Well, that's what you're asking us to do.
Not to be a dick, bud, but how much experience can a 6 foot, 190 pound guy with one year of lifting experience HAVE?
well after all this information has been posted, im hoping we wont see another thread on this.
ha maybe in a week.
I've also seen a more productive growth in my "upper pectorial" region, from incorporating the incline bench press..
I've been lifting for four years to settle any dispute about me having enough time to see or anything of the sort lol...
Also, what movements make the definition in your arm-pit area more pronounced? Because my lower pecs lack a "bulky" look while my upper pecs and inner arms dont...
See pic for refrance...
I took out a book from the library a while on exercise physiology but I also looked at the book next to the one that I took out and it had a documented experiment inside about how some guy made one of the subjects move their arm a certain way in the upward direction and with a stick in the middle of the subjects pectoral it showed what "appeared" to be the upper portion of the chest contracting. Sooo.. I dunno.
No it isn't possible to isolate the upper or lower portion of the chest, the whole chest will always move as a whole. But, i think it would definitely be possible to "emphasize" a certain part of the chest. I think everybody knows from personal experience that you can feel it in different areas of the chest whether you want to be ignorant to that fact or not.
Buttt to this day I haven't seen a picture of a guy that has only an "upper chest" or a huge "lower chest" so maybe you can't even really emphasize it and it doesn't matter what type of feelings you get in your chest.
The argument is quite repetitive though, and really never does get solved. I think a lot of people don't like to accept what those that tell them that you can't isolate different areas of the chest because for 1) they can feel themselves that only certain areas of the chest feel fatigued after doing specific lifts and 2) when you're getting told by some random guy on the internet that claims that studies are false that makes it even harder to believe.
Howard9- After a year, ANY growth will seem remarkable. After a year of lifting I thought I knew what worked too. After three years of lifting, I realized I didn't know jack ****. I'm slowly learning, though, and have come to finally understand jack ****. Eventually I will master jack ****, then I will go on to teach it. Then, once I've taught it for a while, I may actually learn something useful. Only then will I use my experience as an example to illustrate my points.
And, STATUS, at your size, regardless of years spent lifting, I doubt your pecs are large enough to be any sort of example. You're still quite small, so your point doesn't hold much water.
Why am I picking on you guys for your size and experience? I'm not trying to be discouraging, or trying to be an *******. I could be an ******* if I wanted to. I'm actually really good at it. Just ask my mother.
But in this case, you have NO IDEA what your pectoralis muscles look like, certainly not at their maximum size (i.e., your genetic potential). And it IS your genetics that determine size; neither one of you is anywhere close to their genetic potential. This isn't a slam! Most people aren't. ****, most people aren't after a decade of lifting.
Think about those little foam dinosaurs you toss in water, you know, the ones that triple in size. They never REALLY change shape, just grow overall. But at various stages, certain parts may look larger than others. Eventually, the final size will be reached, but this SHAPE is predetermined. You cannot alter the shape of a muscle. Its shape is determined by its attachment points, the shape of the surrounding bones, the location and density of muscle fibers, etc.
The muscle is designed (or adapted) to move your skeleton. It will NOT grow in such a way that this basic function is compromised. Sectional hypertrophy would ruin the integrity of the muscle, and upset the whole carefully balanced system of tendons, ligaments, fascia, etc. that make up any joint.
So, long story short, unless proven otherwise, I maintain that you're wrong.
Cliffs notes: STFU N00B!
Good post Alex.
Thanks man. I judge the quality of my posts by the number of little asterisk thingies in them.
This is my point: Your "lower" pecs lack a bulky look? Yet youve benched.. hmm... I wonder what went wrong... OH WAIT! I know! Genetics.
Based on what we know about anatomy this arguement has been solved. You can not isolate. You MAY be able to emphazise certain areas more than others..that's never been in dispute. What IS in dispute is whether this extra emphasis is enough to cause a noticable difference...most of us don't think so based on our experiences and those of others. What I find most striking is that those who claim that it is possible and does make a difference have NEVER yet posted ONE picture to back up their claims.
1. "feeling" is highly subjective. Nor can it be used as a gauge of much of anything. I feel it in my hands after a heavy deadlift workout..does that mean my hands will get bigger?
2. Those weren't studies to begin with. Have they been put in a scientific journal? Have they been peer-reviewed? Were noticable results obtained from people doing just incline press? How many people were involved? Who did these "studies"?
Finally if you have to use pro bodybuilders (whose advice is not applicable to the general population to begin with) to back up your point...it is very likely that your point is (a) utter rubbish (b) applies only to drug using genetically elite lifters.
please please let it be the end.
i think every study says pretty much the same thing. With incline bench you can emphasize SLIGHTY more on the upper region of the pec major, but the difference is so little it wouldnt make a noticeable difference.
this needs to die.
Alex- excellent reference to the tiny foam dinosaurs. Those things friggin rocked!
*Flexes upper chest and leaves*
Can't flex bone Chris :D
I can assure you CR is jacked.
C'mon man, roll with me here. I mean if video adds 15lbs, he must be damn near invisible :O.
I like to pick on other people cause I'm weak IRL
Rich, genetics can account for my not so "bulky" lower pecs?
I wasn't aware lol...I thought I had been doing something wrong for the last 3-4 years? haha