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Jinkies
04-30-2007, 08:39 PM
After alot of thought and discussion from others I think im going to retire my powerlifting career.


I'm tired of the stress and what it's doing to my body, having to deal with injuries and watch my strength plummet is just too much for me in this stage in my life and it's not healthy to continue. I'm dealing with alot of shoulder, knee, and back problems that a 16 year old shouldn't.

Another major problem is calling yourself a powerlifting generally means you not concerned with anything other then a one rep max, i wan't functionally strength and not to have to second guess going for a run or hitting up the boxing gym without worrying about my carrer. I always figured powerlifting would get me into college and all and I'd be one of the best if I continued but maybe that can go into the future.

I will continue lifting, and lifting heavy to boot but i'm more concerned about being healthy and I don't think there is much good about powerlifting on the extreme level I was, you don't look good, don't feel good, and i'm finding out how little use my body has outside the gym. I don't need a 800 pound squat to look good, if im working 600 for reps im going to look alot better and be better off.


My new routine is going to follow something as this
Chest
Back
Legs
Shoulders
off
Repeat.
I won't be going as crazy with weight so I won't be working with with anything other then 8-10 reps on any set. I'll be boxing 3x a week to for 6 hours total and that entails alot of cardio, bagwork, and ab conditioning

Can'tstopnow
04-30-2007, 08:50 PM
Do what makes ya happy. I wish I had time for some boxing or more mma, fun stuff. Best of luck Jinkies.

Chris Rodgers
04-30-2007, 08:53 PM
You assume that other people don't look good or have functional strength from powerlifting/strength training. Maybe your training/diet had a lot to do with that. Don't blame powerlifting.


Good luck with whatever you choose to do. If you don't enjoy something, than it is smart to change to something you will.

Jinkies
04-30-2007, 09:04 PM
Get a membership at Richard Lords boxing gym, Can'tstopnow

Its south of lamar in austin and then we can spar :)

Chris- I'm not making an extreme of saying there arent benefits to just powerlifting but I have had tears in my rotator cuff and my back that have set me back, also my brother has a had double knee surgery 6 times due to genetic bone condition so when I feel pain I gotta worry.

I can't blame my diet when im eating healthy the same way I always have if not upping my calories to grow bigger and get injured and can't lift the same amount. Like I said, im still going to work with heavy weights but Im not going to stress about not squatting 700 or so on a certain leg day and have my mindframe ****ed cause of it. And i'm not throwing blame on anything, im just saying at this point in my life I shouldn't be so concerned on something thats not looking positive and try to focus my energy on bettering myself and not what my coach thinks I can win.

Chris Rodgers
04-30-2007, 09:08 PM
I agree. You make it sound like it wasn't fun for you. If your head is not in the right place, it's not the best thing to be doing. You are young, if you decide to come back later on you will already have a nasty base to work from.

deeder
04-30-2007, 11:01 PM
How come you're dealing with so many injuries?

manowar669
05-01-2007, 05:51 AM
A 16 year old is retiring? I have underwear older than that. Not busting your balls, but maybe your training is at fault if you are suffering so many injuries. Get a coach, work on your form. Maybe take a hiatus, train smarter, not harder, and come back to it. Take time off, try something else, if you miss it, come back. At 16, you have plenty of time.

smokinHawk
05-01-2007, 06:08 AM
thats ok, not everyone is tough enough for it.
id say your training wasnt ideal if your injuries are so bad. I had alot of injuries until i trained smarter and overcame them.

good luck in what you do, you are plenty young and have the rest of your life to do what you want.

Sensei
05-01-2007, 06:11 AM
A 16 year old is retiring? I have underwear older than that. Not busting your balls, but maybe your training is at fault if you are suffering so many injuries. Get a coach, work on your form. Maybe take a hiatus, train smarter, not harder, and come back to it.We've been giving him this advice almost as long as he's been here...

Jinkies
05-01-2007, 07:28 AM
Me being young is all the more reason to relax, im already years ahead most kids my age and older with muscle density and strength; I can take a break and shift my focus towards bodybuilding and conditioning and still be able to return and dominate if I feel I ever wanted too

Guido
05-01-2007, 09:01 AM
We've been giving him this advice almost as long as he's been here...This is true. If I recall correctly, he's been training for meets that occur on almost a monthly basis. That's just not normal, and would definitely lead to injuries and ultimately dissatisfaction with the sport.

Jinkies,

Maybe if you just laid off the competing so often and switched up your training more (and especially RESTED and RELAXED more), you wouldn't feel so much the way you do. But like others said, it's really up to you.

vdizenzo
05-01-2007, 09:05 AM
Me being young is all the more reason to relax, im already years ahead most kids my age and older with muscle density and strength; I can take a break and shift my focus towards bodybuilding and conditioning and still be able to return and dominate if I feel I ever wanted too

That's an arrogant statement. Also, are you going to do a bodybuilding competition because if not it's just called training (which is fine). You seem to know quite a bit at your age so I won't try and give you any advice. Best of luck to you.

Jinkies
05-01-2007, 11:11 AM
That's an arrogant statement. Also, are you going to do a bodybuilding competition because if not it's just called training (which is fine). You seem to know quite a bit at your age so I won't try and give you any advice. Best of luck to you.

That's an ignorant statement. I plan on doing a bodybuilding based routine with not so much stress on how much I can max out on but how much heavy weight I can rep. I wan't to refine my body and my health know and get away from the single rep focus that has been my priority for 3 years and see how my body and mind responds to a healthy change of pace.

As for training I think ill work with a 3-5 set of 8 and stick to the same weight and when I can complete it with the weight ill increase the next workout. Im hoping to keep my squat atleast 605 bench 405 and deadlift 600 so that i can have a chance to compete in the future, right now im weighing 250 so if i can keep those and cut 8 pounds ill still place high in the 242 competition even if my main focus is bodybuilding/boxing

Chubrock
05-01-2007, 11:21 AM
I wan't to

Want isn't spelled with a '. Won't is.

KingJustin
05-01-2007, 12:10 PM
Jinkies, I think you are sort of making a mistake. Not so much in switching from powerlifting to bodybuilding, but by just not training really smart.

You have worked really hard, and you have unbelievable genetics and potential. You really have a legitimate shot at being a world class athlete. If you choose bodybuilding over powerlifting, then fine, you'll do well in it. BUT, get yourself a real coach, or start training with some people that really know what they're doing. You'll stop injuring yourself and you'll start making gains like you were before. Train smart.

Also, you might find that you don't grow very well on higher reps. Switching to lighter lifting might be a mistake for you.

vdizenzo
05-01-2007, 12:17 PM
That's an ignorant statement. I plan on doing a bodybuilding based routine with not so much stress on how much I can max out on but how much heavy weight I can rep. I wan't to refine my body and my health know and get away from the single rep focus that has been my priority for 3 years and see how my body and mind responds to a healthy change of pace.

As for training I think ill work with a 3-5 set of 8 and stick to the same weight and when I can complete it with the weight ill increase the next workout. Im hoping to keep my squat atleast 605 bench 405 and deadlift 600 so that i can have a chance to compete in the future, right now im weighing 250 so if i can keep those and cut 8 pounds ill still place high in the 242 competition even if my main focus is bodybuilding/boxing


When someone says they are bodybuilding I deduce they will be competing. Lifting weights does not make someone a bodybuilder. It takes a lot of dedication and until someone steps on the stage I just do not consider them a bodybuilder. Kind of like just because I drive everyday it does not make me a Nascar driver. It's just a pet peeve of mine.

Jinkies
05-01-2007, 12:21 PM
My main frustration is my lack of results lately in the strength area, and trying to fix them has led to injury and even losing results.

I hit a plateau in my bench for example, im barley pressing 410 down from 485 months back. I had changed my program and upped my calories yet everytime I benched I got weaker, after 2 months of trying other stuff I switched to my old workout and when that didnt work I gave the power progression benchworkout a try it promises 40 pounds in 6 weeks increase.

Im still continually getting weaker and im on week 5 of the program and each time I workout I can't complete the workout. I really feel the only way for me ever to improve my powerlifting carrer is to quit powerlifting for a while and take it out of my mind because its growing old. I feel that if I can stop the traditonal powerlifting training methods and go for a bodybuilding style while keeping my strength I would eventually be able to pass my plateaus in time.

My ideas were train bodybuilding and cardio conditioning till around October or November, then i have 5 months to train with gear and increase my lifts about a 100 pounds or so because I feel that if I can keep my squat at atleast 600ish when I come back and train for 5 months with a suit on it will jump back up to 700 in time. Hopefully ill be in a lower weightclass too so I can compete in the 220 or 242 with a 700 squat and a 500 bench if things look well. Im going to compete in powerlifting come feb but I don't want to all around train for just a series of competition at the beginning of each year, im hoping I can try other training but when it comes inseason make improvements to still compete and win.

tangerine dream
05-01-2007, 12:24 PM
You should try getting into some type of sport. With your strength you could dominate in wrestling and your young enough to learn the skill sets. You'd prolly be a heavyweight also, so you wouldn't have to worry about cutting weight.

KingJustin
05-01-2007, 12:50 PM
Dude, get a trainer. If you're doing "increase your bench by 40 lbs" workouts, you really just aren't training right. I'm sure if you (a) let one of the really knowledgeable lifters on here give you a program, or (b) found a "real" trainer, then you would stop losing strength. You've got so much potential that to waste it by not really knowing what you're doing is really upsetting.

Jinkies
05-01-2007, 01:21 PM
I had a friend go from 480-520 with this program on his raw bench so I didn't really question it.

Workouts usually involve 5 sets for example a sample of the week 4 workout for a 420 max is

2x5 315 2x3 355 then 1x1 395 but other times it will be
1x8 285 1x6 330 then 3x5 355, pretty much rotating those variatons each week with some negative work out gradually adding weight.

Maybe ive just reached a point where my knowledge alone won't get me by and I need to find someone who can take me under their wing and bring me to the next level yet I can't find anyone willing to do that.

KingJustin
05-01-2007, 01:50 PM
How hard have you looked? Where do you live? Have you tried talking to other people on this board?

In all honesty, Jinkies, you probably have more potential than just about anyone on here. But, that doesn't mean that other people don't know a bit more or have a bit more experience. Try talking to some of these guys.

Guido
05-01-2007, 02:35 PM
I'm with Justin. The only way that someone could drop 75 lbs on their max bench is because they are seriously overtraining (bad program), or there is an outside factor such as a health problem, very poor nutrition, poor sleep habits, extreme stress, or other reasons resulting in that loss of physical strength. I've never heard of someone digressing like that without it being on of those factors.

Seriously, find yourself a good coach or mentor (or gym with a PL team that you can train with), and practice a good, healthy lifestyle and you will regain what you've lost and will surpass it. I have no doubts.

ddurkee
05-01-2007, 03:08 PM
Maybe ive just reached a point where my knowledge alone won't get me by and I need to find someone who can take me under their wing and bring me to the next level yet I can't find anyone willing to do that.

no one's willing to do that, ain't that a bitch? it probably doesn't have anything to do with the chip on your shoulder.

learn some humility and actually listen to the people that are trying to help you. otherwise, don't bother asking for help.

markdk86
05-01-2007, 03:59 PM
Jinkies you have a lot of potential, if you give up I'll slap you x100. Please seek out help and you'll make great achievements.

Sensei
05-01-2007, 04:07 PM
no one's willing to do that, ain't that a bitch? it probably doesn't have anything to do with the chip on your shoulder.

learn some humility and actually listen to the people that are trying to help you. otherwise, don't bother asking for help.
Exactly. People try to give you advice, but all they get is "Nah, that's not what I need. I know what I need."
Dizenzo offered some advice and you're response is that he's ignorant? Jeebus, if you won't listen to people that have been lifting a lot longer than you've been alive, what the hell do you expect? :bang:

Chubrock
05-01-2007, 05:18 PM
I'm still wanting to see some clean vids of these crazy ass raw squats.

vdizenzo
05-01-2007, 07:33 PM
Exactly. People try to give you advice, but all they get is "Nah, that's not what I need. I know what I need."
Dizenzo offered some advice and you're response is that he's ignorant? Jeebus, if you won't listen to people that have been lifting a lot longer than you've been alive, what the hell do you expect? :bang:

Thanks, but afterall wtf do I know about lifting?

waynedang
05-01-2007, 07:53 PM
After alot of thought and discussion from others I think im going to retire my powerlifting career.




ok. :rolleyes: good luck

Jinkies
05-01-2007, 08:19 PM
Thanks, but afterall wtf do I know about lifting?

I mean't you were ignorant about my situation, im not doubting your ability or experience. I felt like everyone was having the impression that I didn't know what I was doing and all people cared to do was tell me stuff that I have already tried.

edit: Unless you can give me a general direction and not an open ended statement then I don't want to hear it. If you say try changing your routine you better give me an explanation of how and hear out what i've already tried and work with me.

waynedang
05-01-2007, 08:23 PM
I mean't you were ignorant about my situation, im not doubting your ability or experience. I felt like everyone was having the impression that I didn't know what I was doing and all people cared to do was tell me stuff that I have already tried.

edit: Unless you can give me a general direction and not an open ended statement then I don't want to hear it. If you say try changing your routine you better give me an explanation of how and hear out what i've already tried and work with me.

Just take a break it's no big deal. You are 16 the weights will always be there. Go fishing or go chase some fat girls or something no big deal. Just work hard and have fun!

onecrazycowgirl
05-01-2007, 08:37 PM
Just take a break it's no big deal. You are 16 the weights will always be there. Go fishing or go chase some fat girls or something no big deal. Just work hard and have fun!


The fatties need love, too!

Sensei
05-01-2007, 08:43 PM
I felt like everyone was having the impression that I didn't know what I was doing and all people cared to do was tell me stuff that I have already tried.

edit: Unless you can give me a general direction and not an open ended statement then I don't want to hear it. If you say try changing your routine you better give me an explanation of how and hear out what i've already tried and work with me.
Damn, why don't you stop being a jerk? People are trying to help you.

How about telling us what kind of routines, splits, templates, programs you've done, for how long, and the gains/results you had with them, and then we'll probably be able to suggest things that you find more constructive?

Jinkies
05-01-2007, 08:48 PM
Damn, why don't you stop being a jerk? People are trying to help you.

How about telling us what kind of routines, splits, templates, programs you've done, for how long, and the gains/results you had with them, and then we'll probably be able to suggest things that you find more constructive?


I have dealt with alot of bull**** with more than half of everything I posted, it seems majority of people are just trying to take a snag at me so when I see someone who I don't recognize post something I don't find helpfull I tend to get angry. If your really interested in helping me I will chart it all out and we can make steps but right now my interest is trying to win my first amateur fight

Chubrock
05-01-2007, 08:58 PM
I have dealt with alot of bull**** with more than half of everything I posted, it seems majority of people are just trying to take a snag at me so when I see someone who I don't recognize post something I don't find helpfull I tend to get angry. If your really interested in helping me I will chart it all out and we can make steps but right now my interest is trying to win my first amateur fight


I personally hope you get knocked out. It'll bring your big ass ego back down to earth.

KingJustin
05-01-2007, 08:58 PM
Yeah, chart it out.

Have you done Westside? It seems like an obvious-enough solution.

Sensei
05-01-2007, 09:14 PM
If your really interested in helping me I will chart it all out and we can make steps but right now my interest is trying to win my first amateur fightRegardless of whether anyone is going to help you or not, it would be a good first step towards improving your own training...

vdizenzo
05-01-2007, 09:32 PM
I mean't you were ignorant about my situation, im not doubting your ability or experience. I felt like everyone was having the impression that I didn't know what I was doing and all people cared to do was tell me stuff that I have already tried.

edit: Unless you can give me a general direction and not an open ended statement then I don't want to hear it. If you say try changing your routine you better give me an explanation of how and hear out what i've already tried and work with me.

I don't have to give you a routine. That's why I post a journal. As far as I am concerned you are looking for attention. Look at me, I'm retiring, tell me to stop. I have been around a while and have accomplished a little in this sport :rolleyes: I have also seen guys like you come and go and somehow the sport rolls on.

PoutineEh
05-01-2007, 10:06 PM
sounds like you could use a long break from lifting weights in general. sounds like you are overtrained badly which have put you in a bad state of mind.

chris mason
05-02-2007, 05:34 AM
Jinkies, if you want to avoid all of the injuries and so on, all you need do is train with stricter form and use less weight. There is no need to go balls to the wall every time you train.

deeder
05-02-2007, 07:12 AM
One thing that no one has mentionned yet is that it sounds like you're treating powerlifting as concentrating on only the three lifts. That all your training should be geared to them...

I think that one major reason you're probably facing alot of injuries is that you're avoiding all other exercise like the plague. Go for a run, go box, whatever... Get yourself in shape. You can't just lift and be healthy. Do some gpp work if you like it...

Paul Stagg
05-02-2007, 10:31 AM
I don't have to give you a routine. That's why I post a journal. As far as I am concerned you are looking for attention. Look at me, I'm retiring, tell me to stop. I have been around a while and have accomplished a little in this sport :rolleyes: I have also seen guys like you come and go and somehow the sport rolls on.

Indeed. Although it's not all that unusual for someone with Jinkies age and remarkable physical gifts to do this.

Jinkies -

For as long as you have been posting here, people have been trying to help you. You have been told you are too young for prohormones/steriods. You ignored that advice and used them. You have been told to correct your form, you ignored that advice. You have been told not to compete as often, you ignored it (and based on what you consider a full squat, competing where you did was doing even more harm by saying bad lifts are good.) You've been told to get medical advice and treatment, but no, you ignored that as well.

So now you tell us you're hurt, and you can't go on.

Fine.

I think Chris R has the right advice. Stop for a while. Back off the lifting, and find something else to do... frankly, with your physical gifts (no one denies you are freaky big and strong), you can excel at any sport you pick where strength and size are benefits. Go talk to a track coach about throwing. Get on the football team. Wrestle. SOMETHING.

Something else.

Get a little more well rounded with your athletic development, and when you are 25 you'll hold records.

If you want to get back into powerlifting, you have to do two things:

Train with powerlifters (not other kids, but guys who compete in the APF, USAPL, USPF, etc)
Compete in a sanctioned meet. Not some high school thing, but the real deal.

Now you got your attention, and we'll end it here.