A quick question about protein

[RichMcGuire]

Referring to a bagel as a cheat food, a bagel is white flour, white flour is crap. I have never read anything from someone who's opinion I valued who said white flour was good.

Cutting is very person dependent. I know quite few guys who eat a crap diet, don't work out very hard and have full 6 packs. It's genetic. Now IMO people who are endomorphs need a lower carb diet to get lean because they don't have the proper insulin response and that's why they hold fat so well.

Why exactly do you think its crap? It has nutrients other foods don't. And how would someone not lose fat eating white food if they were in a caloriie deficit? Bagels don't defy thermodynamics. It sounds like you're just quoting internet gurus you've read. Saying "clean foods" is so grossly over simplified that it does not belong in nutrition.

[chevelle2291]

in b4 Alex.

[krazylarry]

Why exactly do you think its crap? It has nutrients other foods don't. And how would someone not lose fat eating white food if they were in a caloriie deficit? Bagels don't defy thermodynamics. It sounds like you're just quoting internet gurus you've read. Saying "clean foods" is so grossly over simplified that it does not belong in nutrition.

I've said before and I'll say it again. The human body needs protein and EFA. You could live off just those to things and be perfectly fine. Eskimos do, as well as people following the Palumbo diet, or velocity diet. The last 2 usually add in an antioxidant like Superfood, but I think that's just a marketing ploy.

As for white flour having nutrients it doesn't naturally. That's why if you look at the ingredients it says "vitamin enriched flour" because it doesn't even have vitamins in so they have to add it to it. So what you really have is 50 g of starch, little to no protein or EFA or vitamins. basically a handful of sugar, it just doesn't taste a good.

Of course you can loss weight while eating shit and being cal deficient. Remember the twinkie diet, he ate nothing but twinkies for a month at 1800 cals a day, and lost 20 pounds. Granted he had to have a protein shake and fish oil caps because the flour didn't provide him with the 2 things he needs to live. He lost weight, sure. But what kind of weight, did he drop fat and maintain muscle? Probably not. There is a huge difference between weight loss and fat loss.

Clean food is food you need, protein and EFA, the rest isn't. Unless you do a high cardio output sport, running, MMA, strongman, than you do need carbs because ketos are not efficient enough to provide energy when the demand is so high.

[RichMcGuire]

Clean food is a false term that has no worth whenn it comes to macronutrition. You can eat this so called unclean white food and still lose ffat and maintain muscle provided calories were right and you got enough protein. To think otherwise demonstrates a lack of understanding of the human body.

Food discrimination never follows logic..just an over simplification of what they don't really understand. By your white flour logic, protein whey should be avoided.

[krazylarry]

Clean food is a false term that has no worth whenn it comes to macronutrition. You can eat this so called unclean white food and still lose ffat and maintain muscle provided calories were right and you got enough protein. To think otherwise demonstrates a lack of understanding of the human body.

Food discrimination never follows logic..just an over simplification of what they don't really understand. By your white flour logic, protein whey should be avoided.

Did you even read what I wrote? The fact you equate whey and flour together suggests that you didn't.
Whey is great because it's high in protein, nutrient dense food.
Flour sucks because its nutrient devoid starch, which empty calories. Worse part is flour doesn't even taste good. You would be better off defending the doughnut, as least there you could say hey it tastes like awesome.

[RichMcGuire]

Did you even read what I wrote? The fact you equate whey and flour together suggests that you didn't.
Whey is great because it's high in protein, nutrient dense food.
Flour sucks because its nutrient devoid starch, which empty calories. Worse part is flour doesn't even taste good. You would be better off defending the doughnut, as least there you could say hey it tastes like awesome.

As for white flour having nutrients it doesn't naturally. That's why if you look at the ingredients it says "vitamin enriched flour" because it doesn't even have vitamins in so they have to add it to it.

Whey protein isnt natural either. So your reason for not liking white flour is void. As far as your waistline is concerned, it simply doesnt matter at the end of the day when you figure energy equilibrium and macro nutrition. To argue against that is kind of silly. Food discrimination belongs to obsessive people that obsess over illogical things.

[K-R-M]

Did you even read what I wrote? The fact you equate whey and flour together suggests that you didn't.
Whey is great because it's high in protein, nutrient dense food.
Flour sucks because its nutrient devoid starch, which empty calories. Worse part is flour doesn't even taste good. You would be better off defending the doughnut, as least there you could say hey it tastes like awesome.

I wouldn't say protein powder is a nutrient dense food, it's a processed and stripped down food. Flour taste awesome btw: hamburgers, tortillas, pancakes, bagels, meat pie, cake, you can make so many awesome things with it. Donuts are made of flour, another awesome food. Protein powder is one of the most boring foods. The vitamins added in flour probably refers to folate, due to its effects on preventing anencephalis (since almost everyone eats flour). I don't understands why people fight against some foods, there's no actual evidence for it and you're just making yourself miserable not eating what you like.

[krazylarry]

All those things are made of flour but they don't taste like flour, you like the other stuff in them. Hell even plain doughnuts taste like crap. Eat a big bowl of plain white flour and tell me how great it tastes.

[RichMcGuire]

I'm bowing out of this one. Its just getting too silly and off track.

Op- you can eat a bagel for breakfast and still maintain muscle/lose body fat. Everythiing else isn't worth arguing imho

[Behemoth]

Larry, is your last name Fanelli?

[Alex.V]

in b4 Alex.

I'm just sitting back on this one sipping my coffee, dipping my bagel in some protein powder.

The highlight so far was Larry saying that donuts taste like awesome. Which is so true.

[Cards]

Larry, is your last name Fanelli?

i lol'd at this

[RichMcGuire]

You would be better off defending the doughnut, as least there you could say hey it tastes like awesome.

Hell even plain doughnuts taste like crap. Eat a big bowl of plain white flour and tell me how great it tastes.

I lol'd at this. Now I don't know what to believe!!!!11!

[krazylarry]

Larry, is your last name Fanelli?

Nope.
I googled Larry Fanelli, and nothing came up, so I don't get joke.

[krazylarry]

I lol'd at this. Now I don't know what to believe!!!!11!

Believe in nothing, beliefs are hard to change, people kill for them, people get killed for them. Have an idea, ideas can change, you won't get killed for an idea. Unless its a billion dollar idea that I can steal. Hey sorry man, but have you seen the price of whey and doughnuts these days!? haha

But yeah old fashion doughnut aka plain, don't like pass. Every other kind of doughnut I've had, awesome. Ever have a red velvet doughnut? I'd eat ten pounds of bagels to have one right now...

[tom183]

Nope.
I googled Larry Fanelli, and nothing came up, so I don't get joke.

It's in reference to an old forum member, Dan Fanelli.

[yayeti]

what is the argument that low carbs is better than low fat for getting ultra lean?