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Contrast training is a unique way to optimize results. Read this article by Lee Boyce about how to incorporate it into your training to pack on lean muscle mass.

By: Lee Boyce Added: March 25th, 2013
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    ANVIL POWER Detard's Avatar
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    Squat vids from today

    Today was ME squat day and last week I missed 320 by just abit when I was tight from football and running but this week I was fresh. Missed 325 the first time because I gave up on it, but grinded it out the second time. Please give me tips on my form or any advice/encouragement. Thanks guys.

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    Sick bro! Your bar placement looks a little high but your form is still decent.

    Can I train at your gym sometime?? There's something about it, I think it's the lighting, but it looks awesome. I'll let you train at mine .
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    Looks good to me! Nice job!
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    Sick bro! Your bar placement looks a little high but your form is still decent.

    Can I train at your gym sometime?? There's something about it, I think it's the lighting, but it looks awesome. I'll let you train at mine .
    I actually have the bar resting on the "shelf" or what feels like the shelf and dont think I could go any lower but i'll give it a try. The video makes it look more intense than it is. For some reason the video makes it look darker and more hardcore.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    Looks good to me! Nice job!
    That brought a smile to my face coming from the squat master . Thanks!
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    Yea, way to come back and get it the second time. My only suggestion is get some damn training partners.
    Best Meet Lifts(Raw):
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    @181- 470(w/wraps) SQ 285 BE 565 DL.....1320 total
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    @165- 680 SQ 380 BE 540 DL.....1555 total
    @181- 700 SQ 375 BE 535 DL.....1605 total
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    Thanks Chris. Unfortunately theres not many guys around my area that lift. Occasionally i'll train with RedSpikeyThing and Sidior and Bodybuilderam from the site. All my buddies from school that lift just **** around the whole time and do a million sets of curls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Detard View Post
    I actually have the bar resting on the "shelf" or what feels like the shelf and dont think I could go any lower but i'll give it a try.
    'Shelf'? That's a new one. What is that? It looks as if it's sitting on your traps. Your stance is quite wide and usually when your stance is wide, the bar placement is a little lower, resting on your rear delts. Not a serious issue, though.
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    I have to agree with Keith. Bring that bar down haha.

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    Heres 2 quick pics of where i'm holding the bar. Should I try it lower?



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    You could bring it lower. Try relaxing your traps and bringing your elbows up under the bar some.

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    Your bar positioning looks pretty good.
    Quote Originally Posted by Detard View Post
    That brought a smile to my face coming from the squat master . Thanks!
    Geez, don't say that! I'm flattered, but I have yet to win a squat contest here at WBB... After talking w. Mark Rippetoe last night, I am very, very humbled (happily humbled, mind you).
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubrock View Post
    You could bring it lower. Try relaxing your traps and bringing your elbows up under the bar some.
    :withstupi

    Not even much lower than that. It looked in the video like it was a lot higher. But yeah, as you lower then bar, bring your elbows up even higher. I still keep my traps and everything else tight, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    :withstupi

    But yeah, as you lower then bar, bring your elbows up even higher.
    I disagree. Bringing the elbows high caused my chest to collapse which lead to me leaning over far too much. By relaxing the traps and bringing my elbows under the bar, almost as if I were trying to point straight down with them, I was able to stay upright much more easily.

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    I'll try out some different bar positions next DE day to see if anything feels better/worse..etc. Thanks for the advice so far guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubrock View Post
    I disagree. Bringing the elbows high caused my chest to collapse which lead to me leaning over far too much. By relaxing the traps and bringing my elbows under the bar, almost as if I were trying to point straight down with them, I was able to stay upright much more easily.
    Yes, for a lot of people bringing the elbows TOO high can cause them to lose form. But the reason why I suggested this, is if you bring the bar any lower, depending on your sweet spot, the bar can slide right down off your rear delts. So, in order to prevent this from happening, bring your elbows even higher up, but obviously still keeping a tight arch and still keeping your chest out and high. I didn't mean to the degree where you would break down with form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Detard View Post
    I'll try out some different bar positions next DE day to see if anything feels better/worse..etc. Thanks for the advice so far guys.
    Your bar placement looked fine in those pics, like I said, it looked a lot lower in your video. If you were to lower it, I wouldn't do it by much.
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    I actually found that it was easier to support the weight with the elbows pulled under. It was also a lot better on my wrists.

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    Yeah, I'll agree with the fact that it's easier on the wrists. When I use a narrow stance, I'll crank my elbows right under as far as they go, that definately keeps me more upright. With a powerlifting stance though, a use a lower bar placement and for me at least, I have to bring my elbows back so it doesn't slide off. I think as long as this doesn't happen, you should have your elbows as far forward as you can to help with posture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubrock View Post
    I disagree. Bringing the elbows high caused my chest to collapse which lead to me leaning over far too much. By relaxing the traps and bringing my elbows under the bar, almost as if I were trying to point straight down with them, I was able to stay upright much more easily.
    I agree. I actually typed and then erased something about this, but if you are keeping the upper back as tight as possible, you shouldn't be internally rotating the shoulders. With a low bar position, you want to stick your chest out as much as possible, head shoved back, upper back flexed, and shoulders externally rotated (elbows pointing downward).

    There really shouldn't be a slippage issue unless you lose tightness in the upper back (or unless the bar is slippery or bent, of course). edit: or unless you just can't get into proper position from the beginning in which case you should work on it or go high-bar.
    Last edited by Sensei; 09-06-2007 at 06:13 AM.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    how about instead of telling him how to squat let him do what is comfortable for him!

    nice job dan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumprrp View Post
    how about instead of telling him how to squat let him do what is comfortable for him!

    nice job dan
    They were simply suggestions. Not telling him how to squat.
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    Sweet **** Dan! I'm hitting ME lower today and I'll see if I can match it :evillaugh

    EDIT: matched ya

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    After talking w. Mark Rippetoe last night, I am very, very humbled (happily humbled, mind you).
    uh yeah I would be too lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumprrp View Post
    how about instead of telling him how to squat let him do what is comfortable for him!

    nice job dan
    Most of us appreciate feedback Stump (at least I do) even if we don't agree with it...
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumprrp View Post
    how about instead of telling him how to squat let him do what is comfortable for him!

    nice job dan



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    I do appreciate the comments and suggestions. Like I said i'll give what you guys said a try next DE day.

    Thanks stump and Bryan.
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