Machine vs. Barbell bent row.

[TCStyle]

Is there any advantage to doing barbell bent rows as opposed to machine bent rows.

[Slim Schaedle]

Uses more stabilizer muscles

[Torrok]

wow...machines are dumb, they dont even work nearly as many muslces as free weights. why would you want to do machine anyway?

[Slim Schaedle]

wow...machines are dumb, they dont even work nearly as many muslces as free weights. why would you want to do machine anyway?

Injuries, high-rep depletion work, saving your lower back for heavy deadlift day......

Look over at EliteFTS or some other powerlifting site and look at all the guys using dumb row machines or Tbars.

[Torrok]

Injuries, high-rep depletion work, saving your lower back for heavy deadlift day......

Look over at EliteFTS or some other powerlifting site and look at all the guys using dumb row machines or Tbars.

well considering he doesnt have injuries, i think he would get the advantage that he asked for if he were to use free weights.

just last night i did deadlifts, barbell rows, and t-bar rows for my back, all free weights. it doesnt kill your back.

[Dgro]

Hey, don't knock T-bar rows. They're a legit exercise, and even the free-weights-only guys know that.

[Slim Schaedle]

why would you want to do machine anyway?

All I did was answer your question above.

I never implied that he has inuries, or should choose machines over free weight barbell row.

Please read more closely.


Torrok, if you are rowing 300lbs free weight and then doing ME deadlift work a few days later, the rows will certainly play a role in how strong your deads will be.

There is a reason why the Westside template calls for chest-supported rows.

[Torrok]

All I did was answer your question above.

I never implied that he has inuries, or should choose machines over free weight barbell row.

Please read more closely.


Torrok, if you are rowing 300lbs free weight and then doing ME deadlift work a few days later, the rows will certainly play a role in how strong your deads will be.

There is a reason why the Westside template calls for chest-supported rows.

do em on the same day, problem solved

[ZenMonkey]

Torrok, it is not as easy as that. Do some research about westside and any other periodization that is designed to increase your poundage.

[Slim Schaedle]

do em on the same day, problem solved

haha


Man, every point I am making is whizzing over your head.

[Runty]

I do heavy rack pulls and have trouble keeping my lower back in good form while doing bent rows right after. It can be really taxing on your back to try to hold up the weight like that for so long. Sometimes I'll do machine rows or cable rows just so I can really hit lats as hard as I want.

[Xellarz]

Cables shouldn't be grouped with "machines".

[dougyp]

The original question I believe was,

"Is there any advantage to doing barbell bent rows as opposed to machine bent rows."

The question itself is confusing, because depending on what you're going for, the word advantage is misused. Believe it or not, fellas, some of the members here aren't powerlifters and don't necessarily care about "periodization" and increasing poundage. If you're lifting for size, like pumping up your rear delts and upper traps, by all means use the machine. It allows you to go a lot heavier than you could with traditional unassisted bent over rows, and offers a lot of isolation as well. Even for people who go for strength over looks (such as myself) could benefit from this machine because of its stabilization. With that sead, it's also good to mix things up. For instance, I don't have a t-bar machine in my gym, but I wish I did because close grip and wide grip cable rows get old, and I don't do bent over rows because I deadlift heavily, so there's no point in my mind. Every machine in the gym has its purpose, and benefit for somebody.

[Slim Schaedle]

Believe it or not, fellas, some of the members here aren't powerlifters and don't necessarily care about "periodization" and increasing poundage.

Just to be clear, no one argued from that standpoint or that impression.

A poster metioned that machines are dumb, and the example of powerlifters, etc. was used, by myself, in support of machine use as an example, b/c it was asked why someone would want to use machines anyway.



Good points on the other stuff.

[ZenMonkey]

Believe it or not, fellas, some of the members here aren't powerlifters and don't necessarily care about "periodization" and increasing poundage.

Way to pull that out of context. I said that in reaction to a Westside statement, as another post suggested. I believe someone wanted to know why not do "Free Weight" Rows as opposed to machine and it was stated that it may be beneficial to save you back from other work. So you can keep your other lifts increasing.

And you should care about periodization and increasing poundage, because almost every routine incorporates it. And who the hell wants to be big and weak?