As far as other CrossFit trainers, most of them are very good. The ones that suck won't last too long.
The only concern of HQ is whether or not the individual can pass a multiple choice test prior to receiving their certification. As I said before, certified doesn't equal qualified. There are several ways they can improve their so called quality control, but until they do so, many will continue to take their affiliation process less seriously.
First, I have met many, many CrossFit affiliate owners and trainers. I have also met many, many trainers in other gyms. The average CrossFit owner/trainer knows more about proper training than the average trainer in most gyms.
Next, CrossFit requires a quality course in order to open an affiliate. They then offer many other courses for continuing education. They do a good job. Tell me a fitness company that does a better job?
You are wrong. As wrong as you can be. HQ absolutely cares about turning out a quality product.
Fuck, I really hate it when someone who is ignorant makes definitive statements. It smacks of stupidity.
To counter your point I have met many people a globo gyms that know more than some L1 certified crossfit coaches. You are fortunate to have been around quality crossfit coaches. I am sure most of them have much more knowledge and are using the cert as continuing education. There are still people with just the l1 cert as their only real education which are now "qualified" to coach. These are not mutually exclusive.
I do not know of any other fitness company/chain that does a better job. I think crossfit is great, don't get me wrong. Most of the affiliates around me know their stuff.
You have to admit though, that if I go take and pass the test, I probably will not be the best coach. I just don't have the background. Yet I could affiliate and run a "box". This needs to be addressed to make the community better.
Everything I've stated has been my opinion, and has read as such. I even stated early on that my dislike for the way HQ runs things would likely taint any opinion I might have on the subject. Not sure how I could preface my comments with anything more overt. Maybe a spoiler alert?
I've personally seen HQ staff members tout their superior quality control. Anything less than a Level 1 cert is "dangerous". When you have affiliate owner's sleeping with members whose husbands are deployed, that's not quality control. When you have affiliate owners laying shirts on homeless guys for a photo op, that's not quality control. When you have boxes that still can't teach people how to properly squat, even after they've been open for several years, that's not quality control.
Glassman created a very successful business model. I have no issue with that. I have no issue with the main driving force being the almighty dollar. Just be up front with it.
And let me make this big before somebody accuses me of trying to pass my opinion as fact. THIS IS MY OPINION.
As for your accusation about me and my business, that has earned you a timeout. You have no idea what motivates me to do anything. You are not going to come into my house and say something like that. The balance of what you said is fine (albeit uninformed and stupid), but calling my integrity into question is not acceptable.
You also have no idea what Mr. Glassman's motivations are. You are making assumptions based upon your own biases and experiences.
Not to get involved in an argument, because I hate those, but...
Nearly every certification, regardless of how prestigious, will have people obtaining it with zero skill involved. My USAT coaching certification requires a two day clinic and a written exam, and quite frankly... what else could they possibly require and still make it feasible for people to get? Good coaches are going to be good coaches, and for them the certification is a tool. Crap coaches will be crap coaches, but they can still study for a test. Quite frankly, unless the business owner/founder is willing to PERSONALLY interview and vet every single new coach, there are bound to be folks who slip through the cracks.
But you can't invalidate the certification because the requirements to obtain it may seem slim- after all, horrible doctors can graduate from medical school, terrible lawyers have their JDs, and complete morons can obtain their MBAs.
Neither here nor there in this argument, but just wanted to toss in my $0.02
Something naysayers don't realize is that the trainers at those Level 1 certs will gladly give out their contact information and answer questions after the fact etc.
The only point was that you are biased and your experience is working against you here. That's not a put down, just an observation. I know people that work with CF. I've worked w. people from CF. I've trained trainers from CF. In my experience, they were/are all very willing to learn and competent. I'm biased too, but not as invested as CFers or yourself - maybe that makes me more objective. Maybe not.
Fwiw, I like a lot of things about CF - a lot of things. I've never met anyone from HQ, so I don't know them personally - I only have opinions formed by what they have said and done online. I don't think it's outrageous to say that they can come off as pretty defensive and unbending on some of the programming and quality issues. And there ARE programming and quality control issues - period. I don't know if it's better or worse than the general S&C/fitness trainer and gym populace, but among the general S&C/fitness trainer populace, they aren't doing AMRAP/'for time' OLs, plyos, gymnastic skills, or KB work either.
That video is at DeFranco training. A pretty well known name in the strength and conditioning industry and a person who continuously provides clients with results. Just a basic fat bar complex which is including hang power cleans. Would you say that is a similar metabolic conditioning type complex you might see in CrossFit? I think we could agree his technique and range of motion leaves a lot to be desired as well but I'm not ready to start screaming quality control.
I never stated I wanted CrossFit to be perfect. We all got sidetracked with that argument, but my original post was this. I like CrossFit the exercise program, I really like that they are making this training available to all kinds of people. Any criticism I may have is independent of anything else, any other industry, because I think that CrossFit has so much potential reach a lot of people. Unlike bodybuilding and powerlifting that tends to attract a certain mentality and personality, CrossFit is now reaching the average Joe. It is unfair to the average Joe to walk in to a CrossFit facility with the assumption that they are going to get world class coaching/training. After all they expect to be exposed to "Elite Fitness." We as a community should strive to make it better.
I know you are not telling me that a weekend certification alone will provide this, and I do not expect it to, but that is all some facilities will have. A person with a weekend cert that has been crossfitting for a while (the original post by Paul that I was responding to when you responded to my post).
I want someone like you or Alex that used the cert as a continuing education, that knows his or her stuff. That is what we should shoot for. It will never be perfect, but I think CrossFit should aim to be better than the rest of the industry. JMHO.
It's a growing entity, which was only started in what, 1995? Refining things takes time, but it would be difficult to argue that they aren't constantly striving to improve the product.