Bang for your buck weight gain powder

[bics56]

I am looking around for a good bang for your buck weight gain powder. I figure it can replace one of my shakes avery day and would be a great wat to get protein and calories. Here is the best deal I can find...ON makes it so I figure it should be decent since they always seem to make quality products.

http://www.dpsnutrition.net/get_item_on404.htm

12 lbs for $29 (1250 cal per serving, only 2 scoops per serving)

[Rock Steady]

I am looking around for a good bang for your buck weight gain powder. I figure it can replace one of my shakes avery day and would be a great wat to get protein and calories. Here is the best deal I can find...ON makes it so I figure it should be decent since they always seem to make quality products.

http://www.dpsnutrition.net/get_item_on404.htm

12 lbs for $29 (1250 cal per serving, only 2 scoops per serving)

250 g of carbs vs. only 50g of protein? Meh... so you're mainly paying for sugar.

I use the Vitamin Shoppe's Tech-X Mass which can be bought for around $25/7.5 pounds depending how good current prices are. It has about 90 g of carbs and 50 g of protein per serving. Overall (I don't feel like doing all the math) I think this gives you a better price per gram of protein - if that means anything.

[bics56]

Hmm interesting, how many calories is that per serving and how many servings per container?

[Rock Steady]

Hmm interesting, how many calories is that per serving and how many servings per container?

I'll have to get back to you on the latter, but about 620 cals. You can check their website for it too.

[Unreal]

Real food is going to be cheap. 6lbs of oats at costco is $6. 5lbs of protein is $25, mix together in a blender with some olive oil or peanut butter. A serving of 1000 cals would probably be about 75 cents.

[bics56]

^^^ I did those...i was looking for a shake

[Holto]

^^^ I did those...i was looking for a shake

Real food > A pile of sugar

[Rock Steady]

Real food > A pile of sugar

I agree in general - but post-workout it's my understanding that 'a pile of sugar' isn't a bad thing at all. That's the only time I have my weight gainer shake.

[FighterInSnatch]

Real food > A pile of sugar:withstupi

[Holto]

I agree in general - but post-workout it's my understanding that 'a pile of sugar' isn't a bad thing at all. That's the only time I have my weight gainer shake.

Me too.

I was referring specifically to the context of this thread.

[bics56]

Holto, trust me if real food was an option I would go that route...but when i am busy and need to get an extra meal in shakes are great when you are on the run. That is the purpose of this thread...to find the best bang for you buck weight gain shake...hence I am trying to pay for my wedding and funds are limited. :)

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

You can make shakes at home with your own ingredients. And that's "real food".

[Holto]

Holto, trust me if real food was an option I would go that route...but when i am busy and need to get an extra meal in shakes are great when you are on the run. That is the purpose of this thread...to find the best bang for you buck weight gain shake...hence I am trying to pay for my wedding and funds are limited. :)

That doesn't mean you have to consume sugar + whey. You can blend up a real food shake before hand.

[bics56]

That doesn't mean you have to consume sugar + whey. You can blend up a real food shake before hand.


Are you saying weight gain powder is nothing but sugar + whey? Meaning that is where all the calories come from. If so I don't agree.

Here are the Supplement Facts for Bodytech's weight gain powder

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-2222
http://www.calorieking.com/foods/calories-in-sugars-granulated-white_f-Y2lkPTM3NTU0JmJpZD0xJmZpZD02Nzk4OCZwYXI9.html

Calories per serving: 620
Sugar per serving: 6gm

Sugar is 4 calories per gram....so 4 x 6 = 24 calories come from sugar.

That is a whopping (24/620) 3.87% of the 620 calories come from sugar


So to me I wouldnt say it is just sugar + whey...there is another 96.13 % calories not from sugar

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

I guess you missed the part on the nutrition label called "carbs". Do you know what maltodextrin is? That's where the calories are coming from. Maltodextrin is a polysaccharide and a form of glucose derived from starch. So, Holto is correct.

[bics56]

Ok so there are 93 grams of carbs...which is high...but 93 grams of carbs = 354 calories. So 354/620= 57% of the calories are carbs. So you can say a lot (not all) of the calories come from carbs.

But my point is when you are a busy person and need to fit in an extra meal these powders can be useful. All you need is a shaker and some water...no fridge or anything. And they are easy to prepare...so in that sense I am right.
I am bright enough to understand there are better sources of calories but when you are trying to get in 6 meals a day and are away from home 11-12 hours a day it gets hard to fit them in w/o easy to make shakes.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

Yes, it is easy. Or you can make your own at home beforehand and be ingesting something that isn't void of nutrition. It's up to you. But you can take it if you want.

[Slim Schaedle]

Are you saying weight gain powder is nothing but sugar + whey? Meaning that is where all the calories come from. If so I don't agree.

Here are the Supplement Facts for Bodytech's weight gain powder

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-2222
http://www.calorieking.com/foods/calories-in-sugars-granulated-white_f-Y2lkPTM3NTU0JmJpZD0xJmZpZD02Nzk4OCZwYXI9.html

Calories per serving: 620
Sugar per serving: 6gm

Sugar is 4 calories per gram....so 4 x 6 = 24 calories come from sugar.

That is a whopping (24/620) 3.87% of the 620 calories come from sugar


So to me I wouldnt say it is just sugar + whey...there is another 96.13 % calories not from sugar


Yeah man, hate to say it but you are wrong on a technicality and practicality.


Scarz layed down the polysacharide issue, an in practical terms, malto is almost no different than glucose in terms of digestion, etc.


Moral of the story? Don't argue with Holto.

[bics56]

Yeah man, hate to say it but you are wrong on a technicality and practicality.


Scarz layed down the polysacharide issue, an in practical terms, malto is almost no different than glucose in terms of digestion, etc.


Moral of the story? Don't argue with Holto.


Ok if you want to put it that way then OK...but I got him on the whole when your away from your house for 11-12hrs....that was my point to the thread and I think I have enough knowledge to understand natural (from quality sources of course) calories are better than a shake

Moral of story? When it comes to the point of my thread there is no need to tell me I need calories from real food. Like I said in many other post there are a lot of different people in different situations and for my situation a weight gain shake is a decent option.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

If I was in your situation, I'd be preparing healthy meals/shakes in advance and store them in an ice-filled cooler and bring it to work. It's a simple choice. Choosing to ingest garbage is completely your choice and nobody can take that from you. It is not the best option, though.

[bics56]

If I was in your situation, I'd be preparing healthy meals/shakes in advance and store them in an ice-filled cooler and bring it to work. It's a simple choice. Choosing to ingest garbage is completely your choice and nobody can take that from you. It is not the best option, though.

Ok thank you for the schooling...now I know all weigh gain powders = poop


But what I will take from this thread is if I could time when I take my weight gain shake I will do it on training day after my workout. Saying a weight gain shake is garbage is a bold statement...which is very surprising coming from you (sarcasm)

[Slim Schaedle]

Ok if you want to put it that way then OK...but I got him on the whole when your away from your house for 11-12hrs....that was my point to the thread and I think I have enough knowledge to understand natural (from quality sources of course) calories are better than a shake

Moral of story? When it comes to the point of my thread there is no need to tell me I need calories from real food. Like I said in many other post there are a lot of different people in different situations and for my situation a weight gain shake is a decent option.

Well judging from your comment in the other thread about Holto (you didn't specifically name him) being ignorant, amongst other things, which you ended up deleting only minutes after Scarz corrected you in this thread, I was compelled to provide a little commentary and support for my fellow WBBers.


As far as the argument about natural sources VS. malto, sugar, whey, whatevea and the actual purpose of this thread pertaining to convenience.....my post had nothing to do with that.

[DGabe24]

Not to get into this, because I personally take a weight gainer for breakfast and make my home-made shakes for other two meals. But what is everyone's issue with malto. I bet half of you just ride the bandwagon and don't evne know why getting so much of a source of cals from malto is bad. I have confidence Scarz will be able to answer me this :)

[Slim Schaedle]

I bet half of you just ride the bandwagon and don't evne know why getting so much of a source of cals from malto is bad

Those who commented on Malto:

Scarz
Unreal
Holto
Rocksteady
FighterinSnatch
me (i guess...even though I only vaguely commented on its molecular properties)


You sure you still want to make that bet?

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

Ingesting massive amounts of insulin-inducing garbage shakes that also lack many nutrients multiple times a day in place of good, healthy food just doesn't seem like a good idea to me. I'm a firm believer in getting your cals from as many healthy sources as you can...but that's just me. People can choose to eat however they want, but if you want optimal results in both the gym and your ever-changing body composition, taking priority in making better food choices seems like the right thing to do.

Anyway, I'm done discussing the same thing over and over again.

[bics56]

Well judging from your comment in the other thread about Holto (you didn't specifically name him) being ignorant, amongst other things, which you ended up deleting only minutes after Scarz corrected you in this thread, I was compelled to provide a little commentary and support for my fellow WBBers.


As far as the argument about natural sources VS. malto, sugar, whey, whatevea and the actual purpose of this thread pertaining to convenience.....my post had nothing to do with that.


I deleted it to avoid drama...but now you brought it up I mean ignorant meaning I had a reason for making this thread...and got the classic no you are wrong...blah blah...when he didnt even know my situation in his first post. Therefore he was ignorant....all he knew is I wanted to replace a meal with a shake...not I am away from my house and it is hard to get meals in. Hell real what ALN writes they recommend a shake if you are pressed for time...and they are one of the few supplement companies I trust.

[bics56]

Ingesting massive amounts of insulin-inducing garbage shakes that also lack many nutrients multiple times a day in place of good, healthy food just doesn't seem like a good idea to me. I'm a firm believer in getting your cals from as many healthy sources as you can...but that's just me. People can choose to eat however they want, but if you want optimal results in both the gym and your ever-changing body composition, taking priority in making better food choices seems like the right thing to do.


LIKE I SAID B4....I realize there are better quality calories. Look at some of my post on this site I can not tell you how many times I said "I am a firm believer all calories are the same....you have to take in good quality "clean" food" But you do not live my life have no idea how busy I am and please give it a rest that shakes are garbage...that is way to bold to state. I understand some shakes are better than others and started this thread to find the best one....not to argue with a know it all.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

We know your situation. You are away from home and have two options: making healthy pre-made meals/shakes and bringing them with you in a cooler or some other means, or ingesting garbage and continuing on your journey of not really caring about what's going on inside you. Don't start bringing ALN into this, as it isn't going to help your point. You are the only one who brought it up, thus making things even more pointless. You asked for advice, were given opinions, disregarded the advice given, and can now move on to do the thing you were apparently already ready going to do anyway despite what anyone told you. So go ahead and make your not-so-healthy alternative to healthy shakes.

And I didn't say shakes are garbage. Some people on here are all on liquid diets. I said your shake choice is garbage and that there are much healthier shakes you could be making that will affect your health in a positive light in the long run.

[Slim Schaedle]

I deleted it to avoid drama...but now you brought it up I mean ignorant meaning I had a reason for making this thread...and got the classic no you are wrong...blah blah...when he didnt even know my situation in his first post. Therefore he was ignorant....all he knew is I wanted to replace a meal with a shake...not I am away from my house and it is hard to get meals in. Hell real what ALN writes they recommend a shake if you are pressed for time...and they are one of the few supplement companies I trust.

lol...come on man.....I know you are trying to play it off but, I saw what you wrote about Holto saying weight gainers are only sugar and whey and your comment on his ignorance was closey tied to those words, and not what you describe above.

Of course the fact that you edited that post minutes after Scarz corrected you on the molecular makeup of maltodextrin is purely circumstantial. Therefore, I cannot formerly accuse you of deleting your comments because you were told you were wrong.


In any case, I am adding to the drama...but hey, I'm good at it.

[bics56]

lol...come on man.....I know you are trying to play it off but, I saw what you wrote about Holto saying weight gainers are only sugar and whey and your comment on his ignorance was closey tied to those words, and not what you describe above.

Of course the fact that you edited that post minutes after Scarz corrected you on the molecular makeup of maltodextrin is purely circumstantial. Therefore, I cannot formerly accuse you of deleting your comments because you were told you were wrong.


In any case, I am adding to the drama...but hey, I'm good at it.


Actually what I posted is why i deleted it...yes I said it was only sugar + whey...which is ignorant in my eyes...it is not only those two. There are good shakes out there that have many other quality nutrients in addition to being 50% carbs...which it seemed he was implying they are all carbs but I could be wrong on that account. Like I said about ALN...I trust those guys and the recommend taking a weight gain shake...so I will take their advice before taking advice saying they are nothing but garbage calories....That is where part of the ignorance comes in along with my situation .

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

So it's a trust issue? :scratch:

[Holto]

But you do not live my life have no idea how busy I am.

I once did nutritional consulting for a woman with 2 kids, 3 jobs and at the time she was a full time student completing a masters degree.

She pre-cooked a weeks worth of food on sundays and *gasp* carried it around in a cooler.

Watch Ronnie Colemans video where he is a full time police officer eating like 8 meals per day working 12 hr shifts. You won't see him sucking on the malto.

You're not ready.

[bics56]

I once did nutritional consulting for a woman with 2 kids, 3 jobs and at the time she was a full time student completing a masters degree.

She pre-cooked a weeks worth of food on sundays and *gasp* carried it around in a cooler.

Watch Ronnie Colemans video where he is a full time police officer eating like 8 meals per day working 12 hr shifts. You won't see him sucking on the malto.

You're not ready.


Thank you for your evaluation of myself...it truely means a lot to me. But the point it these shakes are not as bad as you make them out to be. However chances are I will end up taking ALN's word and buy some Opticen (what you and scarz are implying is garbage). But thank you again

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

Are you serious? Don't make threads if you don't care what anyone thinks. You've wasted your time and ours.

And your original product link wasn't to Opticen. I have yet to comment on Opticen. There you go again automatically rambling away about something that hasn't to do with what anyone was talking about. Opticen is not garbage. Opticen is a meal replacement powder that is a much better alternative than the original crap you posted. You can also make it even better by taking Opticen and mixing with some of your own ingredients. People here do that all the time. They make their own healthy shakes and add protein powder for extra protein or a meal replacement powder like Opticen.

I don't even know how you arrive at these thought patterns, but I declare insanity. You're not even listening. You're blocking everyone out and then posting something that doesn't even pertain to the advice given. :scratch:

If you're going with Opticen, then that is a much better decision than your original choice, as long as you're not having Opticen 6 times a day. How often do you you plan on having shakes? Actually, I should just simply stop caring since that's what you have done.

[RedSpikeyThing]

But you do not live my life have no idea how busy I am and please give it a rest that shakes are garbage

1) Grind oats in blender.
2) Toss in protein powder and powdered milk.
3) Put powder in large container with a scoop.
4) Scoop into a shaker cup when ready to consume.
5) Add water.
6) Shake.
7) Drink.
8) Eat one cup peanuts. (optional)

Use the time it would take to purchase the weight gainer and make this. Or, if you have to, leave out the last set of your workout once per week and do this instead.

[bics56]

Are you serious? Don't make threads if you don't care what anyone thinks. You've wasted your time and ours.

And your original product link wasn't to Opticen. I have yet to comment on Opticen. There you go again automatically rambling away about something that hasn't to do with what anyone was talking about. Opticen is not garbage. Opticen is a meal replacement powder that is a much better alternative than the original crap you posted. You can also make it even better by taking Opticen and mixing with some of your own ingredients. People here do that all the time. They make their own healthy shakes and add protein powder for extra protein or a meal replacement powder like Opticen.

I don't even know how you arrive at these thought patterns, but I declare insanity. You're not even listening. You're blocking everyone out and then posting something that doesn't even pertain to the advice given. :scratch:

If you're going with Opticen, then that is a much better decision than your original choice, as long as you're not having Opticen 6 times a day. How often do you you plan on having shakes? Actually, I should just simply stop caring since that's what you have done.

Way to throw out the insults to cover yourself. Its all good though I am not offended. You did say weight gain powders are garbage and Opticen is a weight gain powder where one of the main ingredients is again what you called garbage...so yes in did in a way call it garbage not directly though. Now if you read what I wrote through out the thread I am trying to find a decent powder...I posted the first one as an idea and it was pointed out it wasnt too great...I never once said after that it was good. I only said weight gain powders in general are not bad. I also said a few times I am not looking for "real food" shakes and after it was suggested I said I would like advice on a powder as well....not a classic scarz post where you act like you know it all and love to correct people (that is over 50% of your posts). But in your defense there are a lot of people you correct who do need corrected...but I do not agree in the manner you do so. So in the end I am not crazy, even though it drives me crazy when I ask for info on something specifically and I get the whole...its garbage...do this instead. I stated I know real food is better but I still want advice on shakes...if you thought Opticen was so great why wouldn't you suggest it then? IN the end I could care less and I will try to look for a quality weight gain shake to meet my needs. Minus the insults and whatnot I thank you for your advice and pointing out a few things.

[bics56]

1) Grind oats in blender.
2) Toss in protein powder and powdered milk.
3) Put powder in large container with a scoop.
4) Scoop into a shaker cup when ready to consume.
5) Add water.
6) Shake.
7) Drink.
8) Eat one cup peanuts. (optional)

Use the time it would take to purchase the weight gainer and make this. Or, if you have to, leave out the last set of your workout once per week and do this instead.

Finally, a decent reply. That is a good idea and seems fairly easy to do. Thank you.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

Opticen is not a weight gainer. It's a meal replacement powder consisting mostly of a mixed protein blend.


Finally, a decent reply. That is a good idea and seems fairly easy to do. Thank you.You may not like the results of the oats if you're just mixing it with water. It becomes rather thick and clumpy even when ground up in the blender. If you mix all the ingredients together in a blender, it works much better. And a coffee grinder works better than a blender when grinding oats. Turns the oats into a fine powder. You can also add strawberries, bananas, olive oil, ground almonds, etc...


I stated I know real food is better but I still want advice on shakes...if you thought Opticen was so great why wouldn't you suggest it then?Because I've been trying to recommend homemade alternatives and not pre-made products. :windup: I don't think it's "so great", but I do think it is a lot better than the original product that you were looking at.


even though it drives me crazy when I ask for info on something specifically and I get the whole...its garbage...do this instead.That's because the weight gainer you were looking at is garbage. :idea:


I only said weight gain powders in general are not bad.But most weight gainers in general ARE bad. :bang:


So if you really WANT to use a powder, I'd recommend Opticen or Nitrean and mix it with your own healthy ingredients to create a decent meal replacement option that's easy to take with you. I personally use this stuff ~> http://www.sportprotein.com/ because it doesn't affect the flavor of the ingredients I mix into my shakes.

[RedSpikeyThing]

Finally, a decent reply. That is a good idea and seems fairly easy to do. Thank you.

This is what everyone else was getting at:rolleyes:

[Talking_God]

Scarz, you're now my hero for posting that link, i'm definitely going to need to try that when i'm out of my current protein, that's an incredible deal for the amount of protein you're getting.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

^^

Yes, it is a great deal. However, the only downside is that you absolutely NEED a blender for it to mix properly. Otherwise it clumps.

[Talking_God]

Oh..well that's ok, 15 dollar blender at Kohl's here i come lol

[JHolmes145]

real gains by universal is better then serious mass imo

[piff]

One question about just grinding up oats and mixing them in with your regular shake...

Aren't oats complex carbs? I thought it was better to get simple carbs post workout because the complex carbs slow down digestion

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

It really doesn't matter.

[booyah]

I take N-large 2 and it seems to be working pretty well...If I'm consistent I can do about 2 lbs a week but problems is that once every few months I'll have 3 midterms in 1 week, sleep very little, eat very little, and then I lose 5 lbs...which sucks.

I think the main thing to remember is that they are supplements not replacements.

[RedSpikeyThing]

I think the main thing to remember is that they are supplements not replacements.

I think the other key thing to remember is that there is nothing special or unique about weight gainers. Anything that puts you into a caloric excess will allow you to gain weight.

[Slim Schaedle]

I think the other key thing to remember is that there is nothing special or unique about weight gainers. Anything that puts you into a caloric excess will allow you to gain weight.

True.


Might as well call "supplements" (whey, etc) "food"

[booyah]

I think the other key thing to remember is that there is nothing special or unique about weight gainers. Anything that puts you into a caloric excess will allow you to gain weight.

good point. I don't look at my N-large and say this will magically let me bulk. But, I have an eating routine and definitely rely on my N-large shakes with 800 cals to help put me in excess for my bulk.

[orangecrush]

Holy crap you guys. He wants a weight gaining shake, and he wants your advice on a weight gaining shake. He is not asking for advice on anything else. Please do not deteriorate this form.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

And as you can see, not many people approve of buying an unhealthy weight gain shake over something homemade or at least a healthier alternative supplement that can be combined with other ingredients.

[Holto]

Holy crap you guys. He wants a weight gaining shake, and he wants your advice on a weight gaining shake. He is not asking for advice on anything else. Please do not deteriorate this forum.

If you think this is deteriorating this forum you must not have spent much time here. We don't tell people what they want to hear, ever.

[chris mason]

AtLarge will be releasing a new weight gainer in the next few months. Rest assured it will be one of the best on the market. In fact, I can say with confidence it will truly be the best. It was specifically formulated to smoke everything else out there.

[bics56]

good point. I don't look at my N-large and say this will magically let me bulk. But, I have an eating routine and definitely rely on my N-large shakes with 800 cals to help put me in excess for my bulk.

Thank you, that is my point exactly.




Holy crap you guys. He wants a weight gaining shake, and he wants your advice on a weight gaining shake. He is not asking for advice on anything else. Please do not deteriorate this form.


Just what I was thinking.....but it is a normal thing form certain memebers...so you just have to learn to deal with it. All forums are like this.


If you think this is deteriorating this forum you must not have spent much time here. We don't tell people what they want to hear, ever.


Which I can respect, to a certain degree....if someone is in need of propper guidance then so be it. But you act like the advice I got in this thread was something I didn't know. It is not too hard to understand there are higher quality calories in real food as opposed to a powder. Look at some of my post on here I always say "a calorie is not a calorie...take in quality calories and results will be better" But non the less thank you for your advice minus the whole I am telling you how it is attitude.


AtLarge will be releasing a new weight gainer in the next few months. Rest assured it will be one of the best on the market. In fact, I can say with confidence it will truly be the best. It was specifically formulated to smoke everything else out there.


Humm...time frame? Flavors?

[chris mason]

Humm...time frame? Flavors?


In May sometime most likely. The initial offering flavors will be chocolate and vanilla.

Chris

[The Champion]

In May sometime most likely. The initial offering flavors will be chocolate and vanilla.

Chris

No strawberry?

[chris mason]

No strawberry?


Not initially. We have only tested chocolate and vanilla thus far.

Chris

[RedSpikeyThing]

AtLarge will be releasing a new weight gainer in the next few months. Rest assured it will be one of the best on the market. In fact, I can say with confidence it will truly be the best. It was specifically formulated to smoke everything else out there.

Can you say what the ingredients are?