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Contrast training is a unique way to optimize results. Read this article by Lee Boyce about how to incorporate it into your training to pack on lean muscle mass.

By: Lee Boyce Added: March 25th, 2013
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    Help with the last 10lbs?

    I'm new to the forum and was hoping I could get some suggestions from the group....

    If I wanted to loose 10lbs as fast as possible, what would the best method be? Is it more effective to focus on cardio or my diet? Any suggestions would be appreciated!

    Thanks!
    Last edited by H3V; 07-06-2003 at 09:53 PM.

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    Post current diet and training routine, then we can help.
    "It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thought it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"

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    "Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."


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    Re: Help with the last 10lbs?

    Originally posted by H3V
    Is it more effective to focus on cardio or my diet?
    Both dude. Also, did you check out the HIIT sticky in the training forum? It's a pretty effective way to lose fat.
    You kill me in a dream, you better wake up and apologize....

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    It has only been over the last year that I have gotten serious about getting in shape. I have dropped from about 215 to 190 by using a low carb diet, but have been stuck in the 188-192 range for the last month or so.

    I still keep the carbs pretty low, but haven't been as strict. My diet may vary a bit on the weekends, but is pretty constant during the week.

    Breakfast: Usually either a Detour or MetRX bar. I know i should probably eat eggs, but I can't stand them I also have a multivitamin.

    Lunch: Usually some type of meat. It will vary between steak tips, grilled chicken breast, sliced turkey or sliced roast beef. Sometimes, if i forget my lunch, or am just sick of meat, I'll have another Detour Bar (I keep a box at my desk at work). It keeps me away from the vending machines.

    Dinner: Usually steak, chicken, or hamburg

    Post Workout: Myoplex Shake

    I know the diet is far from perfect, but it's a far cry from my old diet of pizza and fries.

    A few people in the forum have suggested that I'm not getting enough calories. I'm going to be paying close attention to my caloric intake this week.

    I have also been pretty strict with my lifting. I usually work out in a 4 day cycle. I have seen significant gains in my strength since I started taking this seriously. I try to go at night (after 8pm) when the gym is less crowded. I can usually do all of my sets in 30-45 min.

    Day 1: Chest and Triceps
    Day 2: Shoulders and Legs
    Day 3: Back and Biceps
    Day 4: Rest or Cardio

    In the last few weeks I have tried increasing my cardio, but am just getting frustrated with it. I'm thinking about trying HIIT this week.

    The main reason that I want to loose the last 10lbs is that I set myself a goal of 180. Once I hit that, I can reevaluate. I'm just trying to reduce my BF% now and then I can focus on bulking up.

    I was really happy with the progress that I was making, but hitting this wall has been very frustrating.

    I really appreciate all of your help.
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    Originally posted by H3V
    [B]Breakfast: Usually either a Detour or MetRX bar. I know i should probably eat eggs, but I can't stand them I also have a multivitamin.

    Lunch: Usually some type of meat. It will vary between steak tips, grilled chicken breast, sliced turkey or sliced roast beef. Sometimes, if i forget my lunch, or am just sick of meat, I'll have another Detour Bar (I keep a box at my desk at work). It keeps me away from the vending machines.

    Dinner: Usually steak, chicken, or hamburg

    Post Workout: Myoplex Shake
    As I mentioned earlier it looks as though you need more EFAs, and I would also throw in another meal after the post workout shake. You also might need to add some carbs to the Myoplex shake, but this would depend on the amount of carbs already contained in the shake.

    Something like cottage cheese and maybe a little fat of some sort would be a good choice before bed, since the cottage cheese contains slow digesting protein and the fat will help further slow digestion.

    A few people in the forum have suggested that I'm not getting enough calories. I'm going to be paying close attention to my caloric intake this week.
    I agree

    In the last few weeks I have tried increasing my cardio, but am just getting frustrated with it. I'm thinking about trying HIIT this week.
    Increasing cardio while continuing to drop calories is not always a good thing, and could lead to LBM losses. Another thing is that if you are below 15% bf you might need to try adding in a refeed or a day or two of eating at maintenance calories. This could also help in jumpstarting your metabolism so to speak, which could have been slowed down due to extended dieting.

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    Keep track of cals, you gotta figure out what your maintenace is. Once you get an idea of that, you can take away a couple hundred cals, and check for any changes on the scale. If you are losing about 1lb a week, continue. As soon as weight loss stalls, cut another 100-200cals...

    As bradley stated, once you get to a decent bf level, usually sub 15% you might want to try refeeds. (see sticky at top of these forums)

    As for cardio, use it when you absolutely have to. I would try to manipulate my diet before I do any cardio, but that's just me. Personally, I wouldn't use cardio until cutting cals becomes more difficult.
    "It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thought it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"

    Richard Dawkins


    "Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."


    Richard Dawkins


    "Bah. You know I hate poor people."

    Paul Stagg

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    Originally posted by H3V
    Breakfast: Usually either a Detour or MetRX bar
    IMO a bar is totally unacceptable for breakfast

    more fiber, and more clean food in the morning

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    Re: Help with the last 10lbs?

    Originally posted by H3V
    If I wanted to loose 10lbs as fast as possible
    Please don't. Lose about a pound a week, and you'll be able to keep most, if not all of your muscle. I did a very unstructured cut before I started lifting intelligently and I lost about 3 lbs a week for a month. My lifts all went down, and I still wasn't able to see my abs by the end. Guess what I was losing along with the fat!
    Last edited by Scott S; 07-07-2003 at 03:41 PM.

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