"Red Staters"

[PowerManDL]

What's with this one?

Am I really going to have to put up with several months of bitching about how the majority of the country must be stupid drooling idiots because they didn't think Kerry was "da man"?

I could understand the snobbish elitism a lot more if the loser of the election had actually been a candidate worth fighting over...but frankly I have a really hard time thinking the streets would instantly be paved in gold and all our problems would have evaporated just because "our guy" got in office.

So what's the deal here? Have people become so polarized and blinded by dogma that reality just doesn't sink in? I mean, it seems the Kerry supporters, the so-called "Blue Staters" have become the monster they claim to hate so much.

Discuss.

Civilly.

[galileo]

Shut up, red stater.

[PowerManDL]

You're a whore.

[TBone4Eva]

I'll wait and defer to Tryska on this one .

[TBone4Eva]

Seriously, I think it's a change in culture. The culture in the country has been on the liberal side for over 50 years and I think it is now swinging back to the conservative side. Obviuosly, there are people out there who will want to resist this change. The ground roots of this movement are of course growing in the more conservative areas of the country, i.e. the Red States.

[VasDeferens]

Bush supporters are dumb, idiots, Church go-ers, ignorant...blah blah blah. Guess it will end when Bush wins again in 2008.

It takes a d1ck to f**k puss1es and a$$h0les, otherwise puss1es turn into a$$holes.

[TBone4Eva]

Wow, that's so insightful. I hope you mean Jeb Bush wins in '08 since our current president can't run in '08.

[VasDeferens]

oops, any repub

[galileo]

You're a whore.

A whore for democrats.

[galileo]

Bush supporters are dumb, idiots, Church go-ers, ignorant...blah blah blah. Guess it will end when Bush wins again in 2008.

You proved the dumb, idiotic, and ignorant part.

Unless Tzar Bush decides to increase the max terms in office.

[Y2A]

"You know they have a saying in Tennessee... well, its in Texas, probably in Tennessee too. It goes, fool me once, shame... shame on... you? Fool me... cant get fooled agin!!" - G.W. Bush

I dont think its so much that democrats beleive that Kerry is a genius and would fix all of our problems, but rather than G.W. is a dumb redneck (see above quote). Just a guess. I voted Kerry but Im not all pissed off about the election, its over, so support your country. Or move to Canada, apparently...

[PizDoff]

Hahaha I love American politics for entertainment value.
Even this Canadian knows Bush can't get a third term.

[JiggaHertz]

Seriously, I think it's a change in culture. The culture in the country has been on the liberal side for over 50 years and I think it is now swinging back to the conservative side. Obviuosly, there are people out there who will want to resist this change. The ground roots of this movement are of course growing in the more conservative areas of the country, i.e. the Red States.

I tend to agree with that

[Rock]

Y2A, did bush really say that?

[Rock]

sounds more like somebody misqouted him, I refuse to believe he actually said that, come on, thats media make believe left spin propaganda, nobody, no politician EVER, is that dumb.

[PowerManDL]

God almighty...I knew there was a disparity, but seeing a county-by-county breakdown makes it even moreso.

In essence, only people in cities voted for Kerry, with a few exceptions.

That's pretty telling, I think.

As far as Bush's intelligence-- the guy sucks as a public speaker. This much is given. But why exactly is everyone so keen to assume he's an idiot because of that? Lord knows if people judged my intelligence based on how I speak in front of people, they wouldn't think too much of me either.

[TBone4Eva]

Yep, he said it Rock. You really have to see the video though because when he gets to the shame part he grabs the podium kind of hard, then he gets a bewildered look on his face as he's trying to figure out how the saying goes.

[Rock]

PowermanDL, yes, but I assume you would manage to say this correct, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, and by reading your posts, you come across as a very intelligent person, and I also assume that you would talk in that matter also, ofcourse with the verbal shortcurts and slang and all that, but still. That saying, is very simple, its not politics at an high level, anyone could easily trip in his own words, but seldom with such a simple saying.

[Y2A]

Y2A, did bush really say that?

They play it constantly on a local radio show here, he definately said that. They have a game show called "words of wisdom by president Bush" where they play a clip of him saying something, and people call in to translate it into making sense.

Wanna try one?
"I do beleive, in the soverininity of the States..."

Which word did he say wrong and what was it supposed to be?

Powerman,
Good point, Im not much for public speaking either. IMO however, thats a basic requirement of a president. He represents America, and when he sounds like an idiot, thats what others will think of us... (till we bomb them).

[Rock]

TBone4eva, and the video is not fumbled with?, allright, I give, but I still have a hard time believing he said that saying wrong, he seems like an intelligent guy, and Ive read he has a very high IQ.

[galileo]

As far as Bush's intelligence-- the guy sucks as a public speaker. This much is given. But why exactly is everyone so keen to assume he's an idiot because of that? Lord knows if people judged my intelligence based on how I speak in front of people, they wouldn't think too much of me either.

Are you a figurehead for the country? No. Does the job of one require eloquence? YES.

[galileo]

I tend to agree with that

That, plus the exit polls show a telling tale about people.

Cities and heavily populated regions, people care about intelligence, foreign policy, and the world as a whole.

Back woods redneck towns, people care about guns, "fags", killing "towel heads" , and God.

This year's major points of focus were ****ing asinine. As a country are we really that concerned with these things?

[TBone4Eva]

God almighty...I knew there was a disparity, but seeing a county-by-county breakdown makes it even moreso.

In essence, only people in cities voted for Kerry, with a few exceptions.

That's pretty telling, I think.

As far as Bush's intelligence-- the guy sucks as a public speaker. This much is given. But why exactly is everyone so keen to assume he's an idiot because of that? Lord knows if people judged my intelligence based on how I speak in front of people, they wouldn't think too much of me either.

Yeah, it makes sense though. Keeping things in the right perspective is important though. Most of this country is still rural and Bush won that hands down. It's also the least populated so a lot of those red counties don't represent a lot of people.

As far as Bush's intelligence, I don't think he is an idiot, but if you are going to be leader you should be able to communicate effectively to those you govern. I mean, all that time he spent in ivory league school it sounds like he didn't take one speech course while he was there sometimes.

[shootermcgavin7]

I live in a "Red" State. While in some rural areas, I'm sure the average Bush voter was someone who drove from their Baptist church in a pickup truck with a rebel flag sticker on the back, I find it intriguing that anyone would use that steriotype to blanket-cover the entire spectrum.

Many of them, such as myself (who would likely be considered a libertarian due to my economic views) were pleasantly surprised that Bush actually had the balls to talk about creating an "ownership society", something that has been unpopular in the past. Whether had actually has the balls to push this through would be another thing, however.

Some people agreed with his unpopular foreign policy (which would have changed little if Kerry would have been elected, anyway).


What I find hilarious is the graphic showing the IQ variances between "Red" and "Blue" states. While this really means nothing to start with (one could just as easily throw up a graphic with the relative felony rates), it means even less because:

1) IQ tests are basically mathematically based puzzles and analogies, which to me do not translate into being able to view leadership abilities, and

2) These "low IQ" voters were never complained about when they were voting for Democrats for the past 70 years. What I have seen is that the Democrats are now taking the stance that anyone who voted for a Republican is ignorant, whereas they had taken the stance that they were fighting for the "common man" for decades before.


That rant out of the way, I despise politics and doubt that things would be much different if Kerry were elected.

[JiggaHertz]

That, plus the exit polls show a telling tale about people.

Cities and heavily populated regions, people care about intelligence, foreign policy, and the world as a whole.

Back woods redneck towns, people care about guns, "fags", killing "towel heads" , and God.

This year's major points of focus were ****ing asinine. As a country are we really that concerned with these things?

That may be a fair assumption at the 2 extremes, but I have a hard time taking any of the exit polls seriously, especially after what we saw this past election.