Eh, Stemulite?

[Pjsb]

I've seen news stories and articles written about this in several places. I did a search of the forums but I didn't see mention of it. Although I'm sure its bs, anybody have any experience with it?

http://www.poweredbystemulite.com/

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_ezZKcq3rwI

[getb1g]

$60 for 15 servings....

[Pjsb]

$60 for 15 servings....

Yeah, I know.. I have to invest in my own lab so I can throw 7 bs minerals and herbs together and turn it for a 12000% profit.

[StephenHolt]

Hi,
Stemulite is based on recent research showing adult stem cells - with the proper stem cell agonist, such as the patented eggplant extract in Stemulite - can assist in the generation of new muscle tissue.

(You can find the studies on PubMed.com)

In addition to being 2003 American Council on Exercise (ACE) Personal Trainer of the Year and 3-time finalist for NSCA Personal Trainer of the Year, I'm a consultant with the company behind Stemulite.

I've also been in Men's Health, Men's Fitness, Outside, and many more.

Metabolic Research, Inc. is a publicly traded company, so information about them is readily available through the SEC or sites like Yahoo!Finance.

I suggest watching the videos from the NBC and Fox TV affiliates. I also recommend you look up "Endiothil," the predecesor of Stemulite, also invented by Dr. David Summers.

I hope that helps you make an informed decision.
- Stephen Holt

[Paul Stagg]

Wow. Congratulations on your awards. Personal Trainer of the Year. That's something to be proud of.

Perhaps you could post links to the 'studies'. I enjoy reading them.

The informed decision is to not buy things that don't work from snake oil salesmen.

[Paul Stagg]

Is this one of those studies?

http://www.reuters.com/article/press...008+BW20080103

LAS VEGAS--(Business Wire)--Metabolic Research, Inc. (OTCBB:MTBR) today announced the results
of a 30-day study of the effects of Stemulite(TM) on weight loss, body
fat, and waist, hips, and thigh size reductions in 10 healthy,
exercising, women. The study demonstrated significant benefits in all
parameters. Professional Trainer Paul Simpson of Tampa, Fla. measured
body weight, body mass index (BMI), waist, hips, and thigh
measurements at the beginning and end of the study. The women combined
exercise with a daily dietary supplement of Stemulite(TM). With no
change in dietary routine, 10 out of 10 women lost from 2 to 11
pounds, with the average loss being 4.6 pounds. BMI dropped from 0.5%
to 6.9% with the average BMI loss being 2.42%. Waist, hip, and thigh
measurements dropped an average of 2.65 inches in each category, with
the high best combined loss being 4.5 inches and the lowest being 2
inches.

The women were asked a series of questions about Quality of Life
(QoL). Ninety percent reported increased strength, 80% reported
significant increase in energy, 50% reported significant decrease in
exercise recovery time, and 90% reported better sleep. Forty percent
reported an increase in libido, and 60% reported that Stemulite(TM)
gave them a leaner and more aesthetic appearing body.

One participant, age 35, said, "I was amazed that I lost three
pounds during the test. My strength increased and my energy was high
all day long. The sleep was amazing," she said.

Another participant, age 48, said, "After the second week I could
really tell that my energy and stamina had greatly increased. My
measured strength on the Nautilus went from 16 reps with 50 pounds
seated chest press at the beginning, to 20 reps with 65 pounds by the
end of the month. Although I did not change a thing as far as eating
and diet, I lost six pounds! My sleep was absolutely incredible."

If so, you might not want to post here any more. The more views and posts in the thread, the more likely someone using google will see it, and the more likely they'll see people who know a little about what they are talking about say things that aren't very nice about your product.

Because this isn't a study, it's ad copy. As a study, it is 100% meaningless.

[Rusty]

Dr. Summers is fat. Maybe he should take Stemulite.

[Rock Steady]

The more views and posts in the thread, the more likely someone using google will see it, and the more likely they'll see people who know a little about what they are talking about say things that aren't very nice about your product

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Clearly a crap product.

[rrich49132]

There is way too many products out making claims that just wont happen. I am reluctant to try anything espiciallywhen it is so expensive till I hear real world people using the products with the same results. When I see 5 people on her claim they get the same results that the product claims I will just on board.

[Paul Stagg]

You'll note the response.

Oh. Wait.

[Paul Stagg]

Gee, where did Steve go?

[strongkid963]

looks like a scam.

[jed]

haha classic. i was just gonna start a thread about this but i was smart and used 'search'! not like i was gonna blow any money on anything other than whey or creatine anyhow!

[vetoman]

Not sure about the supplement, but found a month supply at Best Price Nutrition for only $47.99...compared to like $60.00 from the manufacturer.

Not taking it...just found it at a better price.

[jake12399]

I just erased everything I wrote... DO NOT TRY THIS PRODUCT! if you have extra money please just give it to the church.

[azma]

Hi I just saw everyones posts and I think it is crap how nobody ever takes chances. I always look to "threads" about a product before I buy, but on this one I took a chance. I've been using stemulite for about 3 weeks now on monday. All I can say is that I sleep great, I look good, and I am stronger then before. The first week I think I lost weight about 6 pounds but that could have been from anything. I bought stemulite to gain size and weight. I didn't care because the first night I took it I slept so well. Now going on 3 weeks I've gained 9 pounds and I have to say I think my arms have grown a full inch. Thats not a fact because last time I checked they were 14 in, 6 months ago. but looking in the mirror I just had to check again. now they are 15 in. Belive it or not.

I'm 18 and I have my whole life ahead of me I don't want to look back and say wow I wish I tried this. Life's what you so make it rock.

Oh and I have also looked into MF3 or MFIII I don't know much but I think they are close to the same thing. My understanding is that Mf3 takes 6 months to get full effect and Stemulite 3 weeks. Whatever I bought them both but I am not going to start Mf3 untill my second bottle of stemulite comes in the mail. If anybody wants to talk email me at jatwwjd@juno.com I don't know if I will ever check this wannabeBIG thing again.
Has anyone tried Lifewave energy patches? Because I have if you want to talk about that.

Dude...you're 18, and already pumping medically unproven junk into your body? In that case, I suggest you try METH! I hear -- or rather, I bet -- it works wonders for weight loss. However, it won't make you sleep well, which apparently means it's probably not going to make you lose weight. Did you know that you can actually determine the quality of a supplement by how well it makes you sleep? Yep. That's why multivitamins are completely useless. In contrast, I know a guy with 19" arms who drinks water on a daily basis, so I bet water would make my arms huge, too! Plus, it would help me sleep better, right?

Right....??

Wrong.

Anyway, here are my observations:

1) The home page of the Stemulite website asks for your first name and email address, saying, "We will not sell your information, we don't like spam either!"

2) However, they seem to like spam a lot. The privacy policy of the Stemulite website says, "By providing your information to us during any of the True Healthy Products LLC information collection processes, you are providing affirmative consent to receive offers that we feel may be of interest to you from third parties."

3) I found this video about Stemulite, in which the words "metabolism" and "enthusiasts" are mispronounced. Furthermore, we find that, contrary to what science has told us, the Stemulite people say that it is difficult to achieve REM sleep. In reality, just about every natural sleep cycle includes REM sleep, and Stemulite advertisements are full of lies.

4) Even after a lot of searching, I can't find the name of the institution that awarded a doctorate to Stemulite inventor David Summers, but one Google search reveals a ton of accusations that he was involved in the pump and dump of Endovasc, a company where he once held the position of CEO. I wouldn't trust this guy with his own money, let alone my personal health.

5) All in all, it's very obvious that this Stemulite crap is not worth buying at all. In fact, I feel cheated for having spent so much time writing about how it's a shady product.

[Skdrolet]

Ok I want to try this if it's legit but I am finding it harder and harder to spend 60 bucks on it when the old dude selling it looks like **** and has a fat gut. If anyone has real feed back it would be appreciated. Unbaised non flamming good solid feedback. I have yet to find anything that works other than the real stuff. "Juice".

[Skdrolet]

If it's sooooo great how come DR. SUMMERS doesn't take it. Or is he just happy with his phyisique? Maybe he doesn't need more sleep, better recovery time and healing time, fat loss, muscle gains....Oh those stem cells! But just not for him???? Very confused!

[Chyndonax]

Stephen Holt must be getting paid to go to forums and provide positive feedback regarding this product. Here's another post of his from the forums at menshealth.com. It's about the same as the one here and he's a new member there too.

Cannot post the link, post count too low but google stemulite and it's the fourth link down.

I was reasearching this product trying to decide if I wanted to take it. This kind of advertising has convinced me that I will in no way be taking it now or ever.

[sbrun]

For various reasons, but particularly because it bothers me that the only information I have found seems to be marketing information, I have decided to try this product and post my findings here.

I am 46, reasonably fit but looking to become much more fit. I run, ride, lift weights and do other fitness-related activities. I hit a point where my routine was becoming ... routine, and I decided to step it up a notch. I found a website I'm probably not allowed to mention here, but it espouses the use of variation in workouts (coupled with healthy lifestyle) as the best avenue to true fitness. I agree with this approach. My workouts often went something like this (with variations in each workout): Run 1-3 miles (shorter runs = faster pace), do push-ups and crunches followed by yoga-like stretches, lift weights.

I do take other supplements: I use whey protein every day and creatine monohydrate on workout days. I have been wanting to take my workouts to the next level, but I don't have a great deal of time because I work full time, own a farm and several properties and I have a family.

My expectation for Stemulite is that it should provide at least some noticeable benefit, since the hype indicates the effect should be dramatic. I've been taking it now for a few days, and so far I have nothing to report. No ill effects, but no noticeable benefit as of yet.

If you would like more details on the particulars of my workouts, let me know. I typically do not keep a log, but I think I will start.

[Travis Bell]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you so correct me if I'm wrong, but you're taking it simply because the only information you could find on it was marketing related?

If that seriously is the case you'll end up trying quite a few supplements my friend. Many of them made by a company called Muscle Tech

[sbrun]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you so correct me if I'm wrong, but you're taking it simply because the only information you could find on it was marketing related?

If that seriously is the case you'll end up trying quite a few supplements my friend. Many of them made by a company called Muscle Tech

I should add a little more information. I realized that I failed to list two other supplements that I take: fish oil and calcium. I have tried quite a few supplements in my time. The experimentation began when I was in high school in the '70s and the coach pushed what I believe was a protein supplement. Since then, I have tried various mega-vitamins, liver and yeast, ornithine-arginine compounds... nothing illegal, but some that could be dangerous in higher quantities such as yohimbe and ma-huang (also called ephedrine). I will say that most of the supplements were marginally effective or totally ineffective. In fact, a recent article I read in Men's Health indicated that the mega-dose vitamins might have contributed to my prostate cancer.

Which brings up another issue. I was diagnosed with prostate cancer and had radical surgery (prostatectomy) about two years ago.

I don't try every supplement I see, but for some reason I kept seeing the ads on certain web sites I frequent and I looked for information and couldn't find much. So I decided that, yeah, I would like to see the "miraculous" benefits and it might be worth the $60 gamble. Now I think perhaps I wasted my money -- no biggy -- but I am going to continue taking the supplement and post the results. Since purchasing, I ran into this on the MH forum, which makes me think perhaps simply taking ALA or perhaps a combination of ALA and melatonin (see the ingredients of Stemulite day and night formulas) would be more cost effective:

(links have been removed because my post count is too low)


I’m always wary of these one-post club replies so I’ll weigh in and add a different perspective. I was preparing to unload on this supplement but my son came down with the flu yesterday so I don’t have the time to provide due diligence in my reply. But don’t worry, because I have a great back-up plan. Stemulite recently came up in another training forum and one of the moderators who specializes in nutritional research weighed in on it. To be honest I couldn’t have done a better job so I’ve provided her reply below when a member asked about it. Enjoy.

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Never heard of it before now, but don't really need to...the label and ad spiel pretty much tells me everything I need to know.

This supp appears to be an excellent source of alpha-lipoic acid (ALA).

That's pretty much it. Everything else is under-dosed or completely unproven and/or spun out of proportion.

Let's take an example: the write up on indium:

"Indium is known as the missing trace mineral. It is the newly discovered supplement for vibrant health. Only rarely has product been discovered that has been found to have such profound benefits, and yet so little, known, and not at all publicized. This rare earth trace mineral was considered of little use to the body since it is inorganic and therefore unavailable in diet. However, new research has found that indium helps improve the absorption of essential trace elements - such as copper, manganese, and chromium, copper and zinc - in the body, thereby allowing them to perform their functions more efficiently. It has also been shown to have age-related benefits, including improving memory, increasing libido, and keeping weight stable and regulating blood sugar levels."

Let's dissect this Crap line-by-line...

1. Indium is known as the missing trace mineral.

By whom? There is exactly zilch about it from conventional sources. The only places I saw pushing indium as a health supp were...alternative health sites selling indium. Imagine!

2. This rare earth trace mineral was considered of little use to the body since it is inorganic and therefore unavailable in diet.

Inorganic minerals are not intrinsically unavailable in the diet - inorganic minerals such as copper sulfate, magnesium oxide, zinc sulfate, calcium carbonate etc. can all be used as dietary sources of minerals.

Nor is indium "rare" - according to its Wikipedia entry ( [HTTP removed; look up indium on wikipedia] ), indium is used extensively in industrial applications, and ranks 61st in abundance in the earth's crust (apparently making it 3x more abundant than silver).

Nor is it a "rare earth" element (there's more than one possible meaning here): see - [HTTP removed; look at Britannica dot com] for a list of "rare earth" elements.

But taking them at their word: if indium is "unavailable" from food sources (since it occurs in soil, after all, it's likely to be trace element available in plant foods), what makes it more available in a supp?

3. However, new research has found that indium helps improve the absorption of essential trace elements - such as copper, manganese, and chromium, copper and zinc - in the body, thereby allowing them to perform their functions more efficiently.
New research??? ROFL Here's the "new" research (that's more than 30 years old):

quote:
J Nutr. 1976 Feb; 106(2):198-203.

Interactions of trace metals in mouse and rat tissues; zinc, chromium, copper, and manganese with 13 other elements.

Schroeder HA, Nason AP.

Tissues of rats and mice fed a nonessential metal in drinking water for life were analyzed for the essential metals chromium, copper, manganese and zinc. The study involved 505 rats and 843 mice. Livers, lungs, hearts, kidneys and spleens were pooled in groups according to age at death, averaging 5 for rats and 8 for mice, in order to provide adequate sample weight. Copper was significantly higher in livers of rats fed tin, germanium, niobium and zirconium than in controls. Similarly, niobium was associated with deposition of manganese in heart and zinc deposition in liver. Chromium levels were depressed in heart, kidney and spleen by germanium. In mice the greatest effects occurred when indium and rhodium were fed, all four essential trace metals exhibiting raised levels principally in kidney but also in heart and spleen. Chromium levels were raised in all organs but heart when hexavalent chromium was fed. From these data it is apparent that the ingestion of a nonessential metal can enhance the retention of an essential trace metal, perhaps thus avoiding toxicity from the nonessential one.

I picked up the cite from another site pushing indium as a supplement - it's all they had...and it's all that's available on indium consumption on PubMed too. This paper has nada to do with nutrition, and in fact is concerned with the potential for toxicity via accumulation of trace minerals in vital organs.

4. It has also been shown to have age-related benefits, including improving memory, increasing libido, and keeping weight stable and regulating blood sugar levels.

By whom?

This last statement should be stressed: when a supp company makes claims, the burden of proof is on THEM. They are asking for your trust, in the form of your dollars. It's up to them to prove that they're worthy of that trust. The above points should make you very wary: there are several obvious lies and distortions, all packed into one single paragraph.

To return to the top: alpha lipoic acid is indeed a useful supp - but you don't need to buy Stemulite to get it - it's available from lots of places. I'd pass on the Stemulite, if I wuz you.

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I'll just say in parting that you can either spend $60 on Stemulite Crap and get a 2-week supply for 300mg of ALA or you can spend $18 and get a 2-month supply of 600mg ALA pills. Hmm… I wonder which option is better? And in case you're wondering about the difference in the daytime and nighttime versions? Nothing except for 2mg of melatonin, an effective sleep aid. A few months ago I spent $12 for a bottle of 480 3mg tablets that will last a year and a half.

[FatBootyMan]

I've seen news stories and articles written about this in several places. I did a search of the forums but I didn't see mention of it.. Although I'm sure its bs, anybody have any experience with it?

I call, cough cough bull**** cough cough

[ElCangri787]

i was thinking about trying this product but i still dont know im gonna ask my doc if he knows anything about this product

[jonjon21]

I was really interested in this product too, now I am not sure, I may still try it anyways..