Do We Still Need Carbs Or Are They Out Of Style?

**MIGHTY DOG** · 08-20-2002 04:21 PM

What's the 411 on carbs. Starches and sugars, do we need them. Since there have been alot of reports that carbs can induce fat, and that people are getting fat on carb overdose. Do we still need carbs and is there a way to get the energy we need in out diets without carbs, say from health fats? What's everybody's take on this?

**Manveet** · 08-20-2002 06:14 PM

read this

http://www.wannabebig.com/article.php?articleid=67

**Natural Animal** · 08-20-2002 07:48 PM

Eat your carbs man...this no carbs stuff is dangerous and just plain stupid.

**Franjipani** · 08-20-2002 08:14 PM

Originally posted by Natural Animal
Eat your carbs man...this no carbs stuff is dangerous and just plain stupid.

:withstupi

**BCC** · 08-20-2002 08:23 PM

Carbs!!!!? I sure as hell wouldn't be caught eating those!

**zwarrior99** · 08-20-2002 08:34 PM

Eat carbs!!!!!!! Just for dieting then Keto. But Carbs rock, I would rather take 200g of carbs than 200g of protein.

**PowerManDL** · 08-20-2002 08:36 PM

Carbs? Those are SO 1996, man.....get with the times.

**Feckless** · 08-20-2002 09:30 PM

Everybody done giving oh-so-humourous advice?

Here are links to a six-month study done by Duke on the very-low-carb diet.

This is the press release version.

And this is the abstract.

The complete article can be found in last month's edition (Volume 113) of the American Journal of Medicine.

I note in passing that the study only involved males. I also note that half the participants performed no exercise whatsoever while on the diet (though all participants were encouraged to exercise).

**YatesNightBlade** · 08-21-2002 02:32 AM

Carbs are good. Feed the machine bro.

**Paul Stagg** · 08-21-2002 06:20 AM

The human body can operate without dietary carbohydrates, and operate just fine, thank you.

It is NOT the best strategy to gain or maintain muscle mass.

CKDs and TKDs can be used very effectively by many people to drop bodyfat while maintaining muscle. They are NOT the same as the Adkins diet.

The long term health effects are not known, although there is no substantive data showing keto diets to be harmful.

**prof** · 08-21-2002 08:02 AM

whoa how about a straight answer

I'm eating a BFL style diet is this good or bad, i want to be 200lbs at 10% ish so are you saying get the same amount of calories from only meat and fat ???Help

**Puttn** · 08-21-2002 08:15 AM

i eat 45% cals from carbs 40% from protein 15% fat

**hemants** · 08-21-2002 08:51 AM

Your body cannot survive without glucose.

If you eat a low carb diet then your body will derive glucose from protein.

So in essence, there is no such thing as a carb free diet.

Thus, in short, you are better off focusing on eating the right types of carbs rather than cutting them completely (unless you are on a short term specialized diet as Paul Stagg mentioned).

If your job requires a brain, however, ketogenic diets are not very good as brain function is impaired from what I know.

**Natural Animal** · 08-22-2002 01:09 AM

I will also note:

Bullsh#@t aside...

my mate dropped a bar on himself after trying one of these ridiculous low carb diets.

dont eat carbs= not enuff energy to lift or concentrate lifting = dont get bigger = why bother???

**Feckless** · 08-22-2002 02:09 AM

Originally posted by hemants
Your body cannot survive without glucose.

If you eat a low carb diet then your body will derive glucose from protein.

So in essence, there is no such thing as a carb free diet.

My body can't survive without blood, too. Does that mean I'm screwed if my diet doesn't contain an adequate amount of blood?

A low-carb diet is one where the dieter consumes a restricted amount of dietary carbohydrates.

That there might be carbohydrates in your body doesn't have any bearing on the diet part of low-carb diet. It's a question of which macronutrients you're ingesting, and in what amounts. That doesn't have much to do with whether your body will derive glucose from protein.

**Shocker** · 08-22-2002 02:13 AM

without my carbs, i would mostly be worried about not being able to pooh any more.

**Kromax** · 08-22-2002 04:39 AM

Originally posted by Puttn
i eat 45% cals from carbs 40% from protein 15% fat

Those are my ratios as well.

**Tryska** · 08-22-2002 05:30 AM

i actually have more trouble poohing with a lot of carbs in my diet.

just thought i'd share.

as for whether you need carbs or not...yes you do need a few. not as much as the average person's diet has in it these days, but you do need some. even on a TKD/CKD, a certain amount of carbs is necessary to get the whole fat-burning process going.

as someone above mentioned the types of carbs you ingest are just as important as the amount of carbs you ingest.

**Wizard** · 08-22-2002 05:51 AM

Exactly

You have to find which is the ideal type of carb as well as the amount you ingest. Timing is also very important.

**hemants** · 08-22-2002 08:09 AM

"My body can't survive without blood, too. Does that mean I'm screwed if my diet doesn't contain an adequate amount of blood?

A low-carb diet is one where the dieter consumes a restricted amount of dietary carbohydrates.

That there might be carbohydrates in your body doesn't have any bearing on the diet part of low-carb diet. It's a question of which macronutrients you're ingesting, and in what amounts. That doesn't have much to do with whether your body will derive glucose from protein."

Not a very good analogy IMO.

The fact is if you are eating more than 1g of protein per pound of bodyweight, the excess will probably be converted into glucose by your body for fuel. This amounts to an expensive way to get your carbohydrates and at the expense of phytochemicals, vitamins, and fibre that ingested carbohydrates provide.

ie. you would have probably been better off ingesting carbohydrates in the first place.

FWIW - Fibre is the key to good poo

**BCC** · 08-23-2002 12:10 AM

Originally posted by Tryska
i actually have more trouble poohing with a lot of carbs in my diet.

just thought i'd share.

What is this you speak of? tuttut girls don't pooh, and I don't wanna think about "what if they did."

**ectx** · 08-23-2002 01:03 AM

Geez, thankz BCC, now I have a pretty nasty image burned in my head.

Anyhow, and anybody correct me if I'm wrong, but your brain can basically only use glucose. It is specific in it's energy source and in extreme cases of carbohydrate depletion where protein is broken down for energy (which is extremely metabolically taxing) it can run on ketone bodies, but this decreases mental accuity severely. At least that's what we were told in biochem. Then again, this was energy metabolism from a biotech perspective...although the guy who gave this lecture was one of the profs. responsible for figuring out the kreb cycle. Well, you nutrition folk probably know the answer to this, so please correct me if I'm wrong. What we learn in the lab can be very different from what happens in the real world.

**YatesNightBlade** · 08-23-2002 03:43 AM

Carbs are good.

**galileo** · 08-23-2002 07:09 AM

Originally posted by ectx
Anyhow, and anybody correct me if I'm wrong, but your brain can basically only use glucose.

Ketones.

**Puttn** · 08-23-2002 07:13 AM

if you get your carbs earlier in the day and post workout your better off as they are less likeley to turn to fat

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