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chrislehr
02-24-2002, 09:28 AM
Do most of you guys drink? If yes, do you try and avoid beer? Go for other drinks?

I am a pretty big beer lover (I also drink wine every so often) - but beer is a diet killer, especially when I love darker beers like bass.

So recently, Stoli Ras and soda is pretty much what I am having, and I try to have only 3 max...

Any pointers?

Par Deus
02-24-2002, 09:52 AM
If you keep your intake to less than .8g/kg, then all you have to do is worry about calories (1 shot of vodka had 105 calories, a beer about 150).

If you go above that, it starts negatively affecting hormones.

I wrote a very in-depth article in issue 3 and 4 of Big Mf'r

http://www.avantlabs.com/big_mfr/big_mfr_magazine.htm

The second part is the one that looks at bodybuilding aspects.

NHBFAN
02-24-2002, 10:17 AM
It's my understanding that "clear" liquor, e.g. vodka, gin, light rum, etc..., is considered cleaner and is easier for your liver to process than "dark" liquors, e.g. whiskey.

Red wine in moderation is considered to be very health by many experts.

Tryska
02-24-2002, 10:25 AM
my dad would agree with you on that, nhbfan. he lectures me all the time about choosing something less crude than rum to drink. he favors vodka, gin, and scotch (which isn't clear, but whatever).

Manipul8r
02-24-2002, 12:18 PM
i drink once in a while.. Hate beer, so I stick with the shots and other shiat... Personally, if Im drinkin, and Im not training the next day, I go all out.. If your gonna drink, make it fun, **** the diet, counting calories while drinking is pointless if you ask me... Red Wine is excellent for you by the way...

Wizard
02-24-2002, 12:23 PM
I drink almost everyday but I restrict it to a glass of red wine which is ace.
As for heavy drinks consumption I usually have a drink like blue curacao or ursus once per week.
Alcohol can be described as a devil. Par's article is very good and informative.It takes a lot of time to read it but it worths it.

Princess
02-24-2002, 12:43 PM
how about not drinking at all...................... that'd be healthy

=w=
02-24-2002, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by Princess
how about not drinking at all...................... that'd be healthy

Not much fun though :alcoholic

Princess
02-24-2002, 01:08 PM
What IS fun about drinking?................................ I just don't get it

big
02-24-2002, 01:38 PM
Have you tried?

body
02-24-2002, 02:01 PM
beer once a week

Manipul8r
02-24-2002, 02:12 PM
responsible drinking is a good time...

heathj
02-24-2002, 02:52 PM
Princess don't knock it until you've tried it. It's not that the drinking is fun..it's the effects you get from it. Plus sometimes it just helps people learn to overcome their shyness...

Princess
02-24-2002, 05:44 PM
Well, the only effects I see resulting from it are negative, and I don't need to do that to my body to have a good time or overcome shyness.

All I'm saying is I find it quite ironic that most of you people who are supposed to be so concerned with your health would smoke, or drink, or any of the such. I don't care if it's one day a week, or everyday... one time could make a difference. It's the type of lifestyle you choose to lead. I just think it's rather hypocritical when many of you are so focused on the types of food you eat, but when it comes to the "weekend" it's ok to drink...

Whatever makes ya happy. That's just my opinion

David
02-24-2002, 07:12 PM
I agree with Princess.

I know this is going to be a little difficult for some of you wannabebig members who like a postworkout brewski or six. But alcohol is a very concentrated source of calories that your body just doesn't require for optimum function.

Budiak
02-24-2002, 07:48 PM
Well I dont want this to become a big moral argument, but let me say this.

If I drank, I would have gotten raped by my ex roommate about a month ago.


Thats why I dont. Not because of the calories, I know what I'm getting into. Everybody knows what they're getting into here when they drink. I dont find any of them to be hippocritical, even in this thread. They're just friggin human is all.

TreeTrunks
02-24-2002, 08:20 PM
I agree with princess! If your so concerened with the amount of calories you put in your body and the right exercises to do and so concerned with your overall physical health why drink and smoke and ruin what you have worked so hard to obtain? When I have fun I want to be able to remember what I did the previous night but thats just me.

PowerManDL
02-24-2002, 08:28 PM
Why do I drink? Well, its a complicated issue with me, but the main reason is because its fun.

I care about my health, but I also care about my psychological well-being. I've got the kind of personality that wants to do more than read, watch TV, and play on the computer. Drinking, even as much as I do, once or twice a week isn't going to cause much damage to my body.

You may not understand drinking, you may not need or want to drink. Hey, more power to you. But don't tell me that I'm destroying myself, that I'm a bad person, blah blah blah. I know I've got issues with alcohol, and I know I'd probably be a better person if I stopped drinking.

But you know what? I'd rather have fun with my life. It may sound bad to say, but I don't want to be a "better" person. I want to be me.

TreeTrunks
02-24-2002, 08:37 PM
Im not calling you a bad person. I just don't understand how you can waste what you have worked so hard on for "a good time" there are a lot of other things to do that are fun that drink. If you have to drink because it makes you feel better and thats the only way to feel better and have fun, thats not mentally and psychologically healthly. Im not totally condeming drinking, a drink every now and then its good, but I don't see getting drunk or buzzed is good for building lean muscle and/or maintaining lean muscle mass.

Shocker
02-24-2002, 08:49 PM
if drinking is so bad, then why is it that studies show non-drinkers to have shorter life spans than drinkers.
Drinking is a method of stress release, and stress is as bad or worse than the alcohol itself in my opinion. So if you cant learn how to enjoy yourself and let go every once in a while, then it isn't the calories that is going to be the problem.
Drinking is a social thing, and human beings are social animal, this is why we like to drink, to make friends and meet new people with conversation that go beyond, yes how was your day at work.
Drink in moderation - I suck at controlling my vices, by the way... dso I could use some of my own advice, but nevertheless, this is what alcohol is for and I dont think that being a non-drinker is a good thing at all.

Alex.V
02-24-2002, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by Shocker
if drinking is so bad, then why is it that studies show non-drinkers to have shorter life spans than drinkers.
Drinking is a method of stress release, and stress is as bad or worse than the alcohol itself in my opinion. So if you cant learn how to enjoy yourself and let go every once in a while, then it isn't the calories that is going to be the problem.
Drinking is a social thing, and human beings are social animal, this is why we like to drink, to make friends and meet new people with conversation that go beyond, yes how was your day at work.
Drink in moderation - I suck at controlling my vices, by the way... dso I could use some of my own advice, but nevertheless, this is what alcohol is for and I dont think that being a non-drinker is a good thing at all.

lol. You're assuming that, by default, everyone would rather be drinking in a social situation. I can unwind better without alcohol, and can have just as good a time without getting buzzed.

Drinking is not the only way to relax and let yourself go. That's just silly.

TreeTrunks
02-24-2002, 08:58 PM
I have not heard about the study where drinkers live longer than non-drinkers. Are you referring to the "french paradox" study? Im sorry if you need alcohol to make you have a good time you have to be a boring person. If you have to become mentally incoherrant to have a good time you need to take a look at yourself. "Drinking is a method of stress release" so is weightlifting, running, dancing, drag racing, working on a car etc. there are healthier alternatives out there to releive stress than getting wasted. I just don't see a valid reason to get drunk or buzzed.

PowerManDL
02-24-2002, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by TreeTrunks
Im sorry if you need alcohol to make you have a good time you have to be a boring person. If you have to become mentally incoherrant to have a good time you need to take a look at yourself.

Without getting into the issue of lifespan vs. alcohol consumption, which I don't care about anyway, I will remark on that point--

I'm not a boring person, and alcohol doesn't change my personality in any dramatic way. I don't drink to make myself "cool" or "fun." What it does for me is relax me; it also overcomes a severe shyness issue which I have. I don't necessarily become incoherent, either-- at least most nights, though I've had my share of "I did *what*?" mornings. I prefer a pleasantly buzzed state. That's not incoherent.

"Drinking is a method of stress release" so is weightlifting, running, dancing, drag racing, working on a car etc. there are healthier alternatives out there to releive stress than getting wasted. I just don't see a valid reason to get drunk or buzzed.

Those activities also don't replicate the same social atmosphere, either.

If you don't drink, great, please don't ever start. But for me, its too ingrained in my social structure. I gave up drinking for almost three months, and I was never more bored in my life.

TreeTrunks
02-24-2002, 09:13 PM
Those activities do have a social atmosphere. I mean you can always find people in the gym to talk to and socialize with. You can play basketball on some sort of rec. team and other sports. Espeically if you get into street racing it is based of getting together and having fun.

If you want to go the extreme route you can always look into those straight edge folk. There a bit too extreme though.

I don't think you're a boring person but I believe there are better ways out there to relieve stress other than drinking. And it might help you stop drinking if your around people that don't like f you played a sport on a rec. team or something like that.

Shocker
02-24-2002, 09:18 PM
to Belial and Trunks:

I am not saying become an alcoholic, but if you cant enjoy even a quiet drink then it is you who I feel sorry for.

here is an example, one of many, in which drinking pays off.

I have been a straight edger for a number of years and I have also done my rounds.

Lets take a lookk at the work situation. I am in a sales team - very political and peoples opinion of you can often mean whether you stay or go. Let's say the office goes out for drinks and you dont go because you dont drink. This is where all of the action takes place, where people form there opinions of you and if you aren't there then you wont be able to stick up for yourself.

Let's say you go and dont drink, even worse - you probably shouldn't have gone at all. You are making everyone else uncomfortable. Even in a social situation, if you go out for a drink with others and dont drink, then you are making others feel uncomfortable and dont fit in.

If I take a client to lunch for a business deal, and I dont drink but they do, then I make them feel uncomfortable so they dont drink. Strangely, because I can hold my drink, it helps me a lot with work. I can hold an intelligent conversation, be social and friendly with clients ON THEIR LEVEL (before you stat telling me how you can do this without alcohol), then close the deal. A lot of business is just about who likes you.

These are real situations, and some parts of the world really do work this way.

I appreciate your right not to drink, but seriously, you wouldn't be one of my "inner circle" of friends unless you did. The best way is to have a medium, know your limits and drink in moderation. For me moderation is once or twice a fortnight - it improves my quality of life, without these little pleasures, I might as well go shoot myself.

TreeTrunks
02-24-2002, 09:22 PM
Drink ONE drink thats fine. Its getting drunk and buzzed that is messed up. I don't drink and I am not about to shoot myself. Maybe its just me but I like to be in control if my life and have as little interference as possible.

=w=
02-24-2002, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by TreeTrunks
Im not calling you a bad person. I just don't understand how you can waste what you have worked so hard on for "a good time"

I dont feel I am wasting anything - I am not a pro budybuilder, I have no asspirations to be one and I dont mean to be a kill joy or anything of the sort but you wont be one either. And like powerman said if you dont drink hey good for you - do what you like but dont put a negative swing on me or anyone else for doing what we like.


[i]If you have to drink because it makes you feel better and thats the only way to feel better and have fun, thats not mentally and psychologically healthly. [/B]

I dont have to drink to make myself feel better or have a good time. I do have a good time while I am drinking but it is not the only way I can do so. While you are correct that needing to drink to feel better is not healthy - neither is limiting your actions till your bodybuilding goals strangle the rest of your life.


[i]Im not totally condeming drinking, a drink every now and then its good, but I don't see getting drunk or buzzed is good for building lean muscle and/or maintaining lean muscle mass. [/B]

You are 100% correct that getting crunked on the weekend is not helping me put on mass but I am more then happy with my progress in the gym and I am more then happy going out and drinking. You can do both - I like drinking and I like training so I do both, niether interfiers with the other and neither is a necessity, they are both just things I do becasue I like to do them.

Shocker
02-24-2002, 09:31 PM
so do I and of course shooting myself is metaphorical not literal. What I am saying is that this does have its place and drinking, as with drugs, can be used responsibly as a means to a greater ends. There is nothing wrong with it.

One drink, fine, I do that. But I also love going out for a party and having an outrageously rawkus time on this piss and get home at 3:00pm the next day. It just rocks, if you are comparing that to being on a basketball team or something then you are misled, because it is nothing like it.

Some people need this sort of release. The reason for me is stress relief. I have a problem with stress and so amongst other thing I drink to alleviate it and stop myself from practically exploding or having a nervous breakdown or something. Powerman has another valid reason, it helps him socialise more effectively. Another valid point he brought up is that it alleviates boredom, i.e. it's just a relaxing means of having fun.

I also lift weights (obviously) and do all sorts of sport. I also do alot of crack and heroin ;)

TreeTrunks
02-24-2002, 09:34 PM
Congrats w. Then I guess I'll never hear you talk about not making gains in the gym. You like to drink ok you like to not be in control of your body ok. I just find it ironic that the same people who critize(sp) other people on there routines and telling others whats healthy and whats not go out and get drunk and smoke whatever they can find.

I'm glad you are satisfied with your progress in the gym, I'm not and I never will be. I'm going to live me life trying to get the body I want but will never get, I know I'll never look like franco columbu but its that thinking of not being satisfied with my body that makes me workout harder.

TreeTrunks
02-24-2002, 09:37 PM
maybe its me but I find just hanging out with friends is enough for me. Drinking drugs staying out late is not fun to me. Hanging out is fine. I've done the whole staying out late and trying to have fun, I only did it because I wanted to be cool, it got me in more trouble than I hoped for.

Shocker
02-24-2002, 09:47 PM
You aren't wrong but neither is the other side of the debate.
We aren't perfect to give advice, but then I assume that you have your vices too.
Might I add that I never felt more unhealthly than the times that I spent being overly concerned about being healthy, i.e. where I was straight edge, stuck to an overly strict diet, overtrained, etc.
I have an addictive personality, if it isn't one thing it's the other, doesn't mean I dont know anything though.
Importantly, I dont think that the occasional drink is going to stop people from posting on this board. I agree that it isn't conducive to optimal bodybuilding outcomes, however there are influences which are too numerous to mention which probably affect our health too, so where do you draw the line ?

=w=
02-25-2002, 07:33 AM
Originally posted by TreeTrunks
Congrats w. Then I guess I'll never hear you talk about not making gains in the gym. You like to drink ok you like to not be in control of your body ok. I just find it ironic that the same people who critize(sp) other people on there routines and telling others whats healthy and whats not go out and get drunk and smoke whatever they can find.

I'm glad you are satisfied with your progress in the gym, I'm not and I never will be. I'm going to live me life trying to get the body I want but will never get, I know I'll never look like franco columbu but its that thinking of not being satisfied with my body that makes me workout harder.

You will never hear me complain - you may find me trying to improve based on my current situation but like I said BB is part of my life it is not my life. If I started to limit things I enjoy because they interfered with my lifting that would not be any better I would be making myself less happy (what sense does that make). And when I critique peoples routines and diets I am not being rude and trying to sound superior to them I am doing so based on my (as well as others experiences) as well as the scientific evidence that has been presented to me (and science does not change and is uninfluenced no matter how drunk I get).

And like I said if what makes you happy makes you happy then GREAT I am happy for you but dont look down on me because I dont make the same life choices as you. That is just as bad as people who think we are weird for eating oats and swigging flax.

chrislehr
02-25-2002, 08:43 AM
wow - didnt mean to start a mini war here...

I don't drink to get drunk.. But I have hung out with good friends who are NOT health consious, and when I try to not drink with them,

a: it's difficult, cause to them - sitting and talking and drinking is fun, and when you are sober, the conversation moves SLOW AND IS BORING.. It would be different if we drank AT A ballgame, or while doing something.. (shooting pool, darts, etc..) But just sitting and NOT drinking SUCKS!
b: You single yourself out. In a crowd of drinkers I have drank with a lot in the past, they find it odd, that I now order Stoli Ras and Soda instead of HEAVY Guinness or Bass... and they make a point of it.. which kind of sucks...


Yes, I can have fun not drinking, but I dont want to have to find new friends either... I guess the best bet for me is to drink LIGHT drinks and limit myself to 3 drinks a day (although, yesterday I had 4!)

Before I was working out, I would EASILY down about 10-20 drinks, and come home stumbling, be useless the next day etc.. (which also isn't fun, but I am mentioning just to show that 3 a day is a serious cutback) (also, i dont do this every day - maybe twice a week...)

BigBadAd
02-25-2002, 09:10 AM
what the hell are you guys talkin about?

why do we pack ourselves into gym 5 times a week? self improvment to make ourselves happy and to try and attract the opposite sex! we all wannabebig to look good to others. why do we go out on the weekend and drink ourselves into a stupidly drunkin state when we know that it is underminnig some of the hardwork that we put in mid-week? COZ WE WANNA GET SOME!
alcohol is good because everyone gets relaxed and has a good time. weather it be hittin on random ladies or just going out with the guys and havin a laugh!

relax and enjoy my friends!

beer + more beer+ lots of vodka = fun fun fun!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

TreeTrunks
02-25-2002, 09:20 AM
I don't look down upon you as a person I don't think getting drunk is the answer to anything no matter how rough your life is or how stressful is, there are healthier alternatives out there you just have to look and I think drinking is taking the easy road out, and if something is easy to obtain its not worth having.

Siting and talking is boring but I mean you have to be doing something whether it be watching a flick or playing video games or whatever. My opinion is if you have to add a drink to your social life in order for it to be fun you have some issues to deal with.

this isn't a war chris. Just a discussion. No one is upset, I hope. I just wish people would realize there are healthier alternatives than getting wasted. I just don't see what is so fun about losing control of your body and doing things to possibly embarass yourselves and you have no idea of what your doing and you have no memory of what you did the previous night. I just don't get it. Please explain to me why it is so fun. I mean I really don't understand it, I'm not being sarcastic in any matter either. Im :confused:

IceRgrrl
02-25-2002, 09:38 AM
There are a lot of variations on "drinking" as it seems a lot of people have pointed out.

I personally think that moderation is the key...you can enjoy a few drinks without it being a negative experience.

I like wine with dinner sometimes, I like a beer after hockey, and though I don't get drunk very often, once in awhile I like to get really silly with my friends.

Just my $0.02...

And that French Paradox study also pointed out that wine consumption was also highly correlated with higher income/education level...i.e., better health care, better wellness awareness, etc. so there were a lot of other "confounding factors" as we like to say in statistics. :)

Gyno Rhino
02-25-2002, 09:39 AM
Well, I can see both sides of the issue here.

I think many people take the bodybuilding lifestyle idea too far. It got me into trouble, and I hate to see people setting themselves up for it, too.

"I'm glad you are satisfied with your progress in the gym, I'm not and I never will be. I'm going to live me life trying to get the body I want but will never get, I know I'll never look like franco columbu but its that thinking of not being satisfied with my body"

This is a BAD attitude to have. This is the attitude I had. Then it all gets taken away, and you're left with nothing. You should always be happy with your body. Looking in the mirror and not liking what you see is a BAD thing. No, it's not "fuel for my training", it's a fuckin' bad thing. Blasts your self-esteem and ruins your outlook.

Now, getting wasted every weekend is also a bad thing. It just isn't healthy. And not being in control will cause you to do stupid **** many times.

I think getting together with friends and having a beer or two is fine. But when you get buzzed, you've gone too far. Having a shot of scotch or glass of wine before bed is cool too.

So, in summary, being an alcoholic = addicted to alcohol, bad for liver/kidneys/etc.
Devoting your ENTIRE life to looking in the mirror = addicted to self/image, bad for mind/body/soul.

Both are bad. But at least the alcoholics are sober once in a while. ;) My two cents.

Anyways, go drink your brains out if you want. It's your life. Just don't drive, eh?

David
02-25-2002, 09:44 AM
Originally posted by PowerManDL
Why do I drink? Well, its a complicated issue with me, but the main reason is because its fun.

I know I've got issues with alcohol, and I know I'd probably be a better person if I stopped drinking.



PowerMan, it sounds to me like you might be a problem drinker. If you are I just want you to know that there is help out there.

If you don't think that you are, here are some questions which will help determine if you are alcohol dependent or an alcoholic.

How often do you have a drink containing alcohol?

How many drinks containing alcohol do you have on a typical day when you are drinking?

How often do you have six or more drinks on one occasion?

How often during the last year have you found that you were not able to stop drinking once you had started?

How often during the last year have you failed to do what was normally expected from you because of drinking?

How often during the last year have you needed a first drink in the morning to get yourself going after a heavy drinking session?

How often during the last year have you had a feeling of guilt remorse after drinking?

How often during the last year have you been unable to remember what happened the night before because you had been drinking?

Have you or someone else been injured as a result of your drinking?

Has a relative or friend or a doctor or other health worker been concerned about your drinking or suggested you cut down?

Gyno Rhino
02-25-2002, 09:45 AM
I think we all know about Power + alcohol problem. But he has confronted it, and he's trying to deal with it in his own way. More power to 'em (no pun intended).

TreeTrunks
02-25-2002, 09:47 AM
It may be a bad idea for you but its not for me. BBing is a lifestyle. To some people it may be fuel for low self-esteem but its not for me, its what drives me I know what drives me, you don't. Therefore how can it be a "fukin' bad thing?"

Yeah A drink with dinner or A beer with friends os cool but the whole getting wasted thing is beyond me.

chrislehr
02-25-2002, 09:50 AM
I have taken the quiz at alcoholics-anonymous.org, and to be honest, I answered yes to more than 4... Scary - But I do not think I am a problem drinker at all... When given YES or NO, it is easy to fall trap to their quiz. If they gave 1-10 scales... then I would be fine :(

Gyno Rhino
02-25-2002, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by TreeTrunks
It may be a bad idea for you but its not for me. BBing is a lifestyle. To some people it may be fuel for low self-esteem but its not for me, its what drives me I know what drives me, you don't. Therefore how can it be a "fukin' bad thing?"

Yeah A drink with dinner or A beer with friends os cool but the whole getting wasted thing is beyond me.

I didn't used to think so when I was into it so deeply. But on the outside looking in, I can see that it is. And don't sit here and tell me what I know and don't know. I have known you for a long time, and if you want to get into personal stuff, we always can. But let's leave it at a discussion forum thread. All I'm saying is that obssessing about the way you look is not good. And that's what you're doing, obsessing about it.

TreeTrunks
02-25-2002, 09:58 AM
And don't sit here and tell me what I know and don't know

Its ok for you though right?

Its obession when you have no time for anything. When you can't sacrifice a few hours out of your life to do something. I don't obsess. I care about the way I look and I am trying to take care of my body after the years of abuse I have put on it. I don't that that qualifies as obsession. I haven't taken BBing as seriously as you did. I make health a lifestyle, if thats obsession then so be it.

Gyno Rhino
02-25-2002, 10:00 AM
I'm not gonna sit here and discuss this.

PowerManDL
02-25-2002, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by TripleP

If you don't think that you are, here are some questions which will help determine if you are alcohol dependent or an alcoholic.

How often do you have a drink containing alcohol?

1-3 times a week, depending.

How many drinks containing alcohol do you have on a typical day when you are drinking?

Again depending, with beer anywhere from 9-15, with alcohol, 3-8 according to the drink.

How often do you have six or more drinks on one occasion?

1-3 times a week.

How often during the last year have you found that you were not able to stop drinking once you had started?

If you mean during the night, never. In fact, I usually cut myself off after a certain point.

How often during the last year have you failed to do what was normally expected from you because of drinking?

Only once.

How often during the last year have you needed a first drink in the morning to get yourself going after a heavy drinking session?
In the morning? Blah-- I don't even want to move the day after, let alone drink again.

How often during the last year have you had a feeling of guilt remorse after drinking?

Never.

How often during the last year have you been unable to remember what happened the night before because you had been drinking?

The WHOLE night, or just parts? Errmmm...........

Have you or someone else been injured as a result of your drinking?

Well, besides the random "mystery injuries" like a cut, a bruise, etc, never. No one else has ever been hurt.

Has a relative or friend or a doctor or other health worker been concerned about your drinking or suggested you cut down?

Yeah, a few times here and there.

Princess
02-25-2002, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by IceRgrrl

And that French Paradox study also pointed out that wine consumption was also highly correlated with higher income/education level...i.e., better health care, better wellness awareness, etc. so there were a lot of other "confounding factors" as we like to say in statistics. :)


The Princess Paradox study just recently disproved those findings...

Red C
02-26-2002, 09:23 AM
I'm sorry but anyone who doesn't drink if it isn't for religious reasons is either
a) Overly obsessed with bodybuilding or
b) Has never had a good night out under the influence of alcohol.

One of my best friends used to drink but now he doesn't. He now regularly uses steroids and in my opinion has become obsessed with bodybuilding to the extent that he has no social life. The reasons he gave for giving up drinking was that he did not want to interfere with his progress in the gym. That's fair enough, I myself have abstained from drinking for long periods of time while I was concentrating on getting fitter and bigger etc. However he now admits that the reason he gave up drinkin is because he has never had a good time whilst being drunk. Personally, I drink once a week and get wasted, I don't see the point otherwise.
The point I am trying to make is that many people hide behind the fact that the reason that they don't drink is because they have not had any good social experiences with alcohol. In my opinion is possible to get wasted once in a while and still make good progress in the gym, therefore getting the best of both worlds.

Tryska
02-26-2002, 09:28 AM
i don't really see the point of getting wasted. actually i don't think my body processes alchol very well.

i can get by with 2-4 drinks, depending what i'm doing, but the hangover feels like crap, i'm terribly dehydrated...i wast an entire day, if i drink to the point i get drunk, i puke, and it makes my bladder hurt.

so really the ends don't justify the means for me.

Tryska
02-26-2002, 09:29 AM
but i'm also apparently one of those strange people that doesn't need ot be drunk to act stupid.

El Kelio
02-26-2002, 09:35 AM
Sometimes Tequila with Mineral Water.

jwreck
02-26-2002, 12:09 PM
"Milk is for babies. When you grow up you have to drink beer." - Arnold

gino
02-26-2002, 01:35 PM
I have one glass of wine several times a week with dinner and drink a "little excessively" usually once, sometimes twice a week. I've been "dry" for months at a time and found it to not effect my training goals at all, so I continue to do it because it's fun, I can control it, and it has not yet affected me adversely. When alcohol strains relationships or otherwise negatively impacts you, it's time to evaluate your relationship with alcohol.

One of my friends kept getting caught for drinking and driving. He's an alcoholic and couldn't stop drinking, so he quit driving. He hasn't driven in 1-1/2 years. Unbelievable...