Doctor's Advice on Nutrition

[porto_6]

Went to see my docotr today for a annual check-up. He noticed that in the last year i've stacked on the pounds (bulking ). When he asked me what my macros were I told him and he responded : "Theres too much fat and protein in your diet. You should consume 70% carbs, 20% protein and 10% fat." What you guys think about that?

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

I've never heard anyone say 70% carbs ever...anywhere...in any book...or article I've ever read.

[Built]

Ornish.

[Anthony]

Out of his entire university education, he spent about 2 weeks on nutrition.

And it shows.

[Built]

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=diet&dbid=5

"Dr. Ornish's dietary recommendations are as follows:

• Consume 10% of calories as fat, with a ratio of polyunsaturated fat to saturated fat that is greater than 1
• Consume 70-75% of calories as complex carbohydrates and 15-20% of calories as protein "

[RhodeHouse]

Does your Dr lift weights? Probably not. He is a Dr, but has no idea what he's talking about. George Hackenschmidt (creator of the Hack Squat Machine) said the same thing 100 years ago. If you don't do it, shut the F#$K up because you have no idea.

[markdk86]

This is why I go to a doctor that used to do steroids the correct way and competed in body building. Dr. Smith for the win!

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=diet&dbid=5

"Dr. Ornish's dietary recommendations are as follows:

• Consume 10% of calories as fat, with a ratio of polyunsaturated fat to saturated fat that is greater than 1
• Consume 70-75% of calories as complex carbohydrates and 15-20% of calories as protein "

Same page:

Nutrient Excesses/Deficiencies

The Ornish Diet may be deficient in calcium, iron, vitamin B12, and essential fatty acids. Dr. Ornish recommends supplementation with these nutrients.

Or you could achieve that by upping your macros in less ridiculous proportions.

[smalls]

There are plenty of studies done on Ornish's diet that shows drastic cholesterol and other heart health improvements. It's A way to eat, certainly not THE way. There are also studies done on Atkins style dieting that show the same. The Calories are the biggest factor, the fact that they had unhealthy people eating less it improved their health risks.

Most people get very hungry when trying to eat like this, but if you can stick with it and you have hypertension and hypercholesterolemia, go for it. It will improve your health. And contrary to popular belief you could gain muscle on it. I wouldnt do it though.

[RedSpikeyThing]

Out of his entire university education, he spent about 2 weeks on nutrition.

And it shows.

that's brutal.

This is why I go to a doctor that used to do steroids the correct way and competed in body building. Dr. Smith for the win!

and that's awesome

[Bikkstah]

Anthony's pretty spot on. I'm in a pre-med track program and only one, 3 credit hour class deals with nutrition. Don't go to a physician for nutrition advice. Go to a dietetician or nutritionist.

[sharkall2003]

Hmmmm, I went to my doctor and he had nothing but good things to say about what I eat. I told him I eat high protein, low carbs and moderate fats. No preservatives and usually organic foods. Blood tests came back and my cholesterol was slightly elevated. I guess you can't argue with good blood results, perfect blood pressure, restring heart rate below 60 and little healthy problems.

[smalls]

One of you geniuses explain to me what was so misguided about his scientifically backed suggestion. Why is following your own diets or the suggestions of other bulkers here better than this uneducated and misinformed doc.

I swear if I see one more bulking thread about micky ****in D's or the whopper, So many people bulk to absolute fatness on this site and claim it's in all in the name of muscle it's hillarious, and a bit sad.

And of course i'm not saying following his advice on a bulk is going to result in any less fat gain or better results than a higher fat diet or anything else "normally" recomended on a bodybuilding site. But he didnt tell the guy that squats are going to ruin his knees or to never deadlift, I mean come on, think before you post.

[Anthony]

Here's the break down of his scientifically backed percentages in two situations:

The first will be based on my body weight (180 pounds) where I meet 1g protein per pound and 0.5g fat per pound as minimums. That equates to 720 calories from protein and 810 calories from fat. We will say that's 30% of total calories, which means 5100 total calories, or 892 grams of carbs.

The second scenario will be based on my current maintenance calories (approx 3500) using 70% carbs, 20% protein, and 10% fat. That would equate to 612g of carbs, 175g of protein, and 38g of fat.

I'm not sure how many of you actually eat 600-900 grams of carbs on a regular basis, but I can sure as **** tell you that it's not easy or comfortable. I don't think any responsible nutritionist would EVER recommend carbs that high for someone weighing 180 pounds.

Hello Syndrome-X.

[Bikkstah]

I'm not a bodybuilder, smalls. I don't bulk period.

[Alex.V]

Why is following your own diets or the suggestions of other bulkers here better than this uneducated and misinformed doc.

Because my own diet doesn't suck.

[bill]

Not to say what the doc was telling is right or wrong. Of the pds how much is fat, it's easy to bulk and think your gaining a lot of muscle, when it's really fat.

[smalls]

Here's the break down of his scientifically backed percentages in two situations:

The first will be based on my body weight (180 pounds) where I meet 1g protein per pound and 0.5g fat per pound as minimums. That equates to 720 calories from protein and 810 calories from fat. We will say that's 30% of total calories, which means 5100 total calories, or 892 grams of carbs.

The second scenario will be based on my current maintenance calories (approx 3500) using 70% carbs, 20% protein, and 10% fat. That would equate to 612g of carbs, 175g of protein, and 38g of fat.

I'm not sure how many of you actually eat 600-900 grams of carbs on a regular basis, but I can sure as **** tell you that it's not easy or comfortable. I don't think any responsible nutritionist would EVER recommend carbs that high for someone weighing 180 pounds.

Hello Syndrome-X.

You honestly believe that people are going to become insulin resistent at or below maintenance calories, regardeless of activity level, lifestyle etc (which the ornish diet does advocate and address)? And I eat 600+ grams of carbs at the beginning of my diets and lose weight, copious amounts of weight. Eating 7 or 800 grams of carbs might be difficult for you but I am hungry on that amount and that includes a much higher amount of fat and protein than he recomends as well.

I agree that the ratio's are extreme, I just think it's funny how so many people who live what would be considered an "extreme" lifestyle by the rest of society have such closed minds. The ornish diet is a health oriented diet usually given to grossly unhealthy, overweight individuals and it works for it's purposes, period. To think that a doctor giving that advice to aide his patient is misguided, uneducated and that steroid induced meathead doctors are the better way to go is just ignorant.

When I first started learning about his dietary recomendations and the studies behind them I thoght it was rediculous. I thought the ratio's where unneccasarily unlevel and that I would never recomend such a diet. But to see a bunch of internet know it all's bash an entire profession over information they know very little about makes me realize how close minded I myself can be, thanks. Seriously.

The funny thing is I probably dislike and have more reason to dislike docs than the rest of you. I just try to save my bashing to something worthwhile.

[Bikkstah]

We only live an "extreme" lifestyle because 66% of the country is morbidly obese or obese. 1-5% of those people have some sort of medical disorder (thyroid) which makes it tougher (but not impossible with medication) to see results from diet and exercise. If the other 50~ or so per cent were in healthy shape, what the majority of people here do would be fairly normal. I follow my own diet because I can't afford $100 a month in health insurance to go see some doctor tell me I'm wrong for living the way I do. I lost 250lbs on my own without any "professional" health and am doing fine. When I first lost all my weight and was at my leanest, I went and saw my old family doctor who used to put his fingers around my wrist and call me fat to my face. He told me bodybuilding/powerlifting is unhealthy and he didn't recommend it. I haven't been back to a medical doctor since.

[RhodeHouse]

Yeah, it's me. You know my "fat" ass saw the post about McD's. Don't bash God's food. It hurts me everytime someone says you get fat when you eat it. My BF only raised 1/10 of a point as I've gained 20lbs in 3 weeks. No drugs, either. And I didn't go from 180 to 200. I went from 291 to 310. My sleep will be restless tonight because of the unnecessary bashing of the Big Mac!

On to the post - I would take the Dr's advice for what it's worth. If you have health problems, you need to be smart about it. If not, I personally don't worry. Stay on top of your blood work. You need to eat for your goals. Sometimes, not always, but sometimes, that requires you to eat like crap. It also depends on how bad you want to reach your goals. Do whatever YOU are willing to do to get there. Just don't cry if you don't make it and haven't tried EVERYTHING you can to get there.

Dr's aren't that smart. Why would someone want to be in school for 20 years? That just seems dumb to me. Think about it.

[RhodeHouse]

We only live an "extreme" lifestyle because 66% of the country is morbidly obese or obese. 1-5% of those people have some sort of medical disorder (thyroid) which makes it tougher (but not impossible with medication) to see results from diet and exercise. If the other 50~ or so per cent were in healthy shape, what the majority of people here do would be fairly normal. I follow my own diet because I can't afford $100 a month in health insurance to go see some doctor tell me I'm wrong for living the way I do. I lost 250lbs on my own without any "professional" health and am doing fine. When I first lost all my weight and was at my leanest, I went and saw my old family doctor who used to put his fingers around my wrist and call me fat to my face. He told me bodybuilding/powerlifting is unhealthy and he didn't recommend it. I haven't been back to a medical doctor since.

That's incredible! I'm seriously impressed. You will achieve anything you set your mind to. Just amazing. That takes the sting away from the negative McD's comments.

[smalls]

Yeah, it's me. You know my "fat" ass saw the post about McD's. Don't bash God's food. It hurts me everytime someone says you get fat when you eat it. My BF only raised 1/10 of a point as I've gained 20lbs in 3 weeks. No drugs, either. And I didn't go from 180 to 200. I went from 291 to 310. My sleep will be restless tonight because of the unnecessary bashing of the Big Mac!

On to the post - I would take the Dr's advice for what it's worth. If you have health problems, you need to be smart about it. If not, I personally don't worry. Stay on top of your blood work. You need to eat for your goals. Sometimes, not always, but sometimes, that requires you to eat like crap. It also depends on how bad you want to reach your goals. Do whatever YOU are willing to do to get there. Just don't cry if you don't make it and haven't tried EVERYTHING you can to get there.

Good post, For the most part I totally agree. And I hope I didnt anger you about the mickey D's, lol. Nobody beats their apple pies, and double cheeseburgers for a buck. I just find it sad when there are a bunch of 16 year olds closing in on 20% BF and using fast food as bulking food when they dont even have the basics down.

I have eaten worse for the last 3 weeks than I have since I was a kid, and i'm as lean as i've ever been. I'm not trying to tell people how to eat, I understand that what you eat isnt as important as how much. I'm just saying that people bashing advice aimed towards the general population (which is who doctors are addressing, unless your huge and shredded he doesnt think of you as any different than the fat old lady coming in after you) based in fact is neither misguided or dumb. People need to realized their are a million ways to skin a cat and open their minds a little.

[smalls]

We only live an "extreme" lifestyle because 66% of the country is morbidly obese or obese. 1-5% of those people have some sort of medical disorder (thyroid) which makes it tougher (but not impossible with medication) to see results from diet and exercise. If the other 50~ or so per cent were in healthy shape, what the majority of people here do would be fairly normal. I follow my own diet because I can't afford $100 a month in health insurance to go see some doctor tell me I'm wrong for living the way I do. I lost 250lbs on my own without any "professional" health and am doing fine. When I first lost all my weight and was at my leanest, I went and saw my old family doctor who used to put his fingers around my wrist and call me fat to my face. He told me bodybuilding/powerlifting is unhealthy and he didn't recommend it. I haven't been back to a medical doctor since.

Your preaching to the choir bro, I dont understand why. There are good doctors and bad, just like any other professions. Congrats on the progress.

[Anthony]

Smalls, I absolutely believe that excessive carb intake is contributing to syndrome-x. The only essential macros are fat and protein and based on his ratios, both would be below minimum requirements for someone as active as I am. I don't need a doctor or a ****ing peer reviewed study to tell me that my performance drops when I lower my protein and fat. So here you have a doctor recommending a bunch of stuff you don't really need (carbs) and skimping on the stuff you do need (fat and protein).

It's irresponsible. If you disagree, that's cool. But I think you're playing devil's advocate on this one because a few kids waddled into your territory of expertise.

Read my signature, that's pretty much what I want to see people doing. It's not about "extremes" it's about balance, performance, and health. And the ocassional Big Mac.

[Bikkstah]

Your preaching to the choir bro, I dont understand why. There are good doctors and bad, just like any other professions. Congrats on the progress.

I'm not preaching to the choir, you're accusing a population of self-educated, healthy people seeking to improve their lifestyle of not knowing what they're doing/not going to an M.D. for professional nutritional and dietetic help.