Protein sweetners...um all bad?

[Wild Cat McCane]

Using wikipidea, and other stuff I was looking up what sweetners are bad. yes I know wiki isn't great, but....

So what ON and AtLarge use is aspartame, it isn't that great. Infact in europe they are trying ban it right now....

but it is suppose to be better then acesulfame K, which is what Dymatize Nutrition Elite protein uses....

WTF? anyone else concerned. It is a concern when you are having 3-4 servings a day 7 days a week ya know?

[Belial]

They're not trying to ban it. There's nothing wrong with any of them.

And no, I don't think anybody with any education in the field is remotely concerned.

[Holto]

So what ON and AtLarge use is aspartame?

Where do they use aspartame?

[skeeterx15]

http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20060404/aspartame-cancer-link-refuted

http://diabetes.webmd.com/diabetes-deal-with-artificial-sweeteners

You're fine. :clap:

[Wild Cat McCane]

lesson learned i guess. no more wiki for me.

Nitrean has it for the sweeter i believe.

I suggest you all look up the wiki just to see what was posted. just for fun.

[Wild Cat McCane]

hold up there dogs. this study you posted was with the consumption of 2 sodas a day. as I posted in the beginning...what about 3-4 shakes a day plus other foods that we consume...

[Belial]

Unknown. To my knowledge, there is a TREMENDOUS gap in dosage range between any theorized toxicity versus the dosage the average person would take in in a single day. (We're talking multiple grams per kilogram here, versus 2.5-5 milligrams per kilogram in the average American's diet.. source: http://www.ehponline.org/members/2005/8711/8711.pdf , linked from that wiki)

Remember, as a rough guideline, it's 200 time sweeter than sugar. Sounds arbitrary. Probably is. But, loosely speaking, you'd need 1/200th the amount per serving to achieve a given level of sweetness.

So figure, in a 12 ounce soda, there are what, 35g of sugar. You'd need 175mg of aspartame to equal that sweetness. Even a whole case of diet coke a day is 4 grams of aspartame. For a 105 kg male, that's 38mg/kg. To equal the LOWEST DOSE (1g/kg) even LOOSELY associated with any carcinogenicity in studies (study doses ranged from 1g/kg to 8g/kg), I would have to drink around 26 cases of diet coke a day.

In which case, the aspartame would probably be the least of my worries.

Now, going outside diet coke... say I was somehow taking in 1 gram of aspartame per kilogram of bodyweight. 105 grams. That's a lot of sweetener. Would anyone use that much sweetener? Well, how much sugar would that equate to, if I were to be living life that, uh, sweetly?

That's 21 kilograms of sugar.

I somehow doubt your protein shakes and oatmeal need to be THAT sweet.

[BFGUITAR]

Unknown. To my knowledge, there is a TREMENDOUS gap in dosage range between any theorized toxicity versus the dosage the average person would take in in a single day. (We're talking multiple grams per kilogram here, versus 2.5-5 milligrams per kilogram in the average American's diet.. source: http://www.ehponline.org/members/2005/8711/8711.pdf , linked from that wiki)

Remember, as a rough guideline, it's 200 time sweeter than sugar. Sounds arbitrary. Probably is. But, loosely speaking, you'd need 1/200th the amount per serving to achieve a given level of sweetness.

So figure, in a 12 ounce soda, there are what, 35g of sugar. You'd need 175mg of aspartame to equal that sweetness. Even a whole case of diet coke a day is 4 grams of aspartame. For a 105 kg male, that's 38mg/kg. To equal the LOWEST DOSE (1g/kg) even LOOSELY associated with any carcinogenicity in studies (study doses ranged from 1g/kg to 8g/kg), I would have to drink around 26 cases of diet coke a day.

In which case, the aspartame would probably be the least of my worries.

Now, going outside diet coke... say I was somehow taking in 1 gram of aspartame per kilogram of bodyweight. 105 grams. That's a lot of sweetener. Would anyone use that much sweetener? Well, how much sugar would that equate to, if I were to be living life that, uh, sweetly?

That's 21 kilograms of sugar.

I somehow doubt your protein shakes and oatmeal need to be THAT sweet.

Wrong :D :lurk: *eats a bag of sugar*

[chris mason]

You forgot to whine about the Sucralose.

Wildcat, why do you feel compelled to **** with us?

I have no idea why I have as of yet to ban you.

Now, go do a Pubmed search of either sweetener and you will see they are both considered to be quite safe by anyone other than those who think everything will kill them (read: paranoid individuals).

[chris mason]

Unknown. To my knowledge, there is a TREMENDOUS gap in dosage range between any theorized toxicity versus the dosage the average person would take in in a single day. (We're talking multiple grams per kilogram here, versus 2.5-5 milligrams per kilogram in the average American's diet.. source: http://www.ehponline.org/members/2005/8711/8711.pdf , linked from that wiki)

Remember, as a rough guideline, it's 200 time sweeter than sugar. Sounds arbitrary. Probably is. But, loosely speaking, you'd need 1/200th the amount per serving to achieve a given level of sweetness.

So figure, in a 12 ounce soda, there are what, 35g of sugar. You'd need 175mg of aspartame to equal that sweetness. Even a whole case of diet coke a day is 4 grams of aspartame. For a 105 kg male, that's 38mg/kg. To equal the LOWEST DOSE (1g/kg) even LOOSELY associated with any carcinogenicity in studies (study doses ranged from 1g/kg to 8g/kg), I would have to drink around 26 cases of diet coke a day.

In which case, the aspartame would probably be the least of my worries.

Now, going outside diet coke... say I was somehow taking in 1 gram of aspartame per kilogram of bodyweight. 105 grams. That's a lot of sweetener. Would anyone use that much sweetener? Well, how much sugar would that equate to, if I were to be living life that, uh, sweetly?

That's 21 kilograms of sugar.

I somehow doubt your protein shakes and oatmeal need to be THAT sweet.


Thanks Alex.

[Wild Cat McCane]

I pointed out ON uses it too. I am not compelled to ****with you. I am just asking a simple question. Seems reasonable to me, no? You are the one who picked having an open thread on the net.

Thank you for who ever posted that up. wiki is apparently way the hell off. And it scared me for a second. I am dumb. :thumbup:

I think atlarge is great, I was just pointing out the ingredients. I would buy nitrean in a second if the prices was different. So if that day ever comes lets just make nice so you can get my business.:cool:

[ddegroff]

Unknown. To my knowledge, there is a TREMENDOUS gap in dosage range between any theorized toxicity versus the dosage the average person would take in in a single day. (We're talking multiple grams per kilogram here, versus 2.5-5 milligrams per kilogram in the average American's diet.. source: http://www.ehponline.org/members/2005/8711/8711.pdf , linked from that wiki)

Remember, as a rough guideline, it's 200 time sweeter than sugar. Sounds arbitrary. Probably is. But, loosely speaking, you'd need 1/200th the amount per serving to achieve a given level of sweetness.

So figure, in a 12 ounce soda, there are what, 35g of sugar. You'd need 175mg of aspartame to equal that sweetness. Even a whole case of diet coke a day is 4 grams of aspartame. For a 105 kg male, that's 38mg/kg. To equal the LOWEST DOSE (1g/kg) even LOOSELY associated with any carcinogenicity in studies (study doses ranged from 1g/kg to 8g/kg), I would have to drink around 26 cases of diet coke a day.

In which case, the aspartame would probably be the least of my worries.

Now, going outside diet coke... say I was somehow taking in 1 gram of aspartame per kilogram of bodyweight. 105 grams. That's a lot of sweetener. Would anyone use that much sweetener? Well, how much sugar would that equate to, if I were to be living life that, uh, sweetly?

That's 21 kilograms of sugar.

I somehow doubt your protein shakes and oatmeal need to be THAT sweet.

I talk to people all the time about aspartame. I knew it was a huge amount that could cause cancer. BUT that's more than I would have ever thought. Thanks.

[Beast]

Using wikipidea
Here's a tip: wikipedia isn't a very credible source of anything. For cryin out loud, every article can be edited by anyone with Internet access.

[razorcut]

:withstupi :withstupi :withstupi :withstupi :withstupi

I never read wiki links. They're usually worthless.

[the doc]

but if i found it on the internets it must be true!

[hithegym7footer]

don't want to cause anymore drama but why did NO Explode and Cell mass stop using aspartame then and why do products list things as aspartame free? as far as i knew there was a study that said it can be harmful. sorry i dont have a link or anything to that. but if it isn't harmful than why r companies trying to show that their products don't contain aspartame?

[chris mason]

don't want to cause anymore drama but why did NO Explode and Cell mass stop using aspartame then and why do products list things as aspartame free? as far as i knew there was a study that said it can be harmful. sorry i dont have a link or anything to that. but if it isn't harmful than why r companies trying to show that their products don't contain aspartame?


The answer is simple, due to paranoia like what you see from Wildcat. There is a LOT of misinformation in this world and the net only makes it worse in some ways.

Chris

[Holto]

don't want to cause anymore drama but why did NO Explode and Cell mass stop using aspartame then and why do products list things as aspartame free? as far as i knew there was a study that said it can be harmful. sorry i dont have a link or anything to that. but if it isn't harmful than why r companies trying to show that their products don't contain aspartame?

Perhaps for people like me that are absolutely nauseated whenever they consume it?

I think it's a simple as the fact that there are newer sweetners that TASTE better than aspartame. The companies that use sucralose or Ace K from a culinary standpoint think it might be worth it from a marketing standpoint to claim there is no aspartame in their product. Most people are too lazy to actually learn about it so they will just assume it's bad for them.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

Perhaps for people like me that are absolutely nauseated whenever they consume it?Yeah, sweeteners mess up my stomach pretty bad too. Maybe that's why I can't drink Muscle Milk.

[Holto]

Yeah, sweeteners mess up my stomach pretty bad too. Maybe that's why I can't drink Muscle Milk.

My stomach is actually fine but I feel like I've been kicked in the head. Same with MSG.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

^^

I get headaches as well. But I also get the nuclear stomach aches. =\ I try to avoid anything with artificial sweeteners. I can't pinpoint exactly which ones do it. Maybe I should try them one at a time or something.