Kipping on a pullup is certainly a pullup when you're doing a kipping pullup. That pesky modifier changing the meaning of the exercise and rocking the fitness community to its very core.
Every exercise has its place. There are no bad exercises, just stupid people that can't program well. If you're upset that some Crossfit people say they can do X number of pullups, and you're thinking strict pullups and they're talking about kipping ones...welcome to oral communication.
Whose being cheated, anyways? We don't even all have the same goals necessarily.
Exactly. It makes me laugh when people talk about cheating. Does it make anyone less of a person if you say that you can do 10 pullups and someone else says that they can do 20 with kipping? Is it really worth getting all bothered about or having a big angry debate about it?
But to go back to my original post. If your goal is to do lots of pullups kipping is a totally legitimate method. To all those who say kipping is cheating and making it easier...do you think that you could do the number of pullups that some CF people can do kipping or not? After all, you think kipping is cheating and making it easier, so it shouldn't be a problem for you. Unless you've tried it and done it, you don't have much footing for an argument.
The cheating argument is ONLY valid if you are interested in having bragging rights about the number of pullups you can do. If you don't care, then you shouldn't be interested in what number or what style other people do it in.
I see no one getting worked up or losing sleep. It's real simple, kipping pull ups aren't regular pull ups.......that is all. It doesn't mean people should cancel their kipping workout or give examples of Mr. World Kipping.
Example, I could load the squat rack to 405 and do a set of 20 quarter squats. Great workout no doubt but how many people would accept quarter squats? Matter of fact, would you give me a thumbs up for that set of 20?
And your analogy is not comparable. People (generally speaking) do not do the 20 squat method (with 400+ lbs on the bar) to be conditioned (although you should gain some conditioning after you do it for awhile.) They do it to get bigger and stronger. Doing quarter squats will not simply be as effective for that.
Kipping pull ups on the other hand are generally for metabolic conditioning (as another poster pointed out). You are comparing apples with oranges here. It's simply a way to get the most out of one's workout. Different goals call for different methods.
As for cheating it's only cheating if you are in a competition with somebody who kips and you don't and the rules of said competition state no kipping. Otherwise it's just a different style of training.
It just seems that some people are getting upset by it to the point where they call it cheating...not realizing that CFs have different goals than them and the CFs are NOT comparing their kipping pull ups to these other people's regular pull ups and saying that they are stronger because they can do more pull ups. And they are not saying that their kipping pull ups are the same as regular pull ups. They train for different goals, thus using different methods...hardly cheating. Unless you're in a competition with them...I don't understand why you would even care.
Well, Konstantinov does those type of chins and he is a pretty well built and strong guy...:)
Anyway, I wish I had the shoulder flexibility of those kids in the video.
Pull-ups... kipping... I thought this thread was about overhead presses? :)