Drug Testing for Jobs, ng/ml

[JTyrell710]

Many people are required to take drug tests for their job.
i researched that the cutoff point for a certain drug is 200ng/ml (urine test)
Does anybody know to figure out how much of the drug is excreted in your urine per how much is in your body?
and if so, if someone has 15,000 ng in the body, how much per ml?
and 10,000?

i would be extremely appreciative if someone helped me out here, after much research i have not been able to find the answer.

btw 1 million nanograms (ng) in a miligram

[Dirt]

Really ambiguous post. You'd have to know the drug, how long ago you ingested it, when is the test, etc. No one will even have a clue when you provide those details either as everyone metabolizes drugs are varying rates. With only a small margin to work with, what narrowly passes someone could fail you and vice versa.

[ryuage]

:withstupi

when push comes to shove, if you are asking this kind of question you will fail already not knowing how much of whatever you did... clean your act up then look for another job, because I doubt you will get this one... heh

[manowar669]

I'm a medical technologist ("lab tech"), and we run occupational med. testing, including DOT drug screen, pre-employment and "just cause" urine drug screenings. Some drugs are fat soluble, some not. Fat soluble drugs generally stay in the system much longer than water soluble drugs. Some tests are not testing for the drug itself, but metabolites or by-products of the drug. Some drugs have a half-life, no matter what (time detectible in the body is always the same with very slight variations). There are other variables as well, such as bodyfat percentage, hydration levels, etc.
If you are looking for an answer to "how much pot can I smoke and still pass?", we'd need more info.......pothead.

[Holto]

Im amazed americans put up with this

employers can't do this in Canada

[ryuage]

do what, test for drugs?

[Teh BDK]

Put up with it? You're damn right I wouldn't want druggies selling cars or working on a forklift or stocking bottles of wine. I don't care if you do drugs but understand that a drug habit can disqualify you from traversing certain avenues.

[-sin-]

Put up with it? You're damn right I wouldn't want druggies selling cars or working on a forklift or stocking bottles of wine. I don't care if you do drugs but understand that a drug habit can disqualify you from traversing certain avenues.

I hear that. All of the druggies I've known are completely unreliable, lazy, and dishonest. If I was running a company I wouldn't want any of them in my ranks either.

[Dirt]

I hear that. All of the druggies I've known are completely unreliable, lazy, and dishonest. If I was running a company I wouldn't want any of them in my ranks either.

This is a pretty ignorant generalization. First of all, people are not discriminated against based on their alcohol and nicotine use which are both drugs as well. With your logic you shouldn't want a binge drinker or alcoholic working for you, nor a cigarette smoker who might be unproductive, sneaking cigarette breaks on company time. Second of all, you're referring only to a specific subset of drug users, ones that you know personally. I'm not going to make assumptions about you or the people you know, but I would wager I personally know an equivalent amount of successful drug users and degenerates. I think a large part of the problem is the general population is utterly ignorant of how prevalent drug use/abuse is. People think of a drug user as some street level heroin addict stealing what he can between scores. Many successful professionals (doctors, lawyers, etc.) have addictions that rival and surpass many street users, but you'd never know it because they have the income to support their habit. Also, choosing to use drugs doesn't make a person irresponsible, lazy or dishonest. An irresponsible, lazy or dishonest person can choose to use drugs just as easily as a responsible, motivated and honest person can.

[MrWebb78]

i am not 100% sure i would drug screen if i were a businessowner. i do not agree with recreational drug use, but i could be cutting myself off from people who could get the job done. what someone does in their own home is their business, as long as they showed up to work sober and did what was expected of them i wouldnt complain.

[Gyno Rhino]

I hear that. All of the druggies I've known are completely unreliable, lazy, and dishonest. If I was running a company I wouldn't want any of them in my ranks either.

You've never met me.

[JTyrell710]

You've never met me.

Does anybody know to figure out how much of the drug is excreted in your urine per how much is in your body?

^^ thats more what i was looking for
I took .5 mg of the drug, it has a half life of 10-20 hours
since i positive test is 200ng/ml
does anyone approx. know how much comes out in the urine if i have a bout 15,000-10,000 ng left in my body
(6 half lifes gone) ( i assumed my body metabolizes it around 10 hours)

[Teh BDK]

So, Dirt, you're saying that a business owner shouldn't be able to choose to hire non drug users over people who use drugs? Maybe I don't want to hire smokers or drinkers either. I don't care how ignorant it is; I should be able to run my business and hire to my own standards regarding drug or substance use.

[mrelwooddowd]

I know a lot of people that smoke pot, and are either productive, or uber-productive members of society. Personally, I think that lots of the other drugs are a bit too dangerous, but pot isn't one of them. There are a couple others, but I won't go into it. I didn't realize that so many people smoked it until it came up in conversation. I also realized that its less harmful than alcohol by far. You're much more under control from my observation, and I'd much rather have someone high on pot driving than someone who was drunk.

That being said, I wouldn't drug test either. If the habit is affecting a person, it'll show it soon enough and you can get rid of them quick. Some of the sharpest people I've met smoke.

[mrelwooddowd]

I forgot to mention, though that business owners DO have the right. Whether it's logical or not to be so, it's still illegal and the laws governing the hiring of employees are built around the laws governing the land. When the laws are changed, the hiring can change.

[-TIM-]

i am not 100% sure i would drug screen if i were a businessowner.

I work in Human Resources and I can tell you if I ever own my own business, drug screens will be manditory. I believe the percentage of on the job injuries in the U.S. that are due to impairment from drugs is right around 40%. This of course can cost businesses thousands, if not millions, of dollars recouping losses as a result. I wouldn't even mess with it if it were up to me. Can you imagine going to work and being hurt by a coworker who was strung out on something. Which could have been caught if the employer required drug screens of their employees.

[Dirt]

So, Dirt, you're saying that a business owner shouldn't be able to choose to hire non drug users over people who use drugs? Maybe I don't want to hire smokers or drinkers either. I don't care how ignorant it is; I should be able to run my business and hire to my own standards regarding drug or substance use.

I don't think it's anyone's business what a person does in their free time so long as they do the job well. A person is there to do a job, not conform to what the employer believes an appropriate lifestyle is.

[JTyrell710]

supposedly the focus of a business is to make money, someone with less distractions will make more money. making money, makes sense.

but if anyone has any info back to the thread topic that would be appreciated

[Dirt]

Does anybody know to figure out how much of the drug is excreted in your urine per how much is in your body?

^^ thats more what i was looking for
I took .5 mg of the drug, it has a half life of 10-20 hours
since i positive test is 200ng/ml
does anyone approx. know how much comes out in the urine if i have a bout 15,000-10,000 ng left in my body
(6 half lifes gone) ( i assumed my body metabolizes it around 10 hours)

Seriously, are you having a problem reading this thread or just ignoring what was said?. Once again, when was the test in relation to when you took the drug? Second of all, just say what the drug was, drop this mysterious BS and maybe someone can actually help you. Third, are you a regular user of this drug? Even when you answer those questions no one will be able to know for sure if you will pass. I'm presuming you took something very close to a drug test or are trying to figure out how soon before a drug test you can take a drug that you use frequently and still pass.

[JTyrell710]

i don't use the drug frequently, i took .5mg lorezapam (ativan) 60 hours prior to a drug test, half life is 10-20 hours, and if you knew the information i was asking, it seems as though you could answer the question from what i gave before.

[JTyrell710]

Seriously, are you having a problem reading this thread or just ignoring what was said?. Once again, when was the test in relation to when you took the drug? Second of all, just say what the drug was, drop this mysterious BS and maybe someone can actually help you. Third, are you a regular user of this drug? Even when you answer those questions no one will be able to know for sure if you will pass. I'm presuming you took something very close to a drug test or are trying to figure out how soon before a drug test you can take a drug that you use frequently and still pass.

and its not mysterious, i gave you the information that i had around 15,000 ng still in my body after six half lives-
30k 1 hf
60k 2.. etc.
120k
240k
480k=.48 ~.5MG

..now does anyone know about metabolizing benzodiapenes? if the information is that a halflife is 10 hours, its probably referring to a real halflife, and not just the fact that half is gone in 10 hours, and the other half will be gone in the next 10 hours..right?

i know that benzos are not in the standard 5 categories of drugs tested, but its was a 20$ court approved drug test, so i think there's a possibility that benzos could be tested for. I assume that a court drug test (no record of use in the past) is more intrusive than a job drug test (right?)

[Dirt]

i don't use the drug frequently, i took .5mg lorezapam (ativan) 60 hours prior to a drug test, half life is 10-20 hours, and if you knew the information i was asking, it seems as though you could answer the question from what i gave before.

Well, I wasn't trying to be a dick, but the type of drug matters a lot. There is more to consider than just the half-life of the drug. For instance the type of drug will dictate if theyre testing for some metabolite of it, etc. Anyway were you drinking when you took the Ativan? If not you'll probably pass the test presuming you have an "average" metabolism or higher.

[Dirt]

and its not mysterious, i gave you the information that i had around 15,000 ng still in my body after six half lives-

It is mysterious because you didn't name the drug. Drug excretion doesn't work precisely like a math equation.

[JTyrell710]

Well, I wasn't trying to be a dick, but the type of drug matters a lot. There is more to consider than just the half-life of the drug. For instance the type of drug will dictate if theyre testing for some metabolite of it, etc. Anyway were you drinking when you took the Ativan? If not you'll probably pass the test presuming you have an "average" metabolism or higher.

no i wasn't drinking, and yea i think benzo's are tested by metabolites-
thank you very much for your opinion, but if i may ask- what factors lead you to think i will pass the test?

[Dirt]

no i wasn't drinking, and yea i think benzo's are tested by metabolites-
thank you very much for your opinion, but if i may ask- what factors lead you to think i will pass the test?

One time use of a low dose of Ativan in a physically active person means you're already in the best scenario you can be in your situation (other than not having done drugs). It's just an educated guess of course based on the drug and timeframe.

Edit - Also, short acting benzos don't really stick around all that long unless you take them regularly.