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Maki Riddington
04-12-2007, 07:30 PM
It's good to see he knows what is needed to get into tip top shape.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/04/09/ultlimate.workout0409/
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Can'tstopnow
04-12-2007, 07:56 PM
Holy crap, my money is on Iceman.

Mike G
04-12-2007, 08:09 PM
Holy crap, my money is on Iceman.

Did you see their other fight? Liddell took a pretty bad beating. Definitely sounds like he is working hard. There was a special on Spike about his training before the Ortiz fight. Those guys work insanely hard.

muscleup
04-12-2007, 08:19 PM
I swear everytime I see him step in the ring it looks like he is ready to go on a float trip with his signature blue/white trunks and a hint of a pot belly. Picture him holding a case of Natty Lite.

Rampage can talk about himself in the 3rd person all he wants, because when that counter over hand right lands, it's going to knock out both his personalities.

shootermcgavin7
04-12-2007, 10:01 PM
Where is a brick & mortar where one can purchase a 125lb medball?

KingJustin
04-12-2007, 11:09 PM
Where is a brick & mortar where one can purchase a 125lb medball?
Yeah, no kidding. I've never seen anything over about 30 lbs.


Everything mentioned is just typical GPP style work. It seems effective enough (I'm actually going to try a couple of these things), but I wonder if he ever weight trains at all.

Also, his diet is absolutely horrible for an elite athlete.


Liddel is a damn great fighter, but if this is his true diet/workout plan, then it's really lacking. For him, so much is made up by just having phenomenal skill. And his crazy style.

Bohizzle
04-13-2007, 06:29 AM
Yeah, no kidding. I've never seen anything over about 30 lbs.


Everything mentioned is just typical GPP style work. It seems effective enough (I'm actually going to try a couple of these things), but I wonder if he ever weight trains at all.

Also, his diet is absolutely horrible for an elite athlete.


Liddel is a damn great fighter, but if this is his true diet/workout plan, then it's really lacking. For him, so much is made up by just having phenomenal skill. And his crazy style.

Why is his diet so horrible?

Anthony
04-13-2007, 07:12 AM
KJ: a lot of elite athletes have sub par diets. Chuck's looks decent - meat & vegetables. I'd say add some nuts in there, but he probably gets a decent amount of fat from the fish he eats. Saying it's absolutely horrible without the details of macros/micros is jumping the gun.

Also, almost no competitive athlete will reveal their entire training program. What the article describes is an example that makes the average couch potato go "cool, that sounds hard."

To give you an idea ...

Hackleman has a good relationship with the folks at Crossfit, does a lot of seminars with them, posts on the forums, featured on the main site on a weekly basis. It's no secret that he has Chuck incorporating Crossfit style workouts - including lifting. But we'll probably never hear actual daily details.

Actually, there are a lot of direct and indirect ties between UFC personalities and Crossfit. Big John McCarthy runs a Crossfit gym. Randy Couture and Dan Henderson have been featured in Crossfit Journals. BJ Penn and his brother were amongst the first to be listed in the "muscleup club" on Crossfit's site, Paul Buentello has links to them, etc. And I'm sure a lot more, but again, fighters tend to be hush-hush about their training.

KingJustin
04-13-2007, 10:43 AM
Yeah, I'm sure you're right about the training.

I'm still sticking with what I said about the diet, though. No peri-workout nutrition AT ALL? Only 5 meals all day for someone training 2x/day? Choice of foods could probably be a little better (i.e. white rice)

This isn't bad for someone just starting to weight train or anything, but for an elite athlete, you would expect something flawless. I think this probably has a lot to do with why Chuck looks like he's semi-out-of-shape.

Anthony
04-13-2007, 11:05 AM
How many calories is he eating? What's the macro/micro profile?

Exactly - we have no clue based on the info we have. He could be consuming 8000 calories for all we know.

And what's bad about white rice after a workout? No worse/better than dextrose and some protein powder. ;)

bill
04-13-2007, 11:07 AM
Diet seems fair enough to me. I could only wish my diet was that good.

bill
04-13-2007, 11:08 AM
I'm sure he could have a boat load of supps thrown in also.

muscleup
04-13-2007, 11:35 AM
When they had the Spike special about him, Rachelle Leah went to his home and saw how he trained and asked about diet and such. If I remember correctly, they were eating some type of pasta and talking about how he has to consume 6Kcals/day to maintain 205lbs. I doubt Chuck is maintaining 205lbs eating only fish/chicken and vegies/rice with the type of training he does on a daily basis.

IMO no one should be trying to judge anything regarding Chuck Liddell. He's the one with the belt.

Beast
04-13-2007, 12:39 PM
Actually, there are a lot of direct and indirect ties between UFC personalities and Crossfit.
Makes sense... every MMA training clip I've watched has some of the Crossfit stuff in there that you do. The hammer on tire, etc.

KingJustin
04-13-2007, 12:43 PM
IMO no one should be trying to judge anything regarding Chuck Liddell. He's the one with the belt.
Like I have said, he's an absolutely phenomenal athlete, and a phenomenal fighter. He's really good at what he does. But, he also looks out-of-shape compared to a lot of the guys he fights against. I think that has to do with his diet.

Anthony - You're right, I have no idea of what his macro breakdown is. But I didn't bring up his poor macros as something he's doing wrong.

He's eating high GI carbs with fats, he's not eating anything pre/post/during his workouts, and he is eating only 5 meals a day. All of those are things I'd expect intermediate bodybuilders to fix to get to the next level. Of course, body composition doesn't matter a whole lot for fighters, but I'd expect them to be doing everything to get even the slightest edge.

This is however all based on what's in the article. If it's not true (which may well be the case), then that everything I've said could be wrong.

Anthony
04-13-2007, 12:57 PM
That's what I'm getting at though ... you don't know how much he's eating of any of those foods. He could be eating a spoonful of rice at each meal. I realize that's an exaggeration, but we really don't know.

And either way, I really doubt chuck is eating for composition. He may have some belly going on, but you can still see abs through it ... the guy is still quite lean.

Not picking on ya, and I'm not nuthuggin chuck, just saying "we don't know" so "we can't judge" ... :)

Isaac Wilkins
04-13-2007, 01:10 PM
Also remember that eating for performance and eating for physique are totally different things.

Chuck is an older fighter (did the article say he was 37?) and he's been throwing down for a long time. He knows how he performs depending on what he eats.

He may not perform as well if he's shredded. Some body types/people don't. Warren Sapp tried to lean down at one point and his performance dropped off. He's never been a bull-power defensive lineman, so it wasn't simply a weight issue. Jerome Bettis was more powerful and explosive at 15% body fat. When he got lean he wasn't the same running back.

Chuck may have found that getting really lean doesn't help him fight.

John04Civic
04-13-2007, 04:03 PM
I'd care less if Liddell had abs or not. He is awesome and will lay the smackdown on Rampage.

manowar669
04-14-2007, 07:23 AM
A little extra ass will help ya on the ground, but Liddell doesn't go to the ground if he can help it. Conditioning is everything to a fighter, not appearance.

Bob
04-14-2007, 08:05 AM
Where is a brick & mortar where one can purchase a 125lb medball?
I don't know about a brick-n-mortal, but you can buy them online..
http://www.d-ball.com/customorders.html
A friend purchased a 90 lber from them.. and he beats the heck out of it.

Chuck vs. Rampage should be an interesting battle.. at least, lets hope so.
The Spike show was cool when they showed Chuck huffing and puffing up/down the hill with the wheelbarrow. Hopefully, they will show Rampage training - he looks to be in as good of shape.

although Chuck doesn't have a BB'ers 6-pack, one of the BJJ guys I worked with last year had an interesting observation... watch when Chuck delivers one of his knock-out punches.. his gut is fully "pushed" out. It's like in Powerlifting, he has a belly full of air to keep his core strong, to deliver maximum force.

shootermcgavin7
04-15-2007, 12:22 AM
Bear - the reason I specified B&M is because shipping on a 100lb+ item is going to be slightly expensive.

Thanks for the link, though, it is helpful in targeting prices for medball weight ranges.

faithless
04-16-2007, 08:57 PM
Like I have said, he's an absolutely phenomenal athlete, and a phenomenal fighter. He's really good at what he does. But, he also looks out-of-shape compared to a lot of the guys he fights against. I think that has to do with his diet.

Anthony - You're right, I have no idea of what his macro breakdown is. But I didn't bring up his poor macros as something he's doing wrong.

He's eating high GI carbs with fats, he's not eating anything pre/post/during his workouts, and he is eating only 5 meals a day. All of those are things I'd expect intermediate bodybuilders to fix to get to the next level. Of course, body composition doesn't matter a whole lot for fighters, but I'd expect them to be doing everything to get even the slightest edge.

This is however all based on what's in the article. If it's not true (which may well be the case), then that everything I've said could be wrong.

Fedor Emelianenko, current heavyweight champ of Pride and arguably the greatest MMA champion of all time, looks like a slob. He's soft, has a pot belly, and looks more like the marshmellow man than a world class fighter and yet he's never lost a match and is known to have some of the heaviest hands around. And he's got great conditioning.

IMO it's guys like him that make it really difficult to judge how 'fit' one is just by looks alone.

bill
04-16-2007, 09:01 PM
Isnt' that the truth about Fedor, if didn't know him. Most would not back down. lol Bad day

roadrunner22
04-17-2007, 11:45 AM
King Justin, i was just wondering why you think Chuck's fighting style is 'crazy'?? he defends the takedown, likes to strike and waits to drop the overhand right. to me thats not crazy compared to the more unorthodox fighters such as Shonie Carter

KingJustin
04-17-2007, 12:46 PM
Shonie's style is pretty unorthodox as well, but Chuck definitely stands out.

I practice MMA, and the vast majority of what Chuck does, we simply don't practice. He doesn't box anything like a traditional boxer. He is just so damn fast and coordinated that he avoids punches entirely without blocking or even slipping. He just stays a distance every time a punch comes, and he eventually lands those shots that people just aren't used to blocking.

Not that there's anything wrong with it -- he is so damn good! It's just so much different from what most people will learn when boxing.

And yeah, I realize that MMA striking and (kick)boxing with gloves on is a lot different, but he stands out from the other MMA guys in MMA fights as well.

djreef
04-17-2007, 02:31 PM
Isn't he still a spokesman for Xiyence, or WETF that stuff is called. I'd imagine he's prob slamming a few of those protein shakes each day. I'm sure he's comped a case of the stuff per month. That would certainly help with his macro profile.

DJ

Gunshow
04-17-2007, 05:28 PM
About Chucks diet... im to lazy to actually go look at it, but just from this thread it almost looks like he's eating at maintenance...which would make sense to me because fighters arent trying to pack on tons of muscle b/c when they get close to the fight they have to make weight... but they also still want to be near the top of their weight class for a little edge... so to me eating the way he is would make perfect sense. Plus like some other guys have said he must know what works for him... hes only lost 3 fights.

roadrunner22
04-18-2007, 07:31 AM
KingJustin, Thats cool that you train MMA I've kinda wanted to get into it but I have no idea where to start looking, I love watching and studying it. Yeah maybe Chuck doesn't box like a traditional boxer but you can't really do anything "traditional" in MMA because of all the different things you have to be prepared to defend such as kicks and takedowns, am i right? thats what i think is so great about the sport, there are so many different ways to attack, defend, counter, reverse, you never know whats really gonna happen in any given fight. sure some guys have their strengths and weaknesses and things they like to do but you can never predict the outcome of a fight. just like the Serra v. GSP fight, maybe a couple people picked serra but the vast majority had GSP (as did I) but serra beat GSP at his own game and thats the beauty of MMA. :thumbup:

KingJustin
04-18-2007, 09:44 AM
About Chucks diet... im to lazy to actually go look at it, but just from this thread it almost looks like he's eating at maintenance...which would make sense to me because fighters arent trying to pack on tons of muscle b/c when they get close to the fight they have to make weight... but they also still want to be near the top of their weight class for a little edge... so to me eating the way he is would make perfect sense. Plus like some other guys have said he must know what works for him... hes only lost 3 fights.
Yeah ... I didn't mention anything about him needing to eat more/less. It's just that, imo, it didn't look like it was ideal (i.e. he doesn't eat pre/post workout).

I'll concede that I guess it doesn't really matter that much for an MMA fighter, and that perhaps Chuck fights better not being really lean.

BossHawg02
04-18-2007, 10:01 AM
37 yrs old and its like hes almost in his prime....hasnt lost a fight in years....but its UFC and I've learned you can never guarantee who will win...because there's always that chance....

Gunshow
04-18-2007, 01:25 PM
37 yrs old and its like hes almost in his prime....hasnt lost a fight in years....but its UFC and I've learned you can never guarantee who will win...because there's always that chance....

exactly. look at the only guy who ever KO'd chuck in the UFC, Jeremy Horn... he looks like a bitch and i dont think anyone gave him a chance against liddel, but he proved everyone wrong and ko'd him... maybe that was a fluke since they had a rematch and Chuck tore him a new *******, but it goes to show that anything can happen in a fight..