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    I think swimming is the best all round but you...

    I think swimming is the best all round but you have to do what you like otherwise your just not going to keep it up.
    I personally like running outside the best, I run on a treadmill in the winter...
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    So your progressing doing them 3 times a week?...

    So your progressing doing them 3 times a week? They're getting bigger and stronger?

    I'm guessing unless you just started lifting or your on gear that the answer is probably no. or not very well. ...
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    I would move your shoulder exercise to the end,...

    I would move your shoulder exercise to the end, you want them to be fresh for chest.
    Do either DB or BB movements, and I would add a fly movement or dips, so do two pressing movements and one fly...
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    Welcome to the board!! :) What is your...

    Welcome to the board!! :)
    What is your experience?
    What are your goals?
    Whats your age and stats?
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    I just started doing Cleans rythym, do you press...

    I just started doing Cleans rythym, do you press the weight over your head? What kind of weight do you do for reps?
    Just want to know where I'm at.
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    Welcome to the board i8dacat, there's many...

    Welcome to the board i8dacat, there's many knowledgeable people here. :)
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    Much of your problem could be genetic, guys like...

    Much of your problem could be genetic, guys like Brock and Goldberg would have big traps no matter what they did. Take a look at your father and relatives to see if any of them have nice traps...
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    Seems like its alot more work than just going by...

    Seems like its alot more work than just going by increase in strength and size.

    My previous comment (son-ofa-bitch) wasn't ment to offend. :)
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    Son-ofa-bitch Now you tell me. tuttut tuttut :p

    Son-ofa-bitch Now you tell me. tuttut tuttut :p
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    Frank, try the skulls on an incline bench, they...

    Frank, try the skulls on an incline bench, they seem easier on the elbows and just as hard on the tri's.

    I also find a reverse grip (underhand) on cg bench and pushdowns works better for hitting...
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    I've done and like both, the only change would be...

    I've done and like both, the only change would be on the second one to switch arms and legs days and take the seventh day off on both routines as well.
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    Thanks for the explanation Saturday Fever, I...

    Thanks for the explanation Saturday Fever, I think I understand now. :)
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    You had me up untill you said that, how do I use...

    You had me up untill you said that, how do I use "minimum threshold" to judge progress, wouldn't using increases in strength and weight/bf% be easier?
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    Right there with ya Tryska.

    Right there with ya Tryska.
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    So how do you know if your body needs the 45'rs...

    So how do you know if your body needs the 45'rs if you can lift eht 75's?
    I know gains in strength don't necessarily mean a gain in size but you lost me on that one.
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    nope

    nope
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    If your progressing, don't worry about muscle...

    If your progressing, don't worry about muscle soreness, some people just don't get that sore.
  19. Great Rygar, Don't get me wrong, presses will...

    Great Rygar, Don't get me wrong, presses will get the job done but flies WILL help your presses get better as well.
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    Sure you can, You also don't loose water while...

    Sure you can, You also don't loose water while cutting.
    But you will not look as ripped as you would if you weren't using creatine cause your muscles are retaining more water and will make you look...
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