tell someone to shut up if they're pissing me off. It's probably because she is completely the opposite.

Most women I know prefer a well built, rugged man. They want a guy with some hair on his chest, one that is tough and doesn't give a **** what anyone thinks and will protect her. I personally don't mind that because that's how I was brought up being in a military family.

I also know girls that won't date a big guy or a fat guy. I know some girls that don't even care what a guy is like because they've been with douchbags that treated them like crap so now they just want a nice guy etc.

Here's the challenge: finding someone that likes you for you and you finding someone that you like for being him/herself. I want someone to like me for being myself. That means letting me be the leader, letting me make the decisions, and letting me be the protector. I had to find a girl that wouldn't mind that and that had things that I liked. I did. It's hard to generalize women that they only like big, strong guys. To me, I want a girl that likes that. Why? Because that's kind of how I am. I want a sweet, innocent, church girl who will treat me well. Not some high-maintenance woman that thinks she's too good for everyone.

I was the weightlifter in our school, I played sports (baseball, football, basketball) and I wanted a nice athletic girl (cheerleader) that wasn't a whore like all the other ones at my school. I found that. That's all you have to do. Sometimes it just takes time.

[Beast]

Girls that actually like a fat stomach? Is this just a part of the whole "SHW PL'er" look, or just a fat stomach by itself (i.e. just fat, not fat and muscle)? Strange....
Yep, just fat. My friend who was cutting down to get abs was told by his hot girlfriend that she loves a fatter belly on a man... It turned her on.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

Edit: I'm editing this post because it came off as sounding insulting. Hope we're still cool, Scarz. :angel:After I made my post, I thought about it and realized I might've sounded a bit insulting. Thanks for withholding your comment. We're still cool.

:whazzup: