A good artice... on T-Mag??!

[WillNoble]

Tate/Green put a really good one up, some really great free coaching and info...

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_a...nch_press_cure

[Auburn]

Green knows what he's talking about, he's built for show.



I did like the article, though, as I do everything Tate has put out there.

[Clifford Gillmore]

Very good article, good find will.

[WillNoble]

yeah it was sent to me, I was pleasantly surprised... I fired off a few copies to the casual lifters who work for me, they came with some very good questions over the course of today.

[Hazerboy]

Aw you beat me to it. I saw that yesterday night. Tate has some great stuff, I really liked what he had to say about "pulling" the weight off the pins, as well as his breakdown of his groove -- elbows break first, push towards the face. I think he said he used to teach benching in a straight line though he likes this better.

I'm wondering though what some other bench experts on here have to say about tates advice though? its always nice to get a second opinion.

[KarstenDD]

Bench advice? From Dave? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[WillNoble]

He may not be the best bencher of all time, but the advice is solid...

Its more advanced than 99.999% of what your average t-bag reader actually gets exposed to...


Oh I forgot, I guess they're called "T-Muscle" now... Man, TC is a marketing GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!11

[KarstenDD]

I just like making fun of Dave.

[WillNoble]

the beginning of the video is hilarious... 3 f-bombs in 20 seconds

[WillNoble]

Video

[Reko]

unpossible!

[chris mason]

That is a nice article and video! Good content!

[MNRob]

For non competition types, is it ok to be benching without such a big arch as Dave demonstrates, while doing everything else (to the best of ones ability)?

[KoSh]

Holy ****. Watching that video, my bench form blows.

Gotta fix that tomorrow...

[KarstenDD]

Holy ****. Watching that video, my bench form blows.

Gotta fix that tomorrow...

It'll take a lot longer than that.

[KoSh]

It'll take a lot longer than that.

I exaggerated slightly. I'm not that bad.

Gotta work on some things. And yeah, it will. But the process can begin tomorrow.

[Kenny Croxdale]

Tate/Green put a really good one up, some really great free coaching and info...

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_a...nch_press_cure

Tate's a smart guy. Dave provide some great information. However, the problem with most novice and intermediate lifters is they perform too many warm up sets.

Performing 8 sets with only the bar (as Tate mentions in the interview) makes little sense. Very little warm up is provided. And working with such a small load is not effective in develop technique.

One of the interesting points of the training video is Tate demonstrating that the bar needs to be driven back toward the head in bench pressing (6:35 maker on video).

Kenny Croxdale

[Sensei]

[COLOR="Navy"]Tate's a smart guy. Dave provide some great information. However, the problem with most novice and intermediate lifters is they perform too many warm up sets.

I don't know about that Kenny. IMHO, most of them perform too many warm-up reps, not sets.

Performing 8 sets with only the bar (as Tate mentions in the interview) makes little sense. Very little warm up is provided. And working with such a small load is not effective in develop technique.

Working w. the bar is to get the blood moving and practice the movement pattern - I never felt it was a waste.

One of the interesting points of the training video is Tate demonstrating that the bar needs to be driven back toward the head in bench pressing (6:35 maker on video).

That is very different than the stance WS (and Tate) used to have.

[Travis Bell]

I don't know about that Kenny. IMHO, most of them perform too many warm-up reps, not sets.

I was just going to type the same thing but you beat me to it.

Working w. the bar is to get the blood moving and practice the movement pattern - I never felt it was a waste.

I've always felt I am stronger when I warm up properly. Typically I can go farther in my ME workouts

That is very different than the stance WS (and Tate) used to have.

Yeah, we don't do that raw (at Westside) , but in the shirts, because we touch low, you have to press it back a little so as to keep the bar over your triceps and be able to lock it out quickly.

When we bench raw (which is a lot) we don't tuck quite as much, so we don't touch near as low and then don't really need to press it back over the face. I'll have to get some video from the side because I don't think I do, but maybe in fact I do it unconsciously near the top.

[WillNoble]

I don't know about that Kenny. IMHO, most of them perform too many warm-up reps, not sets.

Working w. the bar is to get the blood moving and practice the movement pattern - I never felt it was a waste.


That is very different than the stance WS (and Tate) used to have.

I was just going to type the same thing but you beat me to it.



I've always felt I am stronger when I warm up properly. Typically I can go farther in my ME workouts




Yeah, we don't do that raw (at Westside) , but in the shirts, because we touch low, you have to press it back a little so as to keep the bar over your triceps and be able to lock it out quickly.

When we bench raw (which is a lot) we don't tuck quite as much, so we don't touch near as low and then don't really need to press it back over the face. I'll have to get some video from the side because I don't think I do, but maybe in fact I do it unconsciously near the top.

QFT. you both beat me to the punch

[Kenny Croxdale]

[QUOTE=Sensei;2144981]I don't know about that Kenny. IMHO, most of them perform too many warm-up reps, not sets.

Sensi,

Excellent point, I agree. Let me revise my statement to yours, Most peform too many warm up reps, not sets.

Working w. the bar is to get the blood moving and practice the movement pattern - I never felt it was a waste.

Let's say you can bench 300 or 400 lbs. How much of a warm up is performing 8 sets with a 45 lb bar going to provide for you?

Performing 8 set with the bar provides very little warm up. It amount to Tate's complaing about lifters "performing arm swings" for their warm ups.

A much more effective method is a progressive warm up, which taxes the muscles and gets more blood pumping.

Another aspect of the warm up is to acclimate your central nervous system to the work ahead.

Also, one of the problem with practicing the movement pattern with the ultra light load of the bar is the firing sequence of the muscles groups is completely different compared with one maximum bench press.

As Dr Tom McLaughlin noted in his research, to effectively develop one's technique, a lift need to be performed with loads as close to one maximum as possible. Doing so, trains the central nervous system more specifically to the firing sequence of the musles in a max effort lift.

Research indicates that the best technqiue in a lift is to perform singles with loads in the 85 and preferable 90% of 1RM range. Ironically, this method one of the staples of the Bulgarian Weightlifting program.

That is very different than the stance WS (and Tate) used to have.

Yes, it is.

Kenny Croxdale

[Keith]

I exaggerated slightly. I'm not that bad.

You mean my bad?


Great video and article. Tate ****ing rules. Thanks for the post.

[KoSh]

You mean my bad?

No. I don't. But thanks for the incorrect correction.

[Keith]

No. I don't. But thanks for the incorrect correction.

You missed it. Did you watch near the end of the video?

[KoSh]

You missed it. Did you watch near the end of the video?

Good call... I did. Freakin' Tate. Hah.

My bad