New military draft?

**BadKarma** · 02-01-2003 12:21 PM

What do you prior military guys/gals think about this idea?

would show that the people stand behind any decision by the president to make war

WTF? When I was in the Army, I saw plenty of volunteers that didn't want to be there- I can imagine how a draftee will react.

heard plenty of horror stories from/about draftees before. That's not to say that the whole lot is bad, that's just usually what you get when you are forced to do something you don't want to do.

**Bam Bam** · 02-01-2003 12:26 PM

i would volunteer for the army only if we were at war and i had a great chance to see action. I think it would be an honor to serve for this great country and i think my make-up is perfect for wartime i only wish i was around in previous wars like the american revolution civil war WWII hell even the old med evil wars nothing better than man vs man axe vs sword

**JD77** · 02-01-2003 12:28 PM

I think a draft would suck. It should be used as a last resort only..IMO. But, I don't see much chance of it happening anytime soon.

**BadKarma** · 02-01-2003 12:40 PM

Originally posted by Bam Bam
i would volunteer for the army only if we were at war and i had a great chance to see action.

No offense, but..."seeing action" may not exactly be what the movies make it out to be. It's one thing to think that it is exciting while you are relatively safe and quite another when these little pieces of lead and copper fly by you.

**Bam Bam** · 02-01-2003 12:42 PM

lol its all good ive been shot before and my two friends were in the army and my 2 brothers miliatary also. i think i get the idea but thanks for your concern

**RisingPhoenix** · 02-01-2003 12:51 PM

speaking from the point of view of a ordinary civilian,

Won't make a difference to me.I've decided that I'm going to join the military after I get my degree.

But i wonder, is it really a good idea to expect every male to have the ability to succeed in the military? that too, against their will.

Also, wouldn't it just be better to have a trim, well equipped, funded, and trained military? Right now that takes alot of funding...
If we throw in thousands (?) more people, would it be possible to maintain the same standards, equipment, etc..etc..?

**kAiXuan** · 02-01-2003 12:51 PM

i dont forsee a draft happening any time soon, if we go to war most likely it wont happen for a while because tons of people like bammer will join up.
I hear canada is cool.

**GIS** · 02-01-2003 01:01 PM

I honestly don't know where I stand and I don't think the majority of people my age do either. The only major conflict we've seen (~25 and younger) has been the Gulf War, and that was hardly a war. Granted several of our servicemen were killed and I do not mean to take away from their sacrifice for the country, but in terms of war natural born Americans are clueless.

I don't think a draft is necessary. It's more important for the economy right now to have potential college students go to school and get degrees rather than take a year off. If something explodes (literally) in North Korea and the mideast is still in Chaos, I wouldn't be surprised if they did reinstate it.

**maverick** · 02-01-2003 01:04 PM

I would totally join up with the military in Canada ir there was a full blown war. Not something like attacking Afganistan, or the Gulf War, but something big.

I'm glad that Americans came to Canada to escape the draft during the Vietnam War. That was a useles waste of life, time, resources, and energy.

**Praetorian** · 02-01-2003 01:46 PM

man, here we have forced draft....but its cool!

**BadKarma** · 02-01-2003 06:36 PM

Originally posted by Bam Bam
nothing better than man vs man axe vs sword

I much prefer the tomahawk and knife

**Munky** · 02-01-2003 07:14 PM

i don't think i could kill another human being. maybe it would be different if they were trying to kill me though. its either kill or be killed.

**powerhalf** · 02-02-2003 12:37 AM

I can speak from only a US citizen's standpoint, but coming from a family that has military ties and knowing a lot about the military's politics (and the way wars are fought these days) I can honestly say the United States will never, EVER send 18 year old kids with rifles off to die in foreign countries. Modern war doesn't work that way.

**Raildog** · 02-02-2003 11:18 AM

I was in the infantry,(10th Mountain Division), from '89-92, and I feel lucky my unit wasn't sent to Panama(89), or Kuwait(90-91). Actually only 1 platoon from my company went to Kuwait to protect a reservist patriot missle group. What is strange is my unit did go to Bosnia, Somalia, and Afghanistan long after I got out.
Anyway after being a grunt I wouldn't want to see a draft unless the United States was invaded and another country occupied ours. I think I would volunteer then, even though I have a family now and in my 30's.

Raildog

**Berserker** · 02-02-2003 12:03 PM

Originally posted by GIS

I don't think a draft is necessary. It's more important for the economy right now to have potential college students go to school and get degrees rather than take a year off. If something explodes (literally) in North Korea and the mideast is still in Chaos, I wouldn't be surprised if they did reinstate it.

I don't think there will be a draft anytime soon.
GIS- Also don't know if I agree with you on need kids to go to school to help economy. Theres is alot of people unemployed right now. Kids going into the army for 2 years might be good for economy. Take pressure off older unemployed people with families and kids would be employed in the service. Though a couple years ago I read they were having problems finding enough techinical trained people. So that could go either way, military does have some good training programs.

**orbital** · 02-02-2003 02:25 PM

I don't believe anybody should be forced to enlist in the armed forces. Personally I would enlist if I felt it was a necessary cause such as WWII.

**beastin v6** · 02-02-2003 03:15 PM

Give me a .50 cal sniper rifle and we are talking!

**Praetorian** · 02-02-2003 03:17 PM

**NotSoBig** · 02-02-2003 06:03 PM

Originally posted by powerhalf
I can honestly say the United States will never, EVER send 18 year old kids with rifles off to die in foreign countries. Modern war doesn't work that way.

Would love to know where you get your information. There is a lot of guys being deployed as I type this, and many are 18-21

My brother in law is a 19 year old marine and hes being deployed in a week.

Never say never.

**powerhalf** · 02-02-2003 06:56 PM

Whoops, you're absolutely right, I should have qualified that statement. What I meant to say is that we'll never DRAFT them to go off and fight.

**NotSoBig** · 02-02-2003 07:15 PM

Ahh gotcha

Had i reread the thread title, I would have known thats what you meant.

**ElPietro** · 02-03-2003 07:10 AM

From a foreign viewpoint, foreign being canadian, I think I would be proud to "defend" my country if conflict arises...but one country who's army I would never wish to serve in would be the USA. The reason I say this, is because I would hate to be one of the millions of blue collar or middle class kids that get sent over to make rich fat guys, richer and fatter.

War seems trivial and more of an economic issue, than about defense or national security. I'm sure many wars or operations done by the US are just and I'd be proud to serve, but I also know that I would be ashamed of myself for going over and risking my life and causing my family grief to protect the interests of gas and oil companies, who's sons have 0% chance of fighting for while they drive around in their porches or ferraris.

**beastin v6** · 02-03-2003 03:01 PM

Originally posted by ElPietro
From a foreign viewpoint, foreign being canadian, I think I would be proud to "defend" my country if conflict arises...but one country who's army I would never wish to serve in would be the USA. The reason I say this, is because I would hate to be one of the millions of blue collar or middle class kids that get sent over to make rich fat guys, richer and fatter.

War seems trivial and more of an economic issue, than about defense or national security. I'm sure many wars or operations done by the US are just and I'd be proud to serve, but I also know that I would be ashamed of myself for going over and risking my life and causing my family grief to protect the interests of gas and oil companies, who's sons have 0% chance of fighting for while they drive around in their porches or ferraris.

Thats what I have been saying!

**BadKarma** · 02-04-2003 06:49 AM

War has always been a business. It's not just about oil companies' profits. We happen to use the gas that those companies sell, don't we? Their interests wind up being ours, too. If you don't believe me, and you use anything made from petroleum, stop using it for a few days. See if it doesn't affect your way of life.
As for the millions of blue collar or middle class kids getting sent over to make other people rich, yeah that happens when you are protecting American interests. Some of the blue collar and middle class people happen benefit from the gains of these companies through their investments.
I guess, all in all, the answer to my question is that, No we shouldn't have a draft. Not if we want a military of professionals.

**Berserker** · 02-04-2003 10:02 AM

Drafts suck. The alternative is to rely on people to do the right thing.

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