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Which individual do you feel has left their mark on this world as being the person who has inflicted the most amount of death and destruction to mankind, and why?
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the usual answers are hitler, stalin, pol pot, etc
Hitler, Milosevic, PolPot, Jim Jones (mass suicide at Jonestown), and President Harry Truman (A-Bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki).
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Jesus Christ.
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Belial beat me to it
A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. - Edward Abbey
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i was going to psot that as soon as I saw the topic, but was scared i may get banned.
Whoever the richest man in the world is at this point in time is the most evil person currently alive.
Probably some sort of political leader/figure.
"It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thought it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"
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"Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."
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how do you figure?Originally posted by WestyHeadbanger
Whoever the richest man in the world is at this point in time is the most evil person currently alive.
A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. - Edward Abbey
There is a wide difference between speaking to deceive, and being silent to be impenetrable. - Voltaire
If it can be imagined, it can be done. - Me
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Why Jesus Christ?
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One step above, Satan.Originally posted by RG570
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Stand there for a few minutes, then pace back and forth a lot, huff and puff, wait until everybody's looking. Approach the bar. Back off. Approach it again. Back off. Get some water. Chalk up. Approach the bar again. Then spray some more chalk around. Wait until people start losing interest. When nobody's looking, pick it a little off the floor, and slam it down. Jump up and yell "LIGHT WEIGHT BABY". Then give high fives all around. - Belial
In christian theology, Satan would be the most evil - but he is an angel, not a person.
I think that evil doesn't necessarily mean they have to inflict death and destruction. In theory, any given person can be the most evil person in history, as long as they recognize a set of moral laws to be honestly good and then wholeheartedly believe in the opposite.
I wouldn't agree with the Jesus Christ statement. Yes, the Catholic Church is responsible for a great deal of evil, but how much of it did Christ himself command people to do?
Is Mohammed personally responsible for Sep 11? For the suicide bombings happening now? Of course not.
In that case.
me.
"Except Belial. He knows everything. This isn't a sarcastic attack, either. He really knows everything." -----Organichu
"Alex is all knowing and perfect"-----Jane (loosely paraphrased)
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Scott:
Directly, I don't believe there's evidence on Hitler killing a single person by his own hands. We're talking about legacy.Originally posted by Maki Riddington
Which individual do you feel has left their mark on this world as being the person who has inflicted the most amount of death and destruction to mankind, and why?
"Except Belial. He knows everything. This isn't a sarcastic attack, either. He really knows everything." -----Organichu
"Alex is all knowing and perfect"-----Jane (loosely paraphrased)
-515/745/700 bench/deadlift/squat
Current mile time: 4:23
Marathons: 3
Century races: 3
Ironmans: 1
Ultramarathons: 1
Current supps: http://www.atlargenutrition.com/prod...covery/results
Belial: Couldn't you say the same for the original humans (because from them, there was a legacy of death?), Jesus's parents, or a hypothetical God (who set the whole thing up)? I mean, if you're going to be going off of chains of cause and effect leading to death, you could pick an almost arbitrary point in time and connect someone who hasn't killed or ordered killing to horrible acts.
Belial: I wasn't taking it so literally either. If followers of someone who commands peace and brotherly love commit evil acts, does that make the person evil? Say a Buddhist goes nuts tomorrow and blows up a church. Was the Buddha, then, an evil person?
What, you mean monkeys?Originally posted by EdgeCrusher
Belial: Couldn't you say the same for the original humans (because from them, there was a legacy of death?)
No, I'm talking about an individual whose legacy (intentionally or not) has led to two millenia of strife.
Last edited by Alex.V; 10-05-2003 at 12:19 AM.
"Except Belial. He knows everything. This isn't a sarcastic attack, either. He really knows everything." -----Organichu
"Alex is all knowing and perfect"-----Jane (loosely paraphrased)
-515/745/700 bench/deadlift/squat
Current mile time: 4:23
Marathons: 3
Century races: 3
Ironmans: 1
Ultramarathons: 1
Current supps: http://www.atlargenutrition.com/prod...covery/results
A. What is your definition of evil?Originally posted by Belial
What, you mean monkeys?
No, I'm talking about an individual whose legacy (intentionally or not) has led to two millenia of strife.
B. I don't see how a person can be held accountable in any reasonable arena for things that he had not done or preached in any way at all. If you go through the NT, Jesus doesn't preach holy war or anything of the sort. He was a pacifist who let himself be killed rather than lead a full scale rebellion. Now, I know there is the idea floating around that Jesus figured that by Martyring himself, the Jews would take it as a rallying cry to overthrow the Roman control in their towns, but I don't know of any historical statements from Jesus that he wanted this at all. If someone thought you were super awesome, started a religion about you, and then fought other groups in your honour/name, does that mean you are responsible or is it the people who are fueling these wars? If you want to use the Crusades as something Jesus caused, it would make more sense to point the finger at the religious leaders in Western Europe who decided to defend Constantinople against the Muslums by saying that anyone who fought would go to heaven regardless of past sins. If you want to use other wars, we could go into the history and find characters who use religion to help their political/economic causes.
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