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RhodeHouse
05-21-2007, 02:51 PM
This is for anyone who is interested in getting bigger and stronger. This is inspired by the douche bags from Team Stocky, in NJ. They probably live about 1-2 hours away and are to scared to make a trip for fear of exposing the fact that they are weak, little girls. (No offense to the ladies that train hard and post here) For those of you who pay a whole ton of money to go to seminars, you could have a free bench seminar every Friday at 6pm at Southside Barbell. And, for those of you who don't have a great facility to train in, Southside is the answer. The best way to learn is to lift with and around guys that are stronger than you are. If you live within 3 hours of Milford, CT, and you are really serious about training and getting better, this trip should be made every week. We have guys that come from all over CT. I used to travel 2 hours, from Springfield, MA, before I moved to CT. Big Rob travels about 1 1/2 hours to train on Fridays. E-bol, Dirty Dan Durkee, and Big Red all travel about an hour as well. Vincent, as stated in another thread, used to travel 3 hours to Glens Falls, NY, to train with Bill Crawford on Saturdays, and 2 hours to Springfield, MA to train with Glen Chabot on Wednesdays. If you want to learn a few things, train in a great atmosphere with guys that have the same goals as you do, you really need to make the trip. There are multiple benches going from 5-9 pm, with all the help you might need to get your bench up. It doesn't matter how strong you are. There's no minimum bench requirement. The only thing we tell you is watch everyone, listen, and lift. And, for $12, you get a 4 hour seminar. Pretty good deal to me.

Isaac Wilkins
05-21-2007, 02:59 PM
I'm going to echo this. I'm nowhere near there, so I won't be making any kind of regular trip. However, HomeYield and I do venture up to South Carolina Barbell (not as often as we'd like) to train around those boys. The only way you get better is to train around stronger people. HomeYield and I probably have more gym know-how and science behind us than most of the guys on this board. We still learn a ****load every time we go up there. Relative to some of those lifters, we're babies, both as far as gym knowledge and definitely strength.

Be around people stronger than you. It'll only make you better. This isn't an ego sport, and if you can't get that through your head then get the **** out of it.


Edit: Every couple of years I'll end up driving through CT to get home (Maine) from here (SC). You can bet I'll be trying to take Rhodes up on this offer when I do.

WillKuenzel
05-21-2007, 03:14 PM
I thought I used to train with some strong guys. Since I've been up to South Carolina Barbell in Columbia, SC it's redefined my definition of strong. Marc Bartley and those boys up at SCB teach me something new each time. And I've only gone to mostly their DE lower body days. I try to go up (about 2 hour drive) once a month when time (and the wife ;) ) allow. Every single time I go, it's worth the trip ten times over. There's nothing quite like training with somebody that makes you feel at home but yet, warms up with your max.

If I were any closer to any other gyms I'd make the trip there as well. I've been lifting and in the game for a little while but you can never stop learning. Rhodes, if you were further south or if I were further north, I'd take you up on the offer.

Alex.V
05-21-2007, 03:55 PM
HomeYield and I probably have more gym know-how and science behind us than most of the guys on this board.


pfft.



:smoke:


Make a deal like this for the one in SC, and I'm all over it.

WillKuenzel
05-21-2007, 04:00 PM
Alex, you can come down to Columbia any weekend. We'll drive up from Charleston and lift in Columbia.

vdizenzo
05-21-2007, 04:03 PM
Seriously, I have spent countless hours driving to accumulate benching knowledge, not to mention some pl and strongman stuff. Anyway, there is an open invitation to guys from here to come to Southside. Just shoot me a pm, it's well worth the drive.

waynedang
05-21-2007, 05:44 PM
Hell if it was a little closer I would make the trip! You can always learn something!

chris mason
05-21-2007, 06:06 PM
Cool invitation! A bit grumpy, but cool! I may have to take a road trip to CT in the not too distant future.

Chris

vdizenzo
05-21-2007, 06:14 PM
Cool invitation! A bit grumpy, but cool! I may have to take a road trip to CT in the not too distant future.

Chris

Rhodes is always grumpy. He is especially grumpy this week because he was out of town and missed Big Rob's man love.

SFTS
05-21-2007, 06:28 PM
Is there any Texas barbell? Conn is a bit far...like 2 days

Isaac Wilkins
05-21-2007, 07:17 PM
pfft.



:smoke:


Make a deal like this for the one in SC, and I'm all over it.

Come on down, lil' buddy!

Killa Kurt
05-21-2007, 08:03 PM
This is for anyone who is interested in getting bigger and stronger. This is inspired by the douche bags from Team Stocky, in NJ. They probably live about 1-2 hours away and are to scared to make a trip for fear of exposing the fact that they are weak, little girls. (No offense to the ladies that train hard and post here) For those of you who pay a whole ton of money to go to seminars, you could have a free bench seminar every Friday at 6pm at Southside Barbell. And, for those of you who don't have a great facility to train in, Southside is the answer. The best way to learn is to lift with and around guys that are stronger than you are. If you live within 3 hours of Milford, CT, and you are really serious about training and getting better, this trip should be made every week. We have guys that come from all over CT. I used to travel 2 hours, from Springfield, MA, before I moved to CT. Big Rob travels about 1 1/2 hours to train on Fridays. E-bol, Dirty Dan Durkee, and Big Red all travel about an hour as well. Vincent, as stated in another thread, used to travel 3 hours to Glens Falls, NY, to train with Bill Crawford on Saturdays, and 2 hours to Springfield, MA to train with Glen Chabot on Wednesdays. If you want to learn a few things, train in a great atmosphere with guys that have the same goals as you do, you really need to make the trip. There are multiple benches going from 5-9 pm, with all the help you might need to get your bench up. It doesn't matter how strong you are. There's no minimum bench requirement. The only thing we tell you is watch everyone, listen, and lift. And, for $12, you get a 4 hour seminar. Pretty good deal to me.

OR you can load up your interenet explorer, and go on a couple of lifting sites and get all the "exclusive tips" right on your computer rather than paying $12 to let someone else tell you them.

So is this inspired by us, or money? Be honest.

EDIT: Time is Money, I don't have either to be wasting on you clowns on a friday night for a 4 hour commute to bench.

vdizenzo
05-21-2007, 08:42 PM
OR you can load up your interenet explorer, and go on a couple of lifting sites and get all the "exclusive tips" right on your computer rather than paying $12 to let someone else tell you them.

So is this inspired by us, or money? Be honest.

EDIT: Time is Money, I don't have either to be wasting on you clowns on a friday night for a 4 hour commute to bench.

$12 is the guest fee for the gym (we do not own the gym nor do we see a penny of the fee--it is a harcore gym with few members and that is the reason for the rate. We pay it because it is worth it). I charge nothing. I have had lifters offer me money and I never accept. Nobody charged me when I got their help. If you ever came down I guarantee you would hit pr's that night. This is not a rip, seriously, your deadlift form is brutal. If that's an example of the help you get from credible lifters, they are not helping. You are capable of better.

We have offered this to many other lifters on other forums and have been taken up on it. This is not something new.

Bako Lifter
05-21-2007, 08:47 PM
I wish some of you big guys lived in California. :(

Isaac Wilkins
05-22-2007, 04:11 AM
OR you can load up your interenet explorer, and go on a couple of lifting sites and get all the "exclusive tips" right on your computer rather than paying $12 to let someone else tell you them.

So is this inspired by us, or money? Be honest.

EDIT: Time is Money, I don't have either to be wasting on you clowns on a friday night for a 4 hour commute to bench.

Wow, son. Now we know you're full of ****.


I can read all about being a great pitcher. I'd still like to read and then go practice with Curt Schilling. I bet I'd pick something up.

JustinASU
05-22-2007, 06:29 AM
I'm going to echo this. I'm nowhere near there, so I won't be making any kind of regular trip. However, HomeYield and I do venture up to South Carolina Barbell (not as often as we'd like) to train around those boys. The only way you get better is to train around stronger people. HomeYield and I probably have more gym know-how and science behind us than most of the guys on this board. We still learn a ****load every time we go up there. Relative to some of those lifters, we're babies, both as far as gym knowledge and definitely strength.

Be around people stronger than you. It'll only make you better. This isn't an ego sport, and if you can't get that through your head then get the **** out of it.


I need to get down to SC Barbell again one of these days. I might even drag Rick with me. I swear to God I felt stronger when lifting there. ;)

Bob
05-22-2007, 06:39 AM
Great offer RhodeHouse.. I gotta couple of questions if you don't mind..

Is Friday night a DE BP or ME BP session? Or a mixture?
Do you help us raw lifters too?? :)
When are ME SQ and DL nights?
Does the invite hold for those too?

I'm just over 2.25 hrs away.. and I think I can convince the wifey & kids for a once a month outing...

WillKuenzel
05-22-2007, 07:15 AM
OR you can load up your interenet explorer, and go on a couple of lifting sites and get all the "exclusive tips" right on your computer rather than paying $12 to let someone else tell you them.

So is this inspired by us, or money? Be honest.

EDIT: Time is Money, I don't have either to be wasting on you clowns on a friday night for a 4 hour commute to bench.You can talk a big game but it's something completely different to be in the gym with somebody that's stronger than you. The $12 is the gym pass. It doesn't go into his pocket.

You'll never learn anything by thinking you know everything. I can guarantee you don't know as much as you'd like to think you do. Or have actually lifted in the presence of somebody that's truly strong. Your attitude would be totally different.

Jonah
05-22-2007, 08:48 AM
OR you can load up your interenet explorer, and go on a couple of lifting sites and get all the "exclusive tips" right on your computer rather than paying $12 to let someone else tell you them.

So is this inspired by us, or money? Be honest.

EDIT: Time is Money, I don't have either to be wasting on you clowns on a friday night for a 4 hour commute to bench.

You're a stupid person. Stupid people piss me off. Top powerlifting gyms are few and far between. As someone who lifts with this crew I will vouch they don't make a cent. South Side is a commercial gym owned by someone else. In fact if I sat down and added up the value of the amount of equipment and time I received from these guys it would probably be the price of a ford escort.

Oh FWIW, I own videos from Westside and Elite Fitness I got off of Ebay and have a 2' binder filled with articles from the internet. No matter how many hours I spend with that material (and they do help) nothing is as good as being in a gym with people stronger than you, who are motivated as hell, and WILLING to teach FOR FREE. Even the people who put the material on the internet say that. That's what this sport is about.

Alex.V
05-22-2007, 09:25 AM
Did I miss something, or did a 23 year old kid with just enough experience to get himself in trouble, who barely pushes four plates on the bench (and a little less on his squat) just call Rhodes et. al. a bunch of "clowns"?

You gotta be ****ting me.

Con
05-22-2007, 09:36 AM
Maybe my reading comp. is off this morning, but the gym is in Milford, CT right?
Could you post an actual address, so I could map quest it, to see how far I am.

Thanks.

Isaac Wilkins
05-22-2007, 09:47 AM
I wish some of you big guys lived in California. :(


http://www.diablobarbell.com/

http://www.myspace.com/supertraining

Keoni
05-22-2007, 09:57 AM
Wow!
What set all this off? Was the original post a response to something specific? What brought this on?

You're inviting a complete stranger to come and lift with you? But you insult him and call him names and expect him to take you up on your "hospitality"?

Chubrock
05-22-2007, 10:01 AM
Read the belt thread.

WestsideWarrior
05-22-2007, 10:02 AM
Wow!
What set all this off? Was the original post a response to something specific? What brought this on?

You're inviting a complete stranger to come and lift with you? But you insult him and call him names and expect him to take you up on your "hospitality"?

Keoni, this started in a discussion over a belt issue.

Not inviting, challenging.

Keoni
05-22-2007, 10:40 AM
Read the belt thread.


Keoni, this started in a discussion over a belt issue.

Not inviting, challenging.

Thanks. I was wondering what this all started from.

rmccray
05-22-2007, 01:32 PM
did you call ME a clown or is this between you and rhodes???

pberge
05-22-2007, 02:28 PM
I have to add my experience to this thread. When Eric Cressey still trained at South Side he invited me down on a Tuesday night last year. I sat in traffic for an hour and a half to get there and got in a quick bench workout with Eric and Tony. G.

I had never benched with chains, or done board presses before I walked into South Side. I got a ton of help with my form and really learned more in 1 hour than I have from reading who knows how many articles on the web.

This is not your average gym. It's not pretty, the weights aren't shiny any new, there is no cardio equipment or crappy dance music playing in the background. This is as hardcore as you can get. If you are really serious about moving some weight, I encourage everyone within a reasonable distance to take the trip.

This article sums it up better than I ever could.
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/southsidegym.htm

TommyBoy
05-22-2007, 02:42 PM
I live in Canada, but I'll make the drive to see a

Harris vs. Kurt vs. Dizenzo steel cage death match.....no belts allowed!!!

JHarris
05-22-2007, 03:39 PM
I live in Canada, but I'll make the drive to see a

Harris vs. Kurt vs. Dizenzo steel cage death match.....no belts allowed!!!

Ya know, all I asked for, over and over, is that when people argue on here they do so in a more constructive way than just stating 'I'm stronger, so listen to me'. I didn't call anyone weak. I in fact complimented a few people. I specifically stated that belts in powerlifting make sense. But overall, and I'm repeating this so no one misses my main point, if there is disagreement on a topic, I'd rather see points justified more and have people state their own strength/history/ability less.

I think this is a very generous invitation by Rhodehouse, honestly. If I had any desire to engage in powerlifting or get stronger in the 3 lifts, and if I lived closer than Baltimore, I'd definitely go. There is nothing better than personal training, no question.

Jay

vdizenzo
05-22-2007, 03:40 PM
This article sums it up better than I ever could.
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/southsidegym.htm


Damn that's an old article.

vdizenzo
05-22-2007, 03:57 PM
Ya know, all I asked for, over and over, is that when people argue on here they do so in a more constructive way than just stating 'I'm stronger, so listen to me'. I didn't call anyone weak. I in fact complimented a few people. I specifically stated that belts in powerlifting make sense. But overall, and I'm repeating this so no one misses my main point, if there is disagreement on a topic, I'd rather see points justified more and have people state their own strength/history/ability less.


Jay

I know this is directed towards me and I am just sick of your mouth. Damn boy, you would be thrown off our crew in a day anyway. When I trained with Crawford and Chabot you just did what you were told. They would not tolerate questions. We have had a few guys who just wanted to know too much and train too little. At first I would just start yessing them to death, then eventually I would just not bother with them at all. Guess what, they would make little to no progress and were driven out. What about those who listened and followed the program, they continue to hit pr's at crazy rates.

I am strong and I am proud of my accomplishments and I am not going to take crap off of the likes of you. I have some advice for you, "Lift weights not books!" You don't have pick things apart and pull out the slide rule to be strong.

vdizenzo
05-22-2007, 03:58 PM
I live in Canada, but I'll make the drive to see a

Harris vs. Kurt vs. Dizenzo steel cage death match.....no belts allowed!!!

I'm not a fighter, that's why I have Big Rob.

TommyBoy
05-22-2007, 04:23 PM
Ok, you can be big rob's manager, kinda like Mr. Fuji.

waynedang
05-22-2007, 04:35 PM
Some guys just need to check their ego at the door. I have all the vids and read most of the articles and it helped some but I have been to two MM seminars and came away with more knowledge than I could have ever gotten from the net. I was going to make the trip to Mecca this year to train with S but I have a new baby on the way (maybe next year). If you think you know it all you are wrong. I train with guys that sometimes drive an hour and a half or more just to bench. Why? Because they want to be the best not just the best at the local gym! I train with some really strong guys but I am not afraid to learn from someone else either. I plan on going to Iowa some time to learn from RobL and Carp. That is 4+ hours just to bench! Sure I could stay home and lift but if I can learn one thing that helps me or that I can pass on to my team I will do it! This is a great chance for some of you so take it!


Wayne

JHarris
05-22-2007, 04:40 PM
I know this is directed towards me and I am just sick of your mouth. Damn boy, you would be thrown off our crew in a day anyway. When I trained with Crawford and Chabot you just did what you were told. They would not tolerate questions. We have had a few guys who just wanted to know too much and train too little. At first I would just start yessing them to death, then eventually I would just not bother with them at all. Guess what, they would make little to no progress and were driven out. What about those who listened and followed the program, they continue to hit pr's at crazy rates.

I am strong and I am proud of my accomplishments and I am not going to take crap off of the likes of you. I have some advice for you, "Lift weights not books!" You don't have pick things apart and pull out the slide rule to be strong.

Okay, Vdiz. Im glad you are strong, and I am glad you are proud of your accomplishments. I'm sure you lift a lot of weight, and I'm sure you have lots of good pointers for helping others do it.

I'm glad your environment of no questions and doing what you were told worked for you. Personally as an athlete, I need to understand why motions work because this allows me to internalize them better. My coaches have always been generous with their information, and it has made me a much more efficient, explosive lifter, capable of being able to recognize and fix my flaws faster. Not everyone is like this, and I admit that.

That being said, if two people disagree on this board, I'd still like to see the two sides discuss it as opposed to just stating 'I'm right beause I lift more' - 'No, I'm right because I lift more'. It would be more constructive to explain your point of view in that situation which happens to arise frequently. That's what I've been trying to say the whole time. That's the main point.

Jay

vdizenzo
05-22-2007, 04:50 PM
Okay, Vdiz. Im glad you are strong, and I am glad you are proud of your accomplishments. I'm sure you lift a lot of weight, and I'm sure you have lots of good pointers for helping others do it.

I'm glad your environment of no questions and doing what you were told worked for you. Personally as an athlete, I need to understand why motions work because this allows me to internalize them better. My coaches have always been generous with their information, and it has made me a much more efficient, explosive lifter, capable of being able to recognize and fix my flaws faster. Not everyone is like this, and I admit that.

That being said, if two people disagree on this board, I'd still like to see the two sides discuss it as opposed to just stating 'I'm right beause I lift more' - 'No, I'm right because I lift more'. It would be more constructive to explain your point of view in that situation which happens to arise frequently. That's what I've been trying to say the whole time. That's the main point.

Jay


I know your main point, your sub point, your prepoint, and every other point you were saying. It's great that you have people explain things over and over to you. I'm a special education teacher, I do it all day long. If I don't feel I have to or want to regarding training I won't. I give back plenty. I don't owe anyone anything. I do because I want to.

Now go on to your next ten paragraph diatribe making point after point until you have talked in a circle about your deep rooted need to have things explained. Or you could simply STFU!

JHarris
05-22-2007, 05:00 PM
I know your main point, your sub point, your prepoint, and every other point you were saying. It's great that you have people explain things over and over to you. I'm a special education teacher, I do it all day long. If I don't feel I have to or want to regarding training I won't. I give back plenty. I don't owe anyone anything. I do because I want to.

Now go on to your next ten paragraph diatribe making point after point until you have talked in a circle about your deep rooted need to have things explained. Or you could simply STFU!

You can do whatever you want. I was asking people to explain things in an argument, not telling them to, because hey, this would benefit everyone. Turns out I don't really need your explanation on this topic because I know quite a bit about it. Others might not though.

But you know what.. as I said before, trying to convey anything to you is pointless. You have your ideas in your head about how things ought to be. I'm not arguing with you anymore.

Good luck with powerlifting and with your training in general.

Jay

rmccray
05-22-2007, 05:03 PM
I'm not a fighter, that's why I have Big Rob.

just say the word bro just say the word :D :D :D

rmccray
05-22-2007, 05:13 PM
how did this go from us inviting people to train with us to all this **** talking about us ?
:dj:

RhodeHouse
05-22-2007, 05:26 PM
Bearwolf - it's ME night. The guys at Southside squat on Sundays. Because of my schedule I squat on Saturdays at a different gym. Anyone is welcome for that, too. That gym is in Hamden, CT.As far as the raw stuff, Vincent is training for a raw contest. The training is the same, just modified for raw instead of shirted benchers. All the work is the same, though.

As for Keoni - The fukkholes from NJ started acting like they were something special. If they wanna talk all the ****, they should come back it up. I was offering those douche bags, and anyone else who's interested to bench with us. I knew those pussies wouldn't come, but I was hoping some others who give a **** would come up and hopefully learn something.

I don't have the actual address yet, but it's exit 34 off I-95.

If anyone is really interested, pm me.

dbc3po
05-22-2007, 05:32 PM
point is to get better you half to olift with those who are better than you. you can lift alone vidoe tape your workouts but you can never get enough camera angles to replace an experienced crew of lifters. I know vin had helped me in the past rhodes has answered the few questions i have asked him and big rob is the same. Last week I went to sc barbell and like others said i feel alot stonger now just from the 2 hour squat session that i got in. sma ething in november when i went to matt smiths seminar. strength doesnt come form books it comes form shutting your ****ing mouth and sfw. btw glad to be on this board there is alot of knowledge here.

Paul Stagg
05-22-2007, 05:33 PM
Ya know, all I asked for, over and over, is that when people argue on here they do so in a more constructive way than just stating 'I'm stronger, so listen to me'. I didn't call anyone weak. I in fact complimented a few people. I specifically stated that belts in powerlifting make sense. But overall, and I'm repeating this so no one misses my main point, if there is disagreement on a topic, I'd rather see points justified more and have people state their own strength/history/ability less.

I think this is a very generous invitation by Rhodehouse, honestly. If I had any desire to engage in powerlifting or get stronger in the 3 lifts, and if I lived closer than Baltimore, I'd definitely go. There is nothing better than personal training, no question.

Jay

Where do you train in Baltimore?

To Killa, and those of a similar mindset:

The powerlifting community is one of the most remarkable of any sporting community, in that every powerlifter wants every other powerlifter to get stronger. You (we) have the opportunity, not just with these guys, but in gyms all around the country, to train with people who are bigger, stronger, know more, all for the cost of a day pass.

What they do might not be what you need. They'll tell you. What they do might not be right for you. They'll help you figure that out. It isn't about who's 'strongest', it's about experience under the bar. It's about progress. Where did you start? I started at 185 pounds with a 37 inch waist at 5'11". I got to 230 with a 34 inch waist - not the most impressive at the end point, but that's a hell of a journey, right?

I suffered from the exact same thing you do. I had google, I read Supertraining, I knew everything.

And I squatted 445 pounds at 220, benched 315, and deadlifted 445.

Impressed? Me either.

What's so cool about this, is once you get over yourself (just like I did), you realise these guys probably don't know it all... but they might know something you don't, and they are willing to take you, or me, with our lifts that are warmup sets for them, and treat us like we belong.

You are a strong kid. You have a lot of potential. You'll find it faster looking for people stronger than you are and getting those things they know. It might just be how hard they work compared to you. It might be how they train. It might be what they eat.

Somewhere, there's a guy who benches 225 who could use the same from you.

RhodeHouse
05-22-2007, 05:39 PM
And JHarris, you are a jackass. I'm an athlete, too. Played Arena football and at U of Arizona. If you need to know everything to internalize everything, you probably suck at lifting, too.

People make this stuff WAY too hard. It's just lifting weight. There's no real science to it. There's no timing of exercises, and calculation of volume, and step by step analysis of the deceleration of the accomodating resistance multiplied by the Bulgarian methods minus the old Russian manuals divided by X. Put some weight on the bar and lift it. If you do less than 3 reps on ME work, with a total of 6-10 sets, you're good. If you do 1-5 reps on Assistance work, you're good. All other accessory work should be done in the 5-10 rep range. Don't do more than 1 ME exercise in a workout. Don't do more than 1 Assistance exercise in a workout. Do 2-3 Accessory movements in a workout, for a grand total of 4-5 exercises, and then go home and eat. Science class be damned. All this and I was a History major. That should tell you how hard working out is. SFW

RhodeHouse
05-22-2007, 05:40 PM
Chris Mason - you should definately come up. It's good times. And, I'm not as grumpy in person, as long as you laugh at my bad jokes.

vdizenzo
05-22-2007, 05:42 PM
Paul, that was an F'n awesome statement. Well said.

vdizenzo
05-22-2007, 05:44 PM
Rhodes, you are the man!

RhodeHouse
05-22-2007, 05:46 PM
Ditto on Paul's statement. I wish I was articulate enough to say it that way! Too much head trauma in football.

TeamstockyScott
05-22-2007, 05:48 PM
This is for anyone who is interested in getting bigger and stronger. This is inspired by the douche bags from Team Stocky, in NJ. They probably live about 1-2 hours away and are to scared to make a trip for fear of exposing the fact that they are weak, little girls.

I was being very civil with that thread. You're just sounding very childish now starting threads to sling e-threats. The only reason I'd drive 2 hours to see you now is to chip you.

Killa Kurt
05-22-2007, 05:50 PM
Where do you train in Baltimore?

To Killa, and those of a similar mindset:

The powerlifting community is one of the most remarkable of any sporting community, in that every powerlifter wants every other powerlifter to get stronger. You (we) have the opportunity, not just with these guys, but in gyms all around the country, to train with people who are bigger, stronger, know more, all for the cost of a day pass.

What they do might not be what you need. They'll tell you. What they do might not be right for you. They'll help you figure that out. It isn't about who's 'strongest', it's about experience under the bar. It's about progress. Where did you start? I started at 185 pounds with a 37 inch waist at 5'11". I got to 230 with a 34 inch waist - not the most impressive at the end point, but that's a hell of a journey, right?

I suffered from the exact same thing you do. I had google, I read Supertraining, I knew everything.

And I squatted 445 pounds at 220, benched 315, and deadlifted 445.

Impressed? Me either.

What's so cool about this, is once you get over yourself (just like I did), you realise these guys probably don't know it all... but they might know something you don't, and they are willing to take you, or me, with our lifts that are warmup sets for them, and treat us like we belong.

You are a strong kid. You have a lot of potential. You'll find it faster looking for people stronger than you are and getting those things they know. It might just be how hard they work compared to you. It might be how they train. It might be what they eat.

Somewhere, there's a guy who benches 225 who could use the same from you.

You naturally didn't start at any of those numbers, so I am kind of impressed. Anyone who is working out training hard impresses me, the discipline, dedication, and determination of getting further than where you were when you started. I never said that they won't be able to show me anything, or that I would like/dislike whatever they did. I had a strong opinion and I'm sticking to it. I didn't bash anyones work ethic/numbers/ or anything personal.

vdizenzo
05-22-2007, 05:52 PM
The only reason I'd drive 2 hours to see you now is to chip you.


Is "chip" a NJ term for fellate? Sorry as Jim Wendler says "Rhodes may not be gay but he's not straight either." Besides he has a woman right now. I'm sure he's flattered by the offer.

vdizenzo
05-22-2007, 06:06 PM
don't cater "said powerlifters".


Maybe you should move on from the pl/ol section then Kurt. Again, this all started over a belt. I understand you don't believe in it, but a powerlifter needs one. From what I understand many ol lifters use them as well. So your opnion on that subject is unwanted in this forum whether you like it or not. Clearly you have enjoyed stirring the pot and we all know it. Your place is really the bodybuilding/weightlifting section but you will keep coming here and you will continue to be unappreciated and unwanted.

vdizenzo
05-22-2007, 06:09 PM
1) don't pass up on offers to train with some of the best powerlifters in the nation.
2) don't insult said powerlifters.
3) don't talk **** when you squat less than you bench.




Damn, that's some good advice.

Killa Kurt
05-22-2007, 06:12 PM
Maybe you should move on from the pl/ol section then Kurt. Again, this all started over a belt. I understand you don't believe in it, but a powerlifter needs one. From what I understand many ol lifters use them as well. So your opnion on that subject is unwanted in this forum whether you like it or not. Clearly you have enjoyed stirring the pot and we all know it. Your place is really the bodybuilding/weightlifting section but you will keep coming here and you will continue to be unappreciated and unwanted.

Stirring the pot because I said I don't think people need one? I'm not the only one who has that opinion throughout this post. You guys have no more of the right to freedom of speech than I do, what you lift, or do doesn't give you the right to overpower my opinion. MANY but not ALL, maybe those people who don't use them feel the same way I do, are you going to tell them that they NEED one, or just me because I strongly stated my opinion?

Killa Kurt
05-22-2007, 06:13 PM
Damn, that's some good advice.

Well, if you think so...then I would have to say that you are as much of a tool as he is...those reasonings for an infraction are just insane.

Chubrock
05-22-2007, 06:18 PM
Calling mods "tools" on the open forum probably isn't going to keep you around here.

Killa Kurt
05-22-2007, 06:19 PM
Calling mods "tools" on the open forum probably isn't going to keep you around here.

Stop snitching. If he wants to take it personal like the whole thread that had nothing to do with him, then let him.

Chubrock
05-22-2007, 06:21 PM
Stop snitching. If he wants to take it personal like the whole thread that had nothing to do with him, then let him.

Hahaha what are you going to do, beat me up?

getfit
05-22-2007, 06:22 PM
ok guys!

Quit it alright!

Chubrock
05-22-2007, 06:24 PM
ok guys!

Quit it alright!

Tis ok senorita. No worries.

Killa Kurt
05-22-2007, 06:25 PM
Hahaha what are you going to do, beat me up?

No, but nobody likes a snitch.

vdizenzo
05-22-2007, 06:25 PM
Stirring the pot because I said I don't think people need one? I'm not the only one who has that opinion throughout this post. You guys have no more of the right to freedom of speech than I do, what you lift, or do doesn't give you the right to overpower my opinion. MANY but not ALL, maybe those people who don't use them feel the same way I do, are you going to tell them that they NEED one, or just me because I strongly stated my opinion?

In Powerlifting they need a belt. Your opinion in this section of the forum is wrong. It could be right in the bodybuilding/weightlifting section. Move along.

RhodeHouse
05-22-2007, 06:26 PM
My comments were a little harsh, maybe, but you're bashing Vincent Dizenzo - a world record holder in the bench press. Top 5 in 2 weight classes. On the verge of Raw Benching 600. Big Rob - won APF Seniors (beat Scot Mendelson) Now on his way to getting his 1st 800 bench and much more, since that's about his openner. Unfortunately, as of late, my gym lifts are better than my contest lifts, but when I get things squared away, I'll have some nice numbers as well. This was not over a belt. This was because your crew from NJ, who wants to "chip" me. (isn't that a golf term? Or was that an idol threat having something to do with killing me. Clearly, you guys watch the Sopranos too much - Bada Bing! Isn't that a NJ thing?) My point that needs to be spelled out to you because of you 2nd grade education is, you live 2 hours away from one of the strongest gyms in America. Come see us. You'll walk out stronger than you walked in. You'll have a lot of good info to use in your own training, with or without a belt. Anyone who knows anything about lifting knows to watch and listen to those with more experience and who are stronger. In a strength sport, those that are stronger, are better at it. I can't wait to get "chipped" I'm so excited!

Chubrock
05-22-2007, 06:28 PM
No, but nobody likes a snitch.

I don't recall snitching. I simply stated that if you continued to call out mods, your stay here would probably be cut short.

getfit
05-22-2007, 06:30 PM
thanks everyone I'm going for teh lock.I'm tired of reading all this.Ya'll have a good night

Alex.V
05-22-2007, 06:31 PM
People make this stuff WAY too hard. It's just lifting weight. There's no real science to it. There's no timing of exercises, and calculation of volume, and step by step analysis of the deceleration of the accomodating resistance multiplied by the Bulgarian methods minus the old Russian manuals divided by X. Put some weight on the bar and lift it. If you do less than 3 reps on ME work, with a total of 6-10 sets, you're good. If you do 1-5 reps on Assistance work, you're good. All other accessory work should be done in the 5-10 rep range. Don't do more than 1 ME exercise in a workout. Don't do more than 1 Assistance exercise in a workout. Do 2-3 Accessory movements in a workout, for a grand total of 4-5 exercises, and then go home and eat. Science class be damned. All this and I was a History major. That should tell you how hard working out is. SFW


Best ****ing post I've seen on this forum since... ****, since my last post.




btw:


Well, if you think so...then I would have to say that you are as much of a tool as he is...those reasonings for an infraction are just insane.

I thought they were pretty ****ing hysterical. And spot on. Let's get this straight, bro. Go back to the original posts. You started with the attitude. Really. And, face it, numbers are accomplishments. ****, they are in any other sport. You emulate the best. You learn from what they learned. And when they speak, you may not have to take their word as gospel, but you at least step back and respect the fact that they've come a long way since they were at your level, and learned a thing or two on the way.

They didn't start the **** talking. They were just incredulous that you were so absolute. And, so, you're benching over 405. And your numbers are going up. Big ****ing deal. That don't make you special. If you think it's not a thing going up to 500, then you got a REAL rude awakening coming. You don't tell a 9.8 second 100 meter sprinter that you're coming for him because you run in the mid 10's. He'd laugh at you almost as hard as... well.. almost as hard as everyone else here is laughing at you now.

Show some humility, man. You give some respect, you'll get some respect. You've given none, so you're getting none.

And no, I'm not catering to any powerlifters. This is the ****ing internet, who gives a **** who's what. I could ban them all in a second. But I know I'd just be losing out on what they gotta say. Chances are I have a bigger ego than you, and I know when I'm outclassed.

So let's cut the crap out.