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[zwarrior99]

As a personal request, by some peeps, I have gathered info around and decided to post this up.. None of it has been written by me, but I agree with mostly all of it.. Its very imformative, I know its a lot to read but hey if you wanna take HGH better safe than sorry..

A lot of you guys want a GH FAQ so here it is. Please feel free to add or give constructive criticism, and keep this BUMPED UP!!! for a while.

1. Cost. HGH is very expensive and is not usually recommended for bodybuilders new to AAS use. Often, for a 128 I.U. kit it can cost as much as $700. However, starting with HGH use early can ward off training injuries that come with testosterone useage. This is due to HGH's effect on collagen syn.

2. IGF-1. HGH will only increase IGF-1 for a very limited time, approx a couple weeks. After that, unless it is combined with something such as insulin, T3, or testosterone, do not expect to see much skeletal muscle growth. It has been proven inferior to testosterone as a weight promoting agent in AIDS patients for this reason.

3. Duration. Ideally, HGH is used for approx 3 months at between 3.6 I.U./DAY - 9.0 I.U./DAY. The average human male age 20 YRS old will produce between 0.8 I.U./DAY - 1.4 I.U./DAY of HGH NATURALLY. For this reason you may want to make sure you are getting plenty more HGH than this. When you supplement with exogenous HGH you will drastically reduce your own natural production. HGH will cause you to hold tremendous amounts of water and it is often painful, far more painful than testosterone. Those who use 6.0 I.U. a day or more often cannot take it and have to lower their doseage. Many bodybuilders ideally want to take huge amounts, ie, 16.0 I.U.'s a day, but cannot physically handle anywhere near that amount due to the water gain hurting their wrists, ankles, and joints.

4. Effect on Insulin. As Hogg has noted several times, HGH will make you tired during the day. This is due to HGH's antagonistic relationship with insulin. Almost always, except during intense exercise or sprints, when HGH is soaring, insulin is plummeting, and vice-versa. For safety reasons HGH injections at night are optimal. An injection right before bed on an empty stomach will antagonize cortisol, increase IGF-1 levels, and give you a good nights sleep. IF you choose to use in the morning or afternoon, your normally high insulin-levels will plummet and you will need to eat quickly or risk feeling very tired. Also, taking glucophage will help make your insulin more effective, offsetting HGH's effects on it.

5. Injection. HGH can be injected I.M., Sub-Q, or even I.V. However, Sub-Q seems the easiest and also, the most effective. HGH injected Sub-Q will increase IGF-1 levels 12-16 HRS after injection. For this reason, some choose both A.M. and P.M. injections to keep IGF-1 chronically elevated while others choose only nightly injections.

6. Side Effects. The most common is musculoskeletal discomfort due to water retention. Still other common sides with HGH use are: fever, diarrhea, numbing of the nerves, fatigue (remember insulin resistance, more common with morning or afternoon use), headache, and hyperglycemia.

7. Primary effects of HGH. Growth Hormone can offer you what no AAS can. It can cause hyperplasia, muscle satellite cells splitting into two! AAS only causes a cell to grow bigger, but HGH can do that as well as split them, upping your supposedly fixed genetic potential. Hyperplasia has a lot to do with IGF-1, so to achieve it you may want to be using it with test, insulin or at least glucophage, and T3. These additional substances will elevate IGF-1 levels past the two weeks that HGH can only do by itself. However, HGH will increase collagen for months, even if taken by itself. Its effects on collagen last longer than its ability to increase IGF-1 by itself. For this reason, many bodybuilders like to use HGH to repair damaged, joints, ligaments, cartilage, tendons, or other things affected by collagen production. It is speculated that HGH has growth effects on bone, and internal organs which are independant of IGF-1. For this reason, it is not for the beginner. It can thicken the intestinal wall, organ size, and increase bone density.

8. Like anything, HGH use should only be considered after years of careful study. Exogenous HGH will shut down natural production and therefore should be used cautiously. It may be wise to use proven growth hormone releasing peptides like GHRP-2 or GHRH itself, after HGH use is terminated. This should help increase natural levels when they are low after exogenous HGH use.

[zwarrior99]

True Story on Growth Hormone by Death On The Field
Growth Hormone

Rating: (1 being the lowest, 5 being the highest)
Strength-4
Weight Gain-4
Fat Loss-4
Side Effects-2
Keep Gains--4

Side Effects:
Hypoglycemia- due to lowered insulin levels.
Aromeglia- (abnormal bone growth) GH does not cause it, but if you are predisposed to it, it will speed it up.
GH gut- if predisposed and taking large doses of GH
Carpel Tunnel Syndrome
Soreness in Joints

Benefits of GH:
New Muscle Cells
Mood Enhancement
Smoothing and improving the skin
Leanness, it is a potent fat burner
Joint and ligament strengthening

Where to Inject, How, and How to Make:
You can site inject anywhere you can reach the subcutaneous layer. Pinch the flesh and pull back, then insert the needle in the "pocket" underneath. Doesn't absorb quick enough if you inject into the adipose tissue. Do not inject intra-muscular, though it can be done, it is not recommended. GH is a site injection, where it is shot is where it will burn the most noticeable fat. Most people do it in the stomach since that is a typical sub q shot with most of the fat being in that area. GH should be kept in a fridge; freezing will destroy the GH. On your kit it probably says to use the kit in 18-24 hours, remember these are for AIDS patients, not bodybuilders or athletes. Mixing the GH can either be done with sterile water or bacteriostic water. The kit with water will be fine for 3 days in the fridge, even with the sterile water, but you should not take this chance, rather you should use bacteriostic water and play it safe. This will keep it fine for a couple of weeks. When mixing the GH, let the water slide down the side as to not pulverize the GH wafer. Do not spray it directly against the wafer with any force. Before reconstitution and even after GH is fragile!!! Also once the water is injected into the bottle gently swirl the vial to reconstitute, do not shake or swirl violently!!!!

Conversions:
1 ml = 1 cc -/+
100 units per 1 cc

6 mg = 18iu

1 ml = 18iu

.50 ml = 9iu

.25 ml = 4.5iu

Some people choose to only do it in cc’s but here is how you can do it in units on a slin dart

5.5 = 1iu, so 2iu = 11 on a slin dart

Differences Between Kits:
The main difference between kits is how many iu’s they make when reconstituted. For example, Serostim re-constitutes to make 126iu, while a Saizen kit.... also made by Serono.... makes up 15iu. Another of their kits makes 54iu. It better be way cheaper than a Serostim kit! Humatrope is fine, but costs too much. The other main concern would be fakes; Lilly is the most often faked one. Some older GH kits do not have holograms on them and are legit, but they are usually only less than 100 dollars than new GH kits with holograms, and I would rather be assured of the hologram and legitimacy of the kit. Best buy currently is Serostim 126 iu kits. These are made for people with wasting diseases like AIDs. Many of these patients got infected because they are IV drug addicts..........they sell the Serostim on the street for drug money.


Dose:

4 to 6 iu ed is sufficient. Most people take it 5 days on 2 days off at their designated dosage. There is no reason or evidence why you cannot stay on for various lengths of time; there is no need to go 5 on 2 off other than cost. Considering that our natural production is only .5 to 1.5iu a day, this is still a huge bump for the body. Research has shown that the body's natural defense systems render mega doses of GH ineffective, anyway. GH does not cause gains in mass...it allows you to put on a great deal of lean mass in combination with proper steroid and insulin use. The user before taking must know this. One or two kits are not enough, you need at least 3 to make you happy, GH takes a while to make its effects, but remember they are long lasting, what you see is what you keep. It takes 6 to 8 weeks to notice a dramatic change in body comp using GH on an ED or 5/2 split. Lighter doses for long periods of time are better than large doses for short cycles. Like any other drug, the more you take the more the benefits, but likewise also more risks. 4-6 iu is a standard dose but many people take more, the most repulsing side effects happen at or beyond 12 iu a day but like anything else it depends on your predisposition for it.


How to Stack:
GH is best taken in conjunction with insulin, anabolic steroids, and t3. Insulin is extremely effective with GH, as anyone here who has tried it will testify. This is because GH injections cause a down regulation of insulin sensitivity in the body.
GH alone causes little growth of lean mass, however, when combined with insulin and steroids (and IGF-1 if you can find it), the results can be down right remarkable...esp. in the older bodybuilder. Start light with the humulin...5iu...and work up 1 iu a day till you get use to it. 7 to 10iu in the AM and 7 to 10 iu in the late afternoon, with split doses of GH is your best bet. When splitting GH/insulin doses, I use mid-morning and late afternoon after lifting.... both flat times in our natural GH production. The insulin overcomes the insulin-resistance caused by exogenous GH supplementation. If you are scared to take insulin thought, then Gh with Test and Glucophage is good. GH is good for cutting if used alone. Glucophage allows for improved glucose and amino acid absorption by the muscle tissue and does it safely. This is what you want. The half-life of GH is only 2 hours so spread it out. Avoid bedtime injections since we produce the bulk of our own GH in the first two hours of sleep. Since exogenous GH suppresses this, you should not take it before bed. For best results, use a 17aa oral during the cycle to stimulate the release of natural insulin growth factors. I would run the test throughout. GH/insulin/test is the proven synergistic combination.
It is also wise to preload with testosterone before starting GH if you are going to do it. You should preload with the amount of time it takes for that testosterone to kick in, since most of us take longer acting esters for testosterone you should usually start taking the test 2 weeks before GH use. Likewise, you can accommodate it to fit your needs; the key is for the test to be kicking in the same time you are starting to run your GH. You can cycle you steroids however you want to depending on your goals, if you are going for a more massive look than you would run insulin for most of the cycle and use high androgens, but if you are looking for additional leanness at the end of a cycle you should stop the androgens and run a higher dose of GH or run less androgens. T3 is also another substance that should be used during GH cycling since GH lowers thyroid hormones. T3 should be used for shorter periods though, because it can permanently alter the endocrine system. The magic of GH for men is the ability to gain mass without fat or bloating when stacked properly with insulin, and steroids. GH also makes for amazing improvements in skin...smoothes wrinkles, burns stubborn spots of adipose tissue, gives that paper-thin contest look...and also gives one a real mood lift, a feeling of well being.

Major Difference Between GH and Steroids:
Steroids can increase the size of your muscle cells, but cannot I repeat CAN NOT increase the number of muscle cells in your body, which to start with is governed by your genetics. However Growth hormone CAN increase the number of muscle cells in your body, which goes beyond genetics.

Half-Life of GH:
Exogenous (injected) GH has a "half-life" of approximately 2 hours . . . a 4-hour period of activity during which there is a suppression of naturally produced GH.

GH Naturally Produced:
We release the most of our naturally produced GH during the first two hours of deep sleep...you may take a little time to adjust.... your body thinks you should be in bed when that big influx hits. It is good to take a nap, that’s when you grow anyway. It always helps to take naps after workouts and injections everyday.

GH Causing Acromeglia:
Acromeglia is a disease...you either have it or you don't. Supplementing GH will not cause it. Persons suffering from acromeglia, like Andre the Giant, lack the natural defense mechanisms of the body to regulate the production and effects of GH secretion in he pituitary. It is well established in the medical literature that exogenous GH will not cause the disease.... of course it would worsen the condition in those who had it.

GH Gut: Myth or Reality?:

Some researchers claim that any gains in weight experienced by subjects using GH alone was due to growth of internal organs and connective tissue, which could cause some problems. Most studies do not agree with this theory and consider "GH gut" to be a myth. Some people are allergic to synthetic test, this is something you have to find out for yourself. Some people also feel intestinal discomfort from time to time, if so take it down to one item at a time to see what is causing you discomfort; creatine, glutamine, protein products, orals, and dirty gear have all been known to cause this, so find the problem early.

GH and IGF-1:
Perhaps the most relevant effect of IGF-1 is the ability of IGF-1 to increase protein synthesis by increasing cellular mRNA formation (mRNA makes protein) as well as increasing uptake of amino acids. This effect on protein synthesis can lead to increased lean mass. The research indicates that this effect is dependent on GH presence as well. So IGF-1 alone does not promote such effects. Nor does GH. It appears the combination of the two most consistently lead to increased protein synthesis.

GH and IGF-1 are negative regulators of GH release so an increase in either (from a GH injection) reduces the secretion of GH. IGF-1 is very difficult to obtain in a useable condition.... it must be handled very gently and have bee kept at a rather precise temperature at all times. One can stimulate IGF production through the use of an oral steroid during cycle. Dbol, for example, causes a rather extensive release of IGF during the first pass through the liver.

The leading studies in this area: (Ney, 1999, Yarasheski, 1994.... Am J. App. Phys.)
In the Yarasheski study, no increase in lean muscle mass was noticed in the subjects using GH alone, but significant gains were found in subjects that supplemented with IGF and GH...add in the steroids and look out! Yarasheski studied weight trained athletes, supplementing one group with GH alone, and one group with GH and IGF. "So IGF-1 alone does not promote such effects. (Leanness and increased lean mass) Nor does GH. It appears the combination of the two most consistently lead to increased protein synthesis." Both seem to negatively downregulate the other over time, so as to lead to diminishing returns. Cycling would be in order for that reason. Also supplementing both is necessary because one or the other alone will suppress the natural production of the non-supplemented Latest study by Yarashevski - with GH alone...8 to 12% change in lean body composition. 6% increase in muscle mass.

[zwarrior99]

The amount of human growth hormone (HGH) decreases significantly after the age of 30. This decrease has been implicated as one of the major causes in the signs of aging, such as thinning of the skin and bones, a decrease in lean muscle mass and an increase in adipose tissue. Supplementing the body's dwindling supply with recombinant human growth hormone (rHGH) has been shown to reverse the signs and symptoms of aging. However, drawbacks in rHGH replacement therapy include prohibitively high cost, the need for repeated injection and side effects such as carpel tunnel syndrome, gynecomastia and insulin resistance. The purpose of this study was to establish an in vitro model using genetically-engineered keratinocytes to screen natural compounds for the ability to stimulate HGH secretion. We now report that a combination of equal amounts of L-arginine and L-lysine, aged garlic extract (Kyolic®), S-allyl cysteine and Pycnogenol® significantly increased secretion of HGH in this in vitro model. The data indicate that this in vitro model may be used to screen for other secretagogues. Copyright 2002 Elsevier Science Ltd. All rights reserved.

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ANABOLIC ZONE FAQ and STANDARD ADVICE
If you’re asking questions that are answered here, you don’t deserve to be posting here. Give your head a shake and come back when you’re ready to be useful and stop wasting our time.

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Table of Contents
SECTION A – FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
SECTION B – THE BASIC FACTS OF STEROIDS
SECTION C – SANE STEROID USAGE
SECTION D - LEGIT RESEARCH CHEMICAL AND SUPPLIES SITES
SECTION E - WHEN THE WORST HAPPENS (About to be Busted?)
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SECTION A - FAQ


1. I was looking for… can you help me out?

No. We can not hand out sources and will not allow source posting on this board. If anyone approaches you about buying or selling anything via PM on this site, please let me or another moderator know. Furthermore, keep in mind that anyone sending you unsolicited e-mail to buy or sell something through this site should be considered a scam artist.

Keep in mind that most people who sell things are not going to solicit business via a PM system unless they are preying on the unsuspecting (ie scammers).

Also keep in mind that the PM system on this site is not in any way secure. The administrator and owner of this site take every precaution to keep your information secure, and that includes PMs. However, the content of your PMs are stored on this server, and as such, are the property of the owner.

This doesn't mean the staff is reading your PMs, but it does mean he can if he wants to.

Now, if you’re looking for help finding legal supplements (protein, creatine, etc…), you’re in the wrong forum.


2. How old do I have to be to hit the gear?

This is one of the questions that is asked over and over on every board ever. It’s been debated back and forth. At the very earliest, you should be 21. Most say that 22-25 is best. Make sure you’ve got at least a couple years of training under your belt before even considering it. There is a number of reasons for this, most of which have been discussed when others asked about the same topic. Do a search, if you don’t find what you’re looking for we’ll be glad to help you out. Just ask.

3. How does this cycle look? What kinda of gains can I expect?

When making a post like this, you need to give us something to work with. Post your stats (age, height, weight, % body fat, training experience, previous cycles if any… )

3a) First cycle

People always post here asking about what they should do for their first cycle. By consensus, this is what most of the expert members of this board think is a decent first cycle.
Weeks 01-10 500mg Test E - two injections per week @ 250mg
Weeks 11-12 Maintain clean diet and lifting
Weeks 13-14 40mg Nolvadex per day
Weeks 15-18 20mg Nolvadex per day
10mg a day until you feel normal again


4. How many mg/mL? or How many… in a…?

Well, the number of mg/ml depends on what you’ve got your hands on. It varies with each product and manufacturer.

1cc = 1mL
1g = 1000mg
1mg = 1000mcg


5. If I have to inject 1cc of deca and 1cc of test, that’s 2 injections right?

No, you can and should put everything in the same syringe and inject it all at once. There is nothing wrong with mixing oil based steroids in the same syringe. Some say that water and oil based shouldn’t be mixed, but that’s not much of a problem either. Water goes through the needle much easier than oil so you have to be careful you don’t blast it into your leg/ass if the oil goes through first.

Next, we need to know how many milligrams of each type of gear that we're dealing with. Telling us how many ml, or amps or vials or whatever does us little good if we don't know how much active substance we're dealing with.


6. Where should I inject?

Glutes, quads and delts are the safest bets. Never inject more than 3cc at a time in glutes (upper outer quarter) or quads (on the very outer side about half way up your leg ), and not more than 1cc in delts (unless you’re a biiig boy. Even then more than 2 is really pushing it.)


7. What size needle should I use?

This depends on what gear you’re shooting. Use a 3cc syringe, with 1" needle for delts and quads. You can use a 1.5" needle for glutes or quads. When shooting anything oil based don’t go with anything smaller than 23 gauge (remember that needles are sized like pipes, shotguns, etc. For example… 10gauge is monstrous while 28guage you won’t even feel.) If you’re shooting water based gear then a smaller needle will work. A 23 gauge is a good all around pin that won’t hurt at all.


8. I don’t have any clomid/nolvadex but it should be here by… can I start my cycle anyway?

Never start a cycle until everything has arrived. Should you get scammed, your package be lost, confiscated, stolen or just doesn’t show up then you’re gonna be bad situation. Always have clomid on hand. If you get gyno, it’s not gonna wait until you make your order, pay and for the package to show up. If you have to stop your cycle in the middle for some reason, you get injured and can’t train, you have to have surgery or for whatever reason, you’re endogenous test levels will be suppressed, and without something to speed recovery you may end up losing more than what you gained while on the gear.


9. What does … mean?

Here’s some common nomenclature or lexicon you’re sure to run into in the anabolics world

AAS = Anabolic/Androgenic/Steroids
gear = steroids and ancillary drugs
pin = needle
gyno = gynecomastia (bitch tits), development of breast tissue due to elevated estrogen levels
nolva, nolvadex = tamoxifen citrate – a drug useful in combating gynecomastia and restoring the HPTA
clomid = clomiphene citrate – a drug similar very similar to nolvadex in both effect and use
HPTA = Hypothalomo Pituitary Thyroid Axis - this is the system that balances hormone production and secretion.
test = testosterone
deca = originally deca durabolin but now indicates just nandrolone decanoate
d-bol, pinks, thais = dianabol
abombs = anadrol
winny = winstrol
primo = primobolan depot
fina = trenbolone acetate extracted from Finaplix cow implants or Component-TH
halflife = the time it takes for exactly half of a substance to become inactive in the body
ester = esters are attached to a steroid making it hydrophobic. It is consequently stored in fatty deposits and muscle tissue as it will not move freely in the blood. Your body must hydrolize the ester before the steroid can be useful. Hydrolization forms a carboxylic acid, which is rather unremarkable in the human body, and the unesterified steroid. This gives a time released and prolonged effect to the steroid that it’s attached to. As a general rule, the longer the ester, the more hydrophobic it is and the longer it takes for your body to release all the steroid. Prop, cyp, enth, deca, undec : abbreviations for propionate, cypionate, enanthate, decanoate, undecanoate, respectively, which are common esters

10. Why is no one replying to my thread?

Two possible reasons, first your question so basic it would have been answered had you read this thread as you were instructed to. Secondly your asking about a topic that has been discussed in detail on many occasions and members/mods do not feel like kicking a dead horse.

USE THE SEARCH!!! 90% of new threads in this forum can be answered by using the search function on this site.

11. How much will I gain on such and such a cycle?

No one here is psychic so no one could possibly answer such a question with any accuracy. It depends on a many factors including diet, training, drug dose, sleep, and genetics. You get out what you put into a cycle. If you’re using steroids as a short cut you are going to be very disappointed.


SECTION B – STEROID BASICS
These are the basic scientific facts. Which you should care about, really, if you’re going to inject this stuff into you.

Testosterone is made in the testis and released into the bloodstream. A good portion of this testosterone is bound up by SHBG leaving free testosterone levels very low (only about 10% of that released into the bloodstream). Testosterone is a very small molecule that is largely lipid soluble, but has a charged polar group or two slapped on one end. This allows it to diffuse freely across the lipid membranes of your cells. Once in the cytosol, the test binds to androgen receptors that are just kinda floatin around. Once bound to the receptor, the test-receptor complex is transported from the cytosol into the nucleus. THis is where the magic begins. Gene expression/protein synthesis are initiated and the cell produces more protein. Glycogen and nutrient uptake are greatly increased to accomodate the increase in protein production. This means that your insulin sensitivity goes way up, as well as your appetite. Your sleep requirement will also increase.

The hypothalamus reacts to this increase in testosterone by decreasing Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone (GnRH) secretion. GnRH stimulates production of lutenizing hormone (LH) which is responsible for testosterone production in males (estrogen in females), and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) is responsible for stimulating spermatogenesis in males (ovulation in females). A good portion of your GnRH and subsequently testosterone (85% or more) is produced while you sleep, with test levels spiking shortly before you wake up. This partially explains mornin wood. (You can take advantage of this if you use test suspension or dbol, as both have a very short halflife. Take a 5-10 mg of dbol in the morning upon waking and it should be out of your system by nightfall. This means that most GnRH production will continue as usual. During the day, that small 15% or so is replaced by dbol or suspension which, and you're still comin off the test spike produced early in the morning upon waking... so you've high androgen levels both day and night). Anyway, the decrease in GnRH is followed subsequently by testicular atrophy. This is the #1 reason that people lose weight following a cycle. The HPTA will be up and runnin well enough to maintain your muscle mass with no trouble, it's the testis that take forever to rebuild (which in itself causes problems with the HPTA). If you use HCG shortly before coming off, or very small doses concurrently with your cycle, the testicular atrophy will be repaired or negated completely post cycle. This lets hormone levels come back to normal rather quickly post cycle. The exception here is with nandrolone wich desensitizes the leydig cells to LH/FSH and even if the HPTA were to be back to normal... they just don't produce test like they should. This is why test levels can take the better part of a year to return to their normal range following a cycle with nandrolone in it.

Estrogen stimulates SHBG production, and SHBG tends to facilitate aromatization... so if you curb the estrogen production you're good to go. You'll see higher serum test levels because there's less SHBG floating around to bind up all that test. Proviron is a great supp while on cycle. It has no affinity for the ER or the aromatase, so it doesn't funciton as an anti-aromatase or anti-estrogen like most people say it does. It does however have a very high affinity for the androgen binding site on SHBG. This means that the proviron will bind to SHBG instead of test, leaving serum test levels to raise much higher than would normally be possible. This means you get more bang for your buck. You can run lower doses of AAS and still make great gains.

Aromatases are enzymes that convert test to estrogen. All it takes is pulling off a few hydrogens and you're there. When test levels come up, the rate of estrogen production by aromitization increases as well. Estrogen causes alot of problems for bodybuilders... gyno, edema, mood swings, etc. It does have a few beneficial effects, two of which are maintaining connective tissues and beneficial lipid levels. It also helps maintain your sex drive. If nearly all estrogen production is suppressed by use of an anti-aromatase, connective tissues become brittle, less elastic and more prone to injury. HDL levels drop while LDL levels come up, and your sex drive usually becomes non-existant.

Also associated with libido is DHT. Like estrogen, DHT is produced using testosterone. 5-alpha-reductase converts test into DHT. DHT is primarily responsible for male pattern baldness, erectile function, development of the external make genetalia (which is what makes your penis grow during puberty... which totally negates the popular rumor that AAS will shrink your cock. If anything, the higher DHT levels will complete development if it hasn't already for some reason). DHT is also responsible for facial/body hair and deepening of the voice, etc.

Your liver can eat up test with no problem. Both test and estrogen have a halflife of like 45minutes in the bloodstream or something, and they won't raise liver enzyme levels one bit. Very easy to deal with. I'll have to say that oral steroids are not nearly as hard on your system as most people think. Contrary to popular belief, you can run an oral throughout your entire cycle if you wish... and you're not gonna do yourself any harm. Alot of guys can run 100mg anadrol/day for 12 weeks and liver levels won't even come out of the normal range. Some guys I talked to had been runnin 100mg of dbol/day for an entire year and their liver levels were just fine. The only liver protectant they used was ALA or r-ALA, and that was only intermittantly... and more for the effects on insulin sensitivity than for the anti-oxidant characteristics. As long as you have no pre-existing liver problems, avoid the alcohol and other drugs that are notoriously tough on the liver, you're good to go.


SECTION C – SANE STEROID USAGE
(originally written by Severed Ties)

The rules of how this game is played...
.....are set by you.

In writing a PM to another member it reminded me of something I did right before I started my first cycle which was probably the smartest thing I ever did as far as steroid use goes.

For some of you this will not apply because it is intended for newbies before they start their first cycle...which I was a few years ago. For those of us who already have some experience with anabolics, I suggest you do this before you start your next cycle.

Also if you want to be a pro bodybuilder and don't care what it takes to achieve that then don't waste your time doing this. The purpose of this exercise is to help you define and achieve your goals in the safest and healthiest way possible.

I realize this may seem kind of silly at the moment to you, but trust me. When you look back a few years down the road you will understand. I know I have helped many of you here but if there is a single thing you take away from knowing me or reading my posts please let it be this.

I will tell you that I once found myself saying the same thing as all newbies do "I'll only do one cycle"...if lifting is in your blood and steel courses through your veins you will never just stop after one cycle. So if you are not okay with that fact I strongly suggest you do not do a cycle at all. You will remember and miss making the gains you once had and the natural growth afterwards will be very slow....infinitely slower than the growth you are making right now.

If you do go ahead with your cycle just remember my words and know that you are going to do another....so my best suggestion to you is this....and please don't blow this off because this is the best advice I can give you.

Lay out some ground rules for yourself.

Get a piece of paper and write down.


1- How many cycles you will allow yourself per year.

2- How many cycles total in your lifetime.

3- Define some stopping point...each of us have a different idea of what we want out of our bodies, so make some realistic goals.

4- You should have done all your research before starting your first cycle so write down the drugs you will never use. Possibilities include but are not limited to Insulin, DNP, Clen, t-3, HGH, IGF, diuretics, even certain AS.

5- Side effects you will not tolerate and will stop your cycle if you experience them. Things such as hair loss, high blood pressure and even health markers if you get regular blood work during your cycle.

6- I don't believe in "roid rage" but steroids can affect your mood to one degree or another. So make a list of everything that is more important to you than gaining a few pounds of muscle (health, friends, family, relationships) If you ever find these things in difficult situations as a result of your steroid use agree with yourself to walk away from them forever.

Put all these things in writing and make an agreement with yourself. When you make an agreement with yourself it's one you cannot break and cannot get out of. If you sway from the path you set out on you will know inside you. You will know that a man who breaks his word is no man at all....and you will be reminded of that fact every time you look in the mirror from that day forward....

....so what will you see looking back at you???



SECTION D – LEGIT RESEARCH CHEMICAL AND SUPPLIES SITES
(originally posted by Shark)
Sites that sell research chemicals and supplies. Please respond to the original thread and/or PM a mod with sites that you have used and I will add them to this post. Thanks.

Research Chemists Online (Cheapest Basic Research Chemicals)
http://www.researchchemistsonline.com

Innovative Research (Formerly IBE NUtrition)
http://www.ibe-technology.com/

Kitsnmore (Research Chems Etc.)
http://www.kitsnmore.com/

Fina Farm (Conversion Supplies)
http://www.finafarm.com/store/news.php

GPZ Services (Needles and Supplies)
http://www.getpinz.com/

PumpNPose (Supplies Etc.)
http://www.pumpnpose.com/

Research Chemist (Part of PumpNPose)
http://www.researchchemist.com/home.shtml

Ancilliary Guys (Research Chems)
www.ag-guys.com

ANabolex Research (Kits, Chems, Pinz, Etc.)
www.anabolex-research.com

Cal Vet Supply (Cheap Pins)
http://www.calvetsupply.com/index.as...S&Category=280

Chems and Labware
http://www.sciencelab.com/search.php

Pins Etc. For the UK
www.medisave.co.uk
www.westons.com

for cheap pins http://www.calvetsupply.com
for pellets http://www.allivet.com/Finaplix_h_100ds_p/25232.htm

for benzyl alcohol and peg http://www.sciencelab.com/search.php

syringe filters, vials & crimpers~ https://www1.fishersci.com/Coupon?cid=1328&gid=114787

http://lambriarvetsupply.com/sbsite.php Also cheap pins

Pins and Barrels within the UK:
www.medisave.co.uk
www.westons.com

www.ar-r.com/shop
Arrived from US to the UK in less than a week. US shipping takes only 2 days.

SECTION E – WHEN THE WORST HAPPENS...
(originally posted by Hatred)

We all play a dangerous game. Since Congress decided they would have sole soverignity over our bodies what we do is now a Felony. You wanting 20" arms and the methodology you use to get there is the same as raping little boys in the eyes of the law.

There have been NO threads about what happens when a package gets seized and it's not just a seizure with a little slip from Customs.

This is a step by step for when a controlled delivery happens.
If anyone reading this has not read "Legal Muscle" by Rick Collins esq,
get a copy and read it.
Most foreign sources offer package tracking. SOme of you have done business with a source for a while and know what kind of lead times to expect from shipping, to recipt.
If a package hits customs and disappears off the map for a while only to show up after a week's delay you'd better be concerned.
There's no trick to tell if the person standing in front of you is an undercover agent. You can try to take the package and say you are not who they ask you you are but they'll batter down your door anyway as you've accepted it.
Don't think having your wife sign will make a damn bit of difference. If anything they will threaten her to get a full confession out of you.
There have been a lot of busts lately.

If you think there is any kind of funny business with your package here is what you do to keep your ass out of jail.
1)Refuse the package
2)Say you didn't order it, and have no idea what is inside.
3)Do not sign for it. Do not take it. Do not touch it. There is nothing inside the box worth your freedom and your future.
4) A real delivery person will not give a **** if you don't take it. An agent will.
5) After you shut the door and walk away; don't be surprised if a couple agents are at your door with your package asking you to talk. They will say they know what's in it and you're done,busted,finished, just confess.
If they had enough evidence to bust you the door would have flown off the hinges and you'd be on your face on the ground by now. They have nothing.
6)You didn't order it, you don't know what's in the box, Hell, it might be a bomb, so please leave. Leave now. when they leave you go about your life.
7)Don't order from that source again and definitely not to your address or name.It will be flagged after this.
8) When these agents are behind the door, what you do not see is the rest of the agents waiting outside. Considerable man hours and tax dollars are being spent to stop you from getting bigger.So you best believe that these agents will lie and say whatever they can to make a successful bust.

Remember. If they had enough evidence to bust you they wouldn't be knocking.

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Written By Tadger with small contributions from Shark, Hatred, Severed Ties and Paul Stagg.

References/Original Threads:
First Cycle: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=59447
FAQ 2.0: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=51388
The Rules of the Game: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=26753
Legit Research Chemical & Supplies Sites
http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=79354
When the Worst Happens
http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=98564

[Hatred]

Ok, I really screwed this thing up and have no idea how to fix it.