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Jeffreyk
06-19-2007, 09:11 AM
Tuesday June 18th

weight is now 155lbs, after first big meal, fully s=clothed sweats and shoes

weight has gone up 13 lbs in 3 weeks....I know I was emanicapted from the hospital, weak and depleted, but is this too much of a gain, or is just my muscles and bidy thanking me for finally giving it what it needs to grow. I'm getting stronger each time in the gym, just switched to am training and LOVE it but am confused to proper caloric intake....are the meals later in the day going towards recovers and therefore should be p/c/f, or should we move them to p/f......when do you suggest I think about reducing the cals and starting cardio...

Here's my dilemma......hopefully you can help......I'm 6'2 155...very light and about 8-9% bf....viisible 4 abs in good light and NO CARDIO! Training 2 on one off and eating a ton (for me)........is my meal schedule proper for am training? Should I still be having a couple of good size meals beofre bed to help fuel iup for tooorrow am even though I eat a good breakfast pre? I even wake around 1am and have some more cottage cheese and almonds IF IM HUNGRY, which is happening.....when would you say to start reducing cals maybe and or starting cardio? remember I want to compete in 2 years, so I need about 70lbs now, but truly dnt want to go over 10%.

Here's my major prob. I realize I am doing no cardio, just an intense 60 minutes of training....do you think a hardcore training for an hour burns as many cals as cardio> Am I burning cals all day since I trained early? This is just bafeling since Im used to pm training.....

I could understand losing abs and gain 10lbs over 3 weeks ( I was very emmanciapted to start, so glycogen stores could play a role) if I was eating **** every once in awhile, but I havent cheated in YEARS yet I'm still up in weight every single day.....are my cals out of wack? Is it the pm eating? Anything you say, Im all ears.....would LOVBE help!

Here's she is...clean!!! Why am I losing my cuts?

Is it water from 400mg /eq and cyp?

700 PRO CARB FAT
1/2 CUP OATS 5.00 27.00 3.00 150.00
1 PC TOAST 4.00 20.00 2.00 110.00
GRAPFRUIT .5 2.00 15.00 0.10 100.00
1 EGG 6.00 1.00 5.50 80.00
1 CUP EGG WHITES 26.00 2.00 0.50 120.00
43.00 65.00 11.10 560.00

830:
TRAIN

930
WHEY 23.00 4.00 2.00 140.00
3 RICE CAKES 2.00 30.00 1.00 140.00
berries 2.00 15.00 0.50 110.00
27.00 49.00 3.50 390.00


1130
6OZ CHX 41.00 2.00 4.00 200.00
1/2 CUP OATS 5.00 27.00 3.00 150.00
1 APPLE 0.30 20.00 0.50 110.00
46.30 49.00 7.50 44-.00


230
CUP COTTAGE CHEESE 40.00 2.00 2.00 200.00
5oz yam or 1/2 cup oats 2.00 40.00 0.25 180.00
45.00 45.00 - 10.25 - 450.00


530
6OZ CHX 41.00 2.00 4.00 200.00
20 almonds 12.00 12.00 16.00 200.00
BROC, ASPARG, GREENS 2.00 20.00 1.00 120.00
55.00 34.00 - 21.00 - 520.00


900
CUP COTTAGE CHEESE 40.00 2.00 2.00 200.00
TB PB 4.00 4.00 8.00 100.00
10 ALMONDS 3.00 3.00 8.00 70.00
47.00 - 9.00 - 18.00 370.00


GRAND TOTAL 266.30 - 254.00 - 79.35 #REF! 2,735.00

Unholy
06-19-2007, 09:18 AM
I think Belial made an excellent point in one of your other threads when he told you to stop worrying about macros, about P/F, P/C meals etc. At this point you should just eat and lift. Your frame can hold a heck of a lot more weight and at this stage in the game you need not worry about macros or about meal times. Stay around 3000cals/day and track your weight for a few weeks. Adjust as needed. Go enjoy food. No need making yourself go crazy over small minuscule details.

Jeffreyk
06-22-2007, 11:06 AM
Friday June 21, 2007
WEIGHT AT 730AM..SHOES, SOCKS, FULLY CLOTHED 157LBS

615:
LARGE Meal 1

7:30

ches/calves
INCLIINE BENCH
95X12, 115X10
155X6
155X6
160X4 -> 135X10, 125X12

FLAT FLYS
45X13X2; 50X10X2

SMITH FLAT
145X10
155X8
160 X 6
175X4
DOCGRAP REST PAUSE 12 REPS 185 5X3X2X2

INCLINE FLYS
40X13X3 DEEP STRETCH

DECLINE TO FINISH
150,155,160X6

**i know I know....the volume will be cut down.....I am on HRT, allows me to do a little extra but looking back....it was way too much**

STANDING CALVES 4 SETS
SEATED CALVES 3 SETS

AB CRUNCH 70+30X3
ROPE CRUNCH 30X120X3

90 MINUTE SESSSION TOO LONG!!!!!

Unholy
06-22-2007, 11:28 AM
Heya bro. Just to help you out.

Try posting your workouts like this

4/11/06

Incline DB- 50x8, 65x9, 75x7
Low Row (cable)- 100x8, 140x8, 170x6
Seated Chest Press- 90x10, 135x8, 155x5
Lat Pulldown- 100x8, 140x8, 170x8
Bent Over Laterals (cable)- 30x7, 50x4, 40x4
Shouder DB Press- 40x8, 50x8, 60x4
Tricep Cable Pushdowns- 60x8, 80x7, 100x7
Hammer Curls- 35x8, 45x5

Or like this

Pull

Deadlifts
135 x 12
225 x 8
315 x 8

Bent Over BB rows
135 x 8
155 x 8
135 x 8

Barbell Curls
85 x 8
105 x 8
105 x 8

Lat Pulldowns
120 x 12
140 x 8
150 x 8

Its much easier to read and stuff. You were very detail oriented when asking for diet help. Try to be detailed with the workouts. Oh and if you aren't bringing a little notebook/paper and a pen to the gym I would do it. Its great for tracking progress and recording your workouts here.

I would also suggest (Looking at your chest session)

Drop one type of fly and the smith machine bench and start doing some Incline Dumbbell Press or just flat dumbbell press.

Good luck man.

Jeffreyk
06-22-2007, 12:48 PM
Heya bro. Just to help you out.

Try posting your workouts like this

4/11/06

Incline DB- 50x8, 65x9, 75x7
Low Row (cable)- 100x8, 140x8, 170x6
Seated Chest Press- 90x10, 135x8, 155x5
Lat Pulldown- 100x8, 140x8, 170x8
Bent Over Laterals (cable)- 30x7, 50x4, 40x4
Shouder DB Press- 40x8, 50x8, 60x4
Tricep Cable Pushdowns- 60x8, 80x7, 100x7
Hammer Curls- 35x8, 45x5

Or like this

Pull

Deadlifts
135 x 12
225 x 8
315 x 8

Bent Over BB rows
135 x 8
155 x 8
135 x 8

Barbell Curls
85 x 8
105 x 8
105 x 8

Lat Pulldowns
120 x 12
140 x 8
150 x 8

Its much easier to read and stuff. You were very detail oriented when asking for diet help. Try to be detailed with the workouts. Oh and if you aren't bringing a little notebook/paper and a pen to the gym I would do it. Its great for tracking progress and recording your workouts here.

I would also suggest (Looking at your chest session)

Drop one type of fly and the smith machine bench and start doing some Incline Dumbbell Press or just flat dumbbell press.

Good luck man.

THANKS BRO...iD ALSO LIKE TO DO A WEEK BEFORE AND CURRENT WEEK COMPARISON EACH TIME...HOW WOULD U RECOMMEND? SORRY BOUT THE CAPS!

Noxon
06-22-2007, 01:16 PM
You might consider setting more reasonable goals for yourself... Adding 65 to 70 lbs. of LBM will take almost anybody longer than two years. Maintaining 10% or less body fat while gaining significant amounts of weight is also next to impossible unless you are talking over the course of many, many years. Don't take that the wrong way; it is good to set ambitious goals, but for someone in your position who is recovering from and dealing with an eating disorder, setting goals that are unattainable may do more harm than good in the context of your long term rehabilitation.

Having read through a lot of your threads, and being the sibling of someone who has been and is currently suffering from a combination of anorexia and bulimia, I firmly second the advice that has already been given to you by Belial and others.

Forget about tracking your calories, even if you are tracking them and eating enough. People with eating disorders relapse... A lot. I'm sure you are well aware of that. It will help you to overcome your compulsions if you can get away from micromanaging your diet. Just eat a bunch of good food and lift heavy stuff, man. You will get bigger, and quickly since you are so underweight right now. I know it is not easy to let go of your desire to control your diet. If it was, then I wouldn't be watching my sister kill herself every day. But ultimately, it's the only advice that can be given in good conscience, whether you will follow it or not.

Good luck to you.

Jeffreyk
06-22-2007, 01:18 PM
My trainer (well the semi-pro who has designed my training routine and lifestyle went over my diet and for the most part likes it. At first he said he seem too low in cals, but hell, I'm up literally 17lbs since being released (in a completed depleted state) from the hospital 3 weeks ago. He then went on to tell me that e will be over tonight again (stopped by yesterday) to give me the rest of the HRT I will be using, discuss some issues and to make a shake that he says I will need to finish daily. It ccan take me me 5 mins, or 5 hours, just needs knocked out.

He also said he wants me to up my cals NOW, even though my abs are prtty much flat, so that I am an even 300g, 350g, 100g m-friday and then friday night to sunday night eat whatever and whenever I feel like it as long as II get in 300g of pro.


This shake - I swear to you, he practiaclly broke my blender.....It literally jhad a cup of wheat germ, a half of a bottle of Jiff PB (the big one).......*I know, he said it didn't care, it was cheaper) a half dozen raw eggs, and 4 scoos of whey......granted, it took about 39 packs of splenmda to get down!

Jeffreyk
06-22-2007, 01:22 PM
You might consider setting more reasonable goals for yourself... Adding 65 to 70 lbs. of LBM will take almost anybody longer than two years. Maintaining 10% or less body fat while gaining significant amounts of weight is also next to impossible unless you are talking over the course of many, many years. Don't take that the wrong way; it is good to set ambitious goals, but for someone in your position who is recovering from and dealing with an eating disorder, setting goals that are unattainable may do more harm than good in the context of your long term rehabilitation.

Having read through a lot of your threads, and being the sibling of someone who has been and is currently suffering from a combination of anorexia and bulimia, I firmly second the advice that has already been given to you by Belial and others.

Forget about tracking your calories, even if you are tracking them and eating enough. People with eating disorders relapse... A lot. I'm sure you are well aware of that. It will help you to overcome your compulsions if you can get away from micromanaging your diet. Just eat a bunch of good food and lift heavy stuff, man. You will get bigger, and quickly since you are so underweight right now. I know it is not easy to let go of your desire to control your diet. If it was, then I wouldn't be watching my sister kill herself every day. But ultimately, it's the only advice that can be given in good conscience, whether you will follow it or not.

Good luck to you.

under normal circumstances, you are 100% correct. much appreciated. However, this is the dead honest truth. I play DIII football, I was a solid (prob. 13%) 245lb end, benching 350, etc.....I have the muscle memory, but never had the sharp abs.....so now, that my abs are just smotth, I might as well go all out.....if I gain 70lbs (HRT also plays a role) I am assuming I will have about 30lbs of fat maybe less to lose....I can do it....if not, I'll die trying, but like I said, normally, 3-4lbs a month ins FANTASTIC gain for most people!!!