Anti - e's

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

This isn;t a gear post so no need to move it freaks.

Anyhoo, would there be any merit in taking the supplemental anti-e's available?

[Spiderman]

I don't think there would be. Every male has some estrogen produced in their body. It varies I'm sure from person to person, but I wouldn't worry about it unless you WERE on gear. ;)

[Severed Ties]

Anti-estrogen = an estrogen competitor - no

An aromatase competitor - yes, but none are available in supplement form.

ST

[Marcel]

Have you guy's seen the new one by Biotest it's called "M" and it's suppossed to be an anti-estrogen.

Ingredients per 3 capsules:
Vitex agnus-castus Extract (optimized phytochemical profile) 400 mg
Calcium D-glucarate 250 mg
Tocotrienols 50 mg
3-5-4'-trihydroxy-trans-stilbene 10 mg

Vitex agnus-castus increases the natural production of Testosterone and lowers prolactin levels, the hormone that's responsible for inducing lactation (even in males).

Calcium D-glucarate clears excess estrogen from the body by inhibiting the enzyme that's responsible for the activation of bound estrogen.

Tocotrienols work synergistically with estrogen blockers to dramatically increase the overall effect at the receptor, as well as through non-receptor mechanisms.

Trihydroxystilbene blocks estrogen at the actual receptor site in male breast tissue and other estrogen-sensitive tissues.

That above is what Biotest claims but is it true? Spiderman, ST, and Chigs what do ya think? Is it bollox?

[BIG POPPA PUMP]

GEAR IS GOOD

[Podium Kreatin]

it's not good to manipulate estrogen levels, esp when u are natural, cuz that'll mess up ur hormone balance (there is a natural ratio between estrogen and test, so if u lower one of them... yea. it's best to let nature decide both amts imo)

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

Actually Marcel, I have no clue, and it was that product that made me ask.

ST, are aromatase competitors illegal?

(Robboe seriously has no *****ing clue about this sort of stuff)

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

Can you see what I'm doing here?

well, can ya? can ya? huh? punk?

Nothing like a dramatic bump huh?

[Blood&Iron]

Originally posted by Marcel
Have you guy's seen the new one by Biotest it's called "M" and it's suppossed to be an anti-estrogen.

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That above is what Biotest claims but is it true? Spiderman, ST, and Chigs what do ya think? Is it bollox?
I believe I remember Par Deus stating that a friend of his either designed or help design this formula and that is had promise. As Par is not overfond of Biotest, you might ask him about his opinion if you're really interested.

[Marcel]

Chigs - yea i know when i saw it i was like wow this might be kinda cool but then I read in NHE about messing around with test and estrogen levels in the body and how there is a natural balance like podium said.

Up it goes so Par Deus can give us some insight...

[Severed Ties]

Chiggs no they are not illegal but you do need a prescription, Anastrozole (Arimidex) or Aromasin would be a aromatase competitor but depending on what country you live you may or may not be allowed to import it.

As for BioTest's M product I can't comment on as I have not used it. I was very unimpressed with MAG-10 but I don't pay for my supp's so it was no real loss to me. Mind you if it speaks for their new products I wouldn't expect much from M.

Or I should clarify, I wouldn't expect more from M than from regular Vitex agnus-castus Extract which I experimented with for a month or so and suprisingly it does have some degree of benefit. For only $10 a month, sure as hell beats BioTest's ridiculous prices.

ST

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

So can you give a little more info on Vitex agnus-castus if it's not too much hassle?

thanks man.

[Marcel]

Chigs - did ya find more on vitex yet?

[Par Deus]

Originally posted by Blood&Iron

I believe I remember Par Deus stating that a friend of his either designed or help design this formula and that is had promise. As Par is not overfond of Biotest, you might ask him about his opinion if you're really interested.


I still have not looked at the research.

His opinion, IIRC, is that is has some pretty good data, but there is a bit of mixed data, especially with vitex.

In response to another poster, there is a supplement that lkooks very good on paper as an aromatase inhibitor. It is called Viratase, by Molecular Nutrition. However, it is also an androgen, so it is not ideal from stimulating natural test production -- basically, it is better compared to Proviron rather than Arimidex.

[Marcel]

up it goes so that dude who asked about M can see this

[BUFF STUFF]

Originally posted by Severed Ties
Chiggs no they are not illegal but you do need a prescription, Anastrozole (Arimidex) or Aromasin would be a aromatase competitor
ST


Yo ST bro

Is Proviron classed as a aromatae competitor?

Also I know Novla reduces estrogen and blocks receptors right? but is it a aromatise competior too?:)

[duque21]

is this par deus from mind and body?

[kook]

bumpy mcbump

in reference to an aromatase competitor.. say every time i diet down i get some "estrogen related fat " still left.. love handles and such..
taking an aromatase competitor would this aid in keeping estrogen levels down so as to lose that fat?

and there is no natural supp that is a competitor?

[BUFF STUFF]

Read STs posts

[kook]

..yeh it answers the nattural supps part(but who knows thing change every once in awhile)

but not "estrogen related fat" question