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Contrast training is a unique way to optimize results. Read this article by Lee Boyce about how to incorporate it into your training to pack on lean muscle mass.

By: Lee Boyce Added: March 25th, 2013
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    Wannabebig Member thzone1986's Avatar
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    My Bench = My Deadlift = My Squat

    See title. I'm doing SS right now and I've progressed at least +30lb's in all of the 3 core lifts.

    My last workout yesterday was great!! I was able to add ~5-10lbs to all my bench and my squat. But I realized after looking at my journal/log that now I'm benching 135lbs, squatting 135lbs, and deadlifting 135lbs. Maybe it doesn't matter as long as I'm making progress and moving forwards, but I just thought it was odd, considering everyone here is squatting/deadlifting way more than they bench.

    Any thoughts or ppl who've encountered this situation before?

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    Strange.. Deads should be strongest, then squats and then bench.. Usually, maybe you trained chest the most before starting SS and didn't pay much attention to legs and deads. OR you aren't doing Max work with squats and deads...
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    Bench Press 60kg 5x5
    Squats 77,5 kg 5x5
    Deads 112,5kg 5x5
    BB Rows 80kg 5x5
    Overhead Pr. 40kg 5x5

    My training journal:
    http://www.wannabebig.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=125238

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    Dont worry about it... they will spread as you get stronger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gymjunkie View Post
    Strange.. Deads should be strongest, then squats and then bench.. Usually, maybe you trained chest the most before starting SS and didn't pay much attention to legs and deads. OR you aren't doing Max work with squats and deads...
    You know now that you bring it up, I've only been deadlifting for a month..and I had been neglecting to squat somewhat during the school year. That's probably why huh?

    Should I expect my ratios to eventually look more normal in given time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thzone1986 View Post
    You know now that you bring it up, I've only been deadlifting for a month..and I had been neglecting to squat somewhat during the school year. That's probably why huh?

    Should I expect my ratios to eventually look more normal in given time?
    I think that's the reason! And yeah, as ZenMonkey said, it will
    Lifts:

    Bench Press 60kg 5x5
    Squats 77,5 kg 5x5
    Deads 112,5kg 5x5
    BB Rows 80kg 5x5
    Overhead Pr. 40kg 5x5

    My training journal:
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMonkey View Post
    Dont worry about it... they will spread as you get stronger.
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    if you've been deadlifting a month, chances are you should be doing more than 135... But as long as you're adding weight to your workout this will even out. There is no way your bench press can keep up with your squat and deadlift. good luck training!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRider23 View Post
    if you've been deadlifting a month, chances are you should be doing more than 135...
    Yea... you do bring up a concern.

    OP:
    Hows your diet?

    Hows your form? -Check the bottom of the Texas Method for some form videos
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMonkey View Post
    Dont worry about it... they will spread as you get stronger.
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    yeah man ur still new to it, no one progresses at the same time, and this will happen over time just keep plugging away and keep lifting
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    A problem I notice with newbies and deadlifts is not putting enough weight on the bar. You'd be surprised at the amount of weight you can pull with good form.

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    If it makes you feel any better, I was at the same place, but everything was at 225.

    My squat form is crappy, so I have to go back down on that to make sure I'm getting it right....so now I'll probably have a 3x5 with 245 for bench, 1x5 with 285 with deadlift, and 3x5 with 185 on squat until I get the form perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gymjunkie View Post
    Deads should be strongest, then squats and then bench..
    That depends on your personal body mechanics. I know quite a few people who can squat A LOT more than they can deadlift.

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    for some its easier to push themselves and do closer to their max on the bench then on the squat/dead lift. It takes a lot of exertion the closer to your 1rm, maybe youre not doing as much as you could? maybe... i honestly have no idea.

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    I'm a novice but I bet it is due to your form on deadlift and squat.

    When I was in high school I couldn't squat for **** for a number of months. Then, at one point, my coach grilled me HARD on my form and got behind me yelling at me to get busy. That day I squatted more than 100 lbs. of what I had previously been barely lifting.

    Of course, what my coach was doing could be potentially injuring to some folks... however, it was my form that was off and my exertion level. I was lifting way too slow and not powering the lift coupled with poor form which could have ended up really bad.

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    Yes, when I first started, there was no way my Bench could keep up with anything else. Maybe wait, or as others said, check form?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTallOx View Post
    That depends on your personal body mechanics. I know quite a few people who can squat A LOT more than they can deadlift.
    With or without gear though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenFitness View Post
    I'm a novice but I bet it is due to your form on deadlift and squat.

    When I was in high school I couldn't squat for **** for a number of months. Then, at one point, my coach grilled me HARD on my form and got behind me yelling at me to get busy. That day I squatted more than 100 lbs. of what I had previously been barely lifting.

    Of course, what my coach was doing could be potentially injuring to some folks... however, it was my form that was off and my exertion level. I was lifting way too slow and not powering the lift coupled with poor form which could have ended up really bad.
    I agree. No matter what stage you are at in weight lifting, squats and deadlifts should not equal bench. Post videos of your form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTallOx View Post
    That depends on your personal body mechanics. I know quite a few people who can squat A LOT more than they can deadlift.
    But that is rare though! I wonder what mechanics are those..
    Lifts:

    Bench Press 60kg 5x5
    Squats 77,5 kg 5x5
    Deads 112,5kg 5x5
    BB Rows 80kg 5x5
    Overhead Pr. 40kg 5x5

    My training journal:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gymjunkie View Post
    But that is rare though! I wonder what mechanics are those..
    It's common when the lifter starts to squat over 700lbs. Most lifters can't hold on to that kind of weight.

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    My deadlifts a good bit more than both my bench and squat. My squat is a bit more than my bench. I have to agree that a lot of people underestimate what you can deadlift. I started out pretty light at first with SS, but now that I know what I can do, it's actually kind of amazing how much more I can deadlift. My squat lacks some form, and my arms have never been my strong point, so that probably explains the order. Which reminds me that I need to work on my squat form. zzzzzzz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Progress View Post
    It's common when the lifter starts to squat over 700lbs. Most lifters can't hold on to that kind of weight.
    With that much weight, no wonder...
    Lifts:

    Bench Press 60kg 5x5
    Squats 77,5 kg 5x5
    Deads 112,5kg 5x5
    BB Rows 80kg 5x5
    Overhead Pr. 40kg 5x5

    My training journal:
    http://www.wannabebig.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=125238

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