Maximum Growth???

[Gunshow]

At 5'6.5" what do you guys think would be the maximum potential naturally, I have been anxious to start a tes/dbol cycle for almost 2 years now, but i know i have to wait until i reach my natural potential, what do you guys think that would be for someone my height. I'm only 170 right now and i know im not there yet, just wanna know if im getting anywhere close.

[cphafner]

you're too young. Please stop posting in here.

[Gunshow]

Sorry i didnt think there was an age limit on educating myself...

[Gunshow]

also i'm 18 years old, i think i can make my own decisions, good or bad by your standards, tons of top level bodybuilders started juicing alot younger than i am right now, and i've know tons of guys that have started juicing, but i havent. I've been learning about AAS for the last 2 years so that i can make the best decision for me. So i think i should continue to post in here, it would probably be alot smarter than just buying some gear and figuring it out as i go.. dont you think?

[cphafner]

you're not just asking for education. You have already ran a cycle. You have already said you bough stuff for your next cycle. You have already posted asking for sources. You might think you are old enough to make your own decision, but you obviously aren't. You physique is years away from being ready for a cycle. You are risking doing serious damage to your hormones at an early age.

[Beast]

At 5'6.5" what do you guys think would be the maximum potential naturally
It's different for everyone. The only thing you can do it eat and lift heavy... and listen to what people have said.

[Gunshow]

i ran a dbol only cycle before i knew anything about AAS and it was when i first got into lifting. I know how stupid that was and i wouldnt think about doing that again. I never posted that i've bought anything for my next cycle, i have only said what i have available to me. Im not risking doing any damage to myself because im not thinking about doing a cycle right now. I just want to know everything i possibly can for when i think im ready. Thanks for letting me know my physique isnt ready yet, but i already knew that. You may think im stupid because im young, but your 100% wrong i've done my research, and im doing everthing i can to learn more. YES ive made one dumb mistake by running a dbol only cycle but that was out of ignorance and i know that it was stupid. When i started taking dbol i didnt even know it was AAS i was just told it was a supplement to help with muscle size but please do not preach to me about that because i know it was dumb but that was like 3 years ago. I'm sorry about asking for sources i was not aware that that wasnt allowed. i knew you weren't allowed to post sourcs i didnt think it would be a problem if somebody PMed them to me... any ways you can have whatever opinion you want about me i'm just asking for answers to my initial question, and i dont need a lecture from you about me being to young i already ****ing know that..

[cphafner]

You posted this a week ago.

Thats the exact cycle i think im gunna start next month. I was thinking nolvadex instead of clomid though, which would you guys recommend?

I was thinking 1-10 300 mg test e
1-4 40-50mg dbol/day
5-end PCT Nolvadex ed
I'm not sure about the dose for nolva though so any input would be awesome.

[Gunshow]

That means nothing. I have been thinking about starting a cycle in the near future, but that is after i get an xray done to see if my growth plates have closed. If they have then i would consider doing a cycle in the near future... whether you agree with that or not, your opinion... i never really took into account the natural growth maximum, until now, thats why im posting to see what thah maximum would be for someone my size. If I'm no where near that limit, maybe i will rethink what i'm doing... i'm not going to make a stupid decision, regardless of what i post on a forum...

[Gunshow]

Anyways if anyone has any thing to help answer my initial question, i would really appreciate it, because i DO want to know everything i possibly can before making any firm decisions...

[Paul Stagg]

Your natural potential could be well over 200 pounds.

There isn't an upper limit, but as with anything, there are diminishing returns.

If you are 170 in contest shape, you are getting pretty close to those limits.

If you are 170, and you don't look like you lift, you are years away.

[Gunshow]

I'm 170, with 16% bf you can tell i work hard, but i still got a bit of gut goin on... im thinking 180-200 is gunna be as high as i go natty... but nothings for sure so we'll see.

[JSully]

170 @ 16% isn't much to brag about. You should really listen to the more experienced people here.

I'm 6' and reached 265lbs before ever starting a cycle. I did my first cycle when I was 21. When I was 18, I was 190lbs, not far from where you are due to height differences. At the time, I thought I looked like I worked out, but I look at past photos and it doesn't even look that way, I just looked skinny.

Trust everyone here, and if you get on the wrong person's nerves with some dumb repetitive questions you'll end up getting banned.

[Gabrielle]

At 18 you are nowhere close to your full potential. Wait until you are 21 and then see where you are at.

[Zygote]

I think if you want to start a cycle now then you should if you know the risks of taking AAS at your age and choose to accept those risks.

I cant see the benefit of sitting at a naturally low level of test simply because your younger while all the rest of us oldies are getting massive with x times more test then you have in your prime.

I think you can get away with a lot more at your age then I can at mine and with gear you'll really kick ass given equal motivation, attention to detail and nutrition.

Oh and before I get flamed, please show me proof that not waiting for your 'natural potential to be acheived' is any more dangerous or dangerous at all, vs cycling after that 'natural potential' is reached.

[cphafner]

Oh and before I get flamed, please show me proof that not waiting for your 'natural potential to be acheived' is any more dangerous or dangerous at all, vs cycling after that 'natural potential' is reached.

That's not the problem with taking steroids at a young age. The potential problem is shutting down your natural test production at a pivotal age of growth and maturation.

[jAy_Dub]

I'd wait a couple more years man. Take your diet and training to the next level 'naturally' in the next couple years so that when you do decide on juicing, you'll get much more out of it.

[Gunshow]

Thanks for the feedback guys... I know all the risks involved in cycling at my age and i know in the long run its probably a bad idea... i also know i want to get to atleast 185 naturally, my diet and training are both excellent. lol i think my way of thinking is more along the lines of zygote..

[Nosaj]

Dude, no offense but you're already short. Don't stunt any growth you might have available for size that you could gain naturally. You already stated you're at 16% bodyfat, you should cut down to at least 8-12% before you start a bulking cycle (if you start at 16%, you're going to end up at a really unappealing bf% and have to hold it through and after PCT to maintain any gains). Also, at 8-12%bf you'll be signficiantly lighter than you are now, and like LittleJake said, you'll look skinny, not like you work out. You're far from your natural potential, if this is really a lifestyle pasttime for you, then learn to respect this game and listen to the advice people are giving you here. Spend the next couple years mastering diet, get to 180-185lbs lean (single digit bf) natually, and then come back and have a conversation about gear. Or run a cycle and guarantee being 5'6" for the rest of your life, and stress your liver out when you clearly don't have the dedication to learn about diet.

[Gunshow]

waaaaiiiiiiiiitt, thats really good advice and i hear everything your saying, except for the last line..."and stress your liver out when you clearly don't have the dedication to learn about diet." how the **** can you say that you dont know one thing about my diet?!?!?! give me advice but dont ****ing chirp me i know what i'm doing... three years ago i didnt know what i was doing... but now i have a pretty good idea about whats goin on and im just as ****ing dedicated as everyone else here... Just because im not at the same level your at does not mean i dont have the same dedication, drive, and knowledge. So please dont assume **** like that just because i'm younger than you... show me some ****ing respect.

[Nosaj]

If you knew how to diet, you wouldn't weight 170lbs.

[WillKuenzel]

Just because im not at the same level your at does not mean i dont have the same dedication, drive, and knowledge. So please dont assume **** like that just because i'm younger than you... show me some ****ing respect.

Respect is earned. Not given. An attitude like that does not get respect. You're showing promise, don't ruin it with a piss poor attitude.

[Gunshow]

man im 18 years old... i started at 180 with probly around 30% bf. in 3 years i dropped to 150 and made my way back up to 170... sorry for having a bad attitude, but what your saying is that as soon as you know how to diet you immediately weigh 200 lbs with 8% bf and are ready to step on stage... Like i said before just because im not at the level your at does NOT mean im less dedicated than you, and i'm guessing im at least 5 years younger than you.. im 100% dedicated to my training and diet the only thing that im bad with right now is sleeping, and the only reason i dont get enough sleep is because of school and trying to get into university... please do not assume i dont have a good diet w/o even asking to see what it looks like, and not having a clue where i started out. i probably have the ****tiest genetics you can imagine, but im not complaining. i bust my ass everyday, and b/c of that, one day i will be 250 lbs ripped to shreds. ill be that guy standing at the top of the podium.

[Nosaj]

That's great bro, and I respect your dedication. My only point is hold off on the gear until you finish growing, because even if you do end up #1 on the podium the second place guy might be standing taller than you if you stunt any available growth you might still have.

[Gunshow]

i agree with that point 100%... i wouldnt start a cycle without having my growth plates xrayed to see if i was done growing... i would love to get an extra inch or so lol.

[Gabrielle]

It is common sense. Wait until you have a better base before jumping on. Its not about being dangerous, it is about common sense. Wait a couple of years and then consider anabolics. This way you do not develop a possibly irreversible addiction to gear. Start paying attention instead of acting immature. No one here thinks they are better than you.